Re: DIS: Re: BUS: RE: [Scorekeepor] Contestmaster awards

2009-03-09 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Mon, 9 Mar 2009, Kerim Aydin wrote: > (To stop the above from devolving to further absurdity, it's better to > assume that actively publishing nothing is legally treated as not doiong > anything; i.e. not performing). -Goethe G: "You can't 'not be' on a boat." R: "I've frequently not been

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: RE: [Scorekeepor] Contestmaster awards

2009-03-09 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Mon, 9 Mar 2009, Alex Smith wrote: > On Mon, 2009-03-09 at 15:15 -0700, Kerim Aydin wrote: >> On Mon, 9 Mar 2009, Alex Smith wrote: >>> On Mon, 2009-03-09 at 16:13 -0400, comex wrote: In my opinion, if it had said "all duties", ais523's argument would be valid; as it is, I think the b

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: RE: [Scorekeepor] Contestmaster awards

2009-03-09 Thread Alex Smith
On Mon, 2009-03-09 at 15:15 -0700, Kerim Aydin wrote: > On Mon, 9 Mar 2009, Alex Smith wrote: > > On Mon, 2009-03-09 at 16:13 -0400, comex wrote: > >> In my opinion, if it had said "all duties", ais523's argument would be > >> valid; as it is, I think the best interpretation (considering that 'in >

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: RE: [Scorekeepor] Contestmaster awards

2009-03-09 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Mon, 9 Mar 2009, Alex Smith wrote: > On Mon, 2009-03-09 at 16:13 -0400, comex wrote: >> In my opinion, if it had said "all duties", ais523's argument would be >> valid; as it is, I think the best interpretation (considering that 'in >> a timely manner' is located at the end and vaguely defined)

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: RE: [Scorekeepor] Contestmaster awards

2009-03-09 Thread Alex Smith
On Mon, 2009-03-09 at 16:13 -0400, comex wrote: > In my opinion, if it had said "all duties", ais523's argument would be > valid; as it is, I think the best interpretation (considering that 'in > a timely manner' is located at the end and vaguely defined) is that > the contestmaster is merely requi

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: RE: [Scorekeepor] Contestmaster awards

2009-03-09 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Mon, 9 Mar 2009, comex wrote: > On Mon, Mar 9, 2009 at 1:49 PM, Kerim Aydin wrote: >> Gratuitous response: >> >> The text of Rule 2234 is "performed duties related to the contest in a timely >> manner".  There are two ways to read this.  The first (which ais523 argues >> for) is that "if the c

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: RE: [Scorekeepor] Contestmaster awards

2009-03-09 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Mon, 9 Mar 2009, comex wrote: > On Mon, Mar 9, 2009 at 4:04 PM, Kerim Aydin wrote: >> Ah, this helps.  It answers ais523's CFJ as well, perhaps.  Judge Woggle >> said that a "SHALL", once the time limit has passed, becomes an "open-ended >> obligation".  Which means that if (a) the Officer

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: RE: [Scorekeepor] Contestmaster awards

2009-03-09 Thread comex
On Mon, Mar 9, 2009 at 4:04 PM, Kerim Aydin wrote: > Ah, this helps.  It answers ais523's CFJ as well, perhaps.  Judge Woggle > said that a "SHALL", once the time limit has passed, becomes an "open-ended > obligation".  Which means that if (a) the Officer doesn't do it on time > and (b) the Deputy

DIS: Re: BUS: RE: [Scorekeepor] Contestmaster awards

2009-03-09 Thread comex
On Mon, Mar 9, 2009 at 1:49 PM, Kerim Aydin wrote: > Gratuitous response: > > The text of Rule 2234 is "performed duties related to the contest in a timely > manner".  There are two ways to read this.  The first (which ais523 argues > for) is that "if the contest currently mandates no duties, then

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: RE: [Scorekeepor] Contestmaster awards

2009-03-09 Thread Ed Murphy
Goethe wrote: > Ok, it may be more broken than that. Recent CFJs have held that a breach > of the rules related to missing a time limit occurs at the moment a time > limit is passed. Once that time limit is passed, if the officer does the > job anyway (late), e still has broken the rule. >

DIS: Re: BUS: RE: [Scorekeepor] Contestmaster awards

2009-03-09 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Mon, 9 Mar 2009, Alex Smith wrote: > There's another unrelated point to consider here, which might be invoked > in this situation (which is almost certainly a scam and/or bug that > needs fixing, but still needs CfJing on). I call for judgement on the > statement "If an officer violates a time

DIS: Re: BUS: RE: [Scorekeepor] Contestmaster awards

2009-03-09 Thread Alex Smith
On Mon, 2009-03-09 at 10:49 -0700, Kerim Aydin wrote: > Gratuitous response: > > The text of Rule 2234 is "performed duties related to the contest in a timely > manner". There are two ways to read this. The first (which ais523 argues > for) is that "if the contest currently mandates no dutie