Re: DIS: Re: ***UNCHECKED*** BUS: Proposal: Attempt at Making Regulations useful

2017-10-11 Thread Alex Smith
On Thu, 2017-10-12 at 17:31 +1100, VJ Rada wrote: > There are some places we should have regulations though. For example: > the referee should 100% be allowed to promulgate regulations around > which cards are appropriate for what infractions. Can't e simply determine Cards unilaterally as it is?

Re: DIS: Re: ***UNCHECKED*** BUS: Proposal: Attempt at Making Regulations useful

2017-10-11 Thread Aris Merchant
I generally agree with ais523. This proposal is terrifying. I know I wrote Regulations, but I put several procedural safeguards in place to make them pretty safe. I made the default standard for regulations "without 2 objections, or with Agoran consent" because this allows officers a fair amount o

Re: DIS: Re: ***UNCHECKED*** BUS: Proposal: A way to give agora some money

2017-10-11 Thread VJ Rada
It did not. On Thu, Oct 12, 2017 at 3:04 PM, Gaelan Steele wrote: > Did Not So Cuddly Now pass? > > Gaelan > >> On Oct 11, 2017, at 2:10 AM, VJ Rada wrote: >> >> Prompted by the fact that there are people y'all won't let me >> deregister sittin' on welcome packages, I create and pend this with 1

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Arbitor] CFJ 3572 assigned to o

2017-10-11 Thread VJ Rada
I agree with Ørjan, "a clear designation of intent" clearly only applies to emails sent to all players, and you misquoted it. It's "clear designation of intent TO BE PUBLIC". On Thu, Oct 12, 2017 at 2:09 PM, Ørjan Johansen wrote: >> While the rules do not specifically define “an announcement of

Re: DIS: Re: ***UNCHECKED*** BUS: Proposal: Attempt at Making Regulations useful

2017-10-11 Thread Alex Smith
On Wed, 2017-10-11 at 21:06 -0700, Gaelan Steele wrote: > I’d add some “strong” security mechanism (some dependent action, > probably) instead of just the “reasonable” restriction (which would > require a CFJ while the game state becomes even more ambiguous due to > the maybe-existent regulation)

DIS: Re: ***UNCHECKED*** BUS: Proposal: Attempt at Making Regulations useful

2017-10-11 Thread Gaelan Steele
I’d add some “strong” security mechanism (some dependent action, probably) instead of just the “reasonable” restriction (which would require a CFJ while the game state becomes even more ambiguous due to the maybe-existent regulation) Gaelan > On Oct 11, 2017, at 2:38 AM, VJ Rada wrote: > > I

DIS: Re: ***UNCHECKED*** BUS: Proposal: A way to give agora some money

2017-10-11 Thread Gaelan Steele
Did Not So Cuddly Now pass? Gaelan > On Oct 11, 2017, at 2:10 AM, VJ Rada wrote: > > Prompted by the fact that there are people y'all won't let me > deregister sittin' on welcome packages, I create and pend this with 1 > shiny, which I donate to charity. > > Title: Consumerism > Author: V.J. R

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Secretary] Weekly Report (revision 2)

2017-10-11 Thread Owen Jacobson
> On Oct 11, 2017, at 11:19 PM, Ørjan Johansen wrote: > > On Wed, 11 Oct 2017, Owen Jacobson wrote: > >> On Oct 11, 2017, at 12:17 AM, Owen Jacobson wrote: >> >>> As Secretary, I flip the Floating Value to 20. >> >> On Oct 11, 2017, at 12:29 AM, Owen Jacobson wrote: >> >>> As Secretary, I

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Secretary] Weekly Report (revision 2)

2017-10-11 Thread Ørjan Johansen
On Wed, 11 Oct 2017, Owen Jacobson wrote: On Oct 11, 2017, at 12:17 AM, Owen Jacobson wrote: As Secretary, I flip the Floating Value to 20. On Oct 11, 2017, at 12:29 AM, Owen Jacobson wrote: As Secretary, I flip the Floating Value to 22. On Oct 11, 2017, at 12:54 AM, Owen Jacobson wro

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Arbitor] CFJ 3572 assigned to o

2017-10-11 Thread Ørjan Johansen
While the rules do not specifically define “an announcement of intent”, rule 478 (“Fora”) defines what it means to announce something: A public message is a message sent via a public forum, or sent to all players and containing a clear designation of intent to be public. A rule can also design

DIS: Ruleset typo on the website (ATTN: Rulekeepor)

2017-10-11 Thread Alexis Hunt
On the website, in Rule 2231, a space is missing between "in general." and "As this".

DIS: Re: BUS: Reconsidered judgment on CFJ 3569

2017-10-11 Thread Alexis Hunt
On Wed, 11 Oct 2017 at 18:16 Alex Smith wrote: > Gratuitous: mathematically, "A is equivalent to B" means the same thing > as "B is equivalent to A", but I'm not at all convinced that the > mathematical wording was meant in this case. The intended meaning to me > seems closer to "A should be trea

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Reconsidered judgment on CFJ 3569

2017-10-11 Thread VJ Rada
As always, yeah. On Thu, Oct 12, 2017 at 9:32 AM, Alexis Hunt wrote: > No, only gain. You can specify youself to lose. > > On Wed, 11 Oct 2017 at 18:27 VJ Rada wrote: >> >> You cannot do this. Notices of Honour must specify an "other" player >> to lose and gain karma. >> >> On Thu, Oct 12, 2017

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Reconsidered judgment on CFJ 3569

2017-10-11 Thread Alexis Hunt
No, only gain. You can specify youself to lose. On Wed, 11 Oct 2017 at 18:27 VJ Rada wrote: > You cannot do this. Notices of Honour must specify an "other" player > to lose and gain karma. > > On Thu, Oct 12, 2017 at 9:08 AM, Alexis Hunt wrote: > > On Wed, 11 Oct 2017 at 17:40 Alexis Hunt wrot

DIS: Re: BUS: Reconsidered judgment on CFJ 3569

2017-10-11 Thread VJ Rada
You cannot do this. Notices of Honour must specify an "other" player to lose and gain karma. On Thu, Oct 12, 2017 at 9:08 AM, Alexis Hunt wrote: > On Wed, 11 Oct 2017 at 17:40 Alexis Hunt wrote: >> >> I submit the following thesis, entitled "On Conditional Votes and Trust >> Tokens": > > > I sub

DIS: Re: BUS: Reconsidered judgment on CFJ 3569

2017-10-11 Thread VJ Rada
Thanks for this. I have an election to resolve in 9 hours or so and this does help quite a bit. On Thu, Oct 12, 2017 at 8:40 AM, Alexis Hunt wrote: > I submit the following thesis, entitled "On Conditional Votes and Trust > Tokens": > > TL;DR (aka abstract): Conditional votes work, but with two c

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: stamping and proposal

2017-10-11 Thread VJ Rada
I don't. On Thu, Oct 12, 2017 at 8:10 AM, Aris Merchant wrote: > There is no such EO. The Promotor Executive Order, Maifesto, allows you to > distribute a proposal (Rule 2451). I'd slightly prefer you don't, as it > makes more paperwork for me, but if you really want to go ahead. > > -Aris > > On

DIS: Re: BUS: stamping and proposal

2017-10-11 Thread Aris Merchant
There is no such EO. The Promotor Executive Order, Maifesto, allows you to distribute a proposal (Rule 2451). I'd slightly prefer you don't, as it makes more paperwork for me, but if you really want to go ahead. -Aris On Wed, Oct 11, 2017 at 2:04 PM VJ Rada wrote: > Darn it, if I only have one

DIS: Re: BUS: stamping and proposal

2017-10-11 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Wed, 11 Oct 2017, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus wrote: > I transfer the stamp value in shinies to Agora, to create a stamp, in my > possession. I would be happy to pend this. Thanks! I'm happy to too I was just waiting a day or so for any comments.

DIS: Re: BUS: [Proposal] Faster Auctions

2017-10-11 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Wed, 11 Oct 2017, Owen Jacobson wrote: > It turns out that once a month is far too slow: Estates have been sitting in > Agora’s hands since the Estates proposal was passed, and there’s been a grand > total of _one_ secondary-market transaction including an Estate since the > proposal was e

DIS: Re: BUS: [Surveyor] October Estate Auction

2017-10-11 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Tue, 10 Oct 2017, Owen Jacobson wrote: > > As is my custom, I pledge as follows: > > > > * If there is exactly one winning bid, and if that bid includes a blurb > > describing the region of Dawsbergen, of at least 70 words, > > I will include that blurb in at least one future Surveyor’s rep

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Reward

2017-10-11 Thread Aris Merchant
On Tue, Oct 10, 2017 at 7:11 PM, Owen Jacobson wrote: > On Oct 9, 2017, at 12:03 AM, Aris Merchant > wrote: > >> I claim a reward of 7 shinies for publishing the Promotor's report. I >> pay 2 shinies to the Community Chest, and 2 to Agora. > > I can’t figure this out. How did you arrive at 7 sh.

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Distribution of Proposals 7908-7921

2017-10-11 Thread Alexis Hunt
On Tue, Oct 10, 2017, 21:58 Owen Jacobson, wrote: > > > 7920* Gaelan, Aris 1.0 The Lint Screen v2 Gaelan 1 sh. > > PRESENT. I suspect this is impractical, per Alexis’ overarching complaints > about platonic outcomes from subjective judgements. A refund mechanism for > linty prop

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Secretary] Weekly Report (revision 2)

2017-10-11 Thread VJ Rada
No it wasn't: you might have missed the secretary's revision last week, which came a couple of days after eir first report. On Wed, Oct 11, 2017 at 9:18 PM, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus wrote: > CoE: The previous floating value was 132 and V.J. Rada paid 26 shinies for > eir stamp. > > > On 10

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Secretary] Weekly Report

2017-10-11 Thread Publius Scribonius Scholasticus
When you purchased this, the floating value was still 132. On 10/11/2017 12:21 AM, VJ Rada wrote: I buy a stamp. On Wed, Oct 11, 2017 at 3:17 PM, Owen Jacobson wrote: As Secretary, I flip the Floating Value to 20. Secretary's Weekly Report Date of this report: Wed, 11 Oct 2017 Date of last

Re: DIS: Draft: Crime Improvements v2

2017-10-11 Thread VJ Rada
If you're looking for an easy scam, I have just the agency for you... On Wed, Oct 11, 2017 at 6:57 PM, Cuddle Beam wrote: > *gasps for air* > > random message to keep self alive > > On Wed, Oct 11, 2017 at 7:42 AM, Alex Smith > wrote: >> >> On Wed, 2017-10-11 at 01:11 -0400, Owen Jacobson wrote:

Re: DIS: Draft: Crime Improvements v2

2017-10-11 Thread Cuddle Beam
*gasps for air* random message to keep self alive On Wed, Oct 11, 2017 at 7:42 AM, Alex Smith wrote: > On Wed, 2017-10-11 at 01:11 -0400, Owen Jacobson wrote: > > I gave up trying to decompose “breaking a pledge” for rules - they’re > > fundamentally subjective things, and trying to give them p

Re: Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Arbitor] CFJ 3572 assigned to o

2017-10-11 Thread Gaelan Steele
I know. I’ll bother dad tomorrow. :) Gaelan > On Oct 10, 2017, at 11:03 PM, Owen Jacobson wrote: > > >> On Oct 11, 2017, at 1:58 AM, Gaelan Steele wrote: >> >> Mostly a happy accident, I guess. I don’t think there’s much of a benefit to >> sneakily doing other actions; I guess if I had a gr