Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Zombie CFJs and Finger pointing

2018-04-19 Thread Corona
​Perhaps the finger pointing rule should​ be rewritten to start the time limit when the legality status of the action first becomes ILLEGAL, so that there is always enough time to point a finger. Anyways, even if the Referee decides to levy a fine on me, this is like the smallest offense

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Zombie CFJs and Finger pointing

2018-04-19 Thread Aris Merchant
At the time when they placed the bid, because the rule is phrased as happening at that time but depending upon future information. That's the one thing I can think of which isn't great, and why I said _significantly_ worse. -Aris On Thu, Apr 19, 2018 at 10:08 PM Kerim Aydin

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Zombie CFJs and Finger pointing

2018-04-19 Thread Kerim Aydin
For the purposes of the 14-day limit on finger pointing, when does the violation occur? On Fri, 20 Apr 2018, Aris Merchant wrote: > Your argument about the definition is complelling in light of the general > interpretive factors at play. On the merits I think I still disagree > (though that

DIS: Re: BUS: Zombie CFJs and Finger pointing

2018-04-19 Thread Aris Merchant
Your argument about the definition is complelling in light of the general interpretive factors at play. On the merits I think I still disagree (though that may just be me being stubborn), but common sense and the interests of the game are clear. On the future conditional, I disagree. The

Re: DIS: Proto: More Advanced Land Features

2018-04-19 Thread Reuben Staley
I am going to pend this with paper in 24 hours if no one points out something to fix. CHANGES: - Removed Purple land - Fixed awkward wording Title: Q*Bert the Second AI: 2 Author: Trigon Co-authors: G., Corona Amend rule 1995 "Land Types" by doing the following: Replacing the first

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Zombie CFJs and Finger pointing

2018-04-19 Thread Aris Merchant
Counterargument (ignore this one, it probably doesn't work): when Quazie placed a bid, e essentially stated that "I will have sufficient money to pay at the end of the voting period. Really. I promise." This is part of the common language definition of what it means to bid. However, since bidding

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Zombie CFJs and Finger pointing

2018-04-19 Thread Kerim Aydin
Fair enough. Though we've used that before with no big crises. If someone feels like proposing a change, the alternative should be that crimes by zombies transfer punishment to their masters (which we've also done before). On Fri, 20 Apr 2018, Ned Strange wrote: > Exactly, nothing should

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Zombie CFJs and Finger pointing

2018-04-19 Thread Ned Strange
Exactly, nothing should automatically prohibit illegal actions. On Fri, Apr 20, 2018 at 10:17 AM, Ørjan Johansen wrote: > On Thu, 19 Apr 2018, Kerim Aydin wrote: > >> At least that was the direct and specific intent when I wrote it - I >> intended >> illegal actions on behalf

DIS: Re: BUS: Zombie CFJs and Finger pointing

2018-04-19 Thread Ørjan Johansen
On Thu, 19 Apr 2018, Kerim Aydin wrote: At least that was the direct and specific intent when I wrote it - I intended illegal actions on behalf of zombies to fail because they weren't "allowed", therefore blocking the CAN in R2466. Intent doesn't always mean much, and I can see that the link

DIS: Re: BUS: Zombie CFJs and Finger pointing

2018-04-19 Thread Corona
Indeed: 1} It is only ILLEGAL to *place* unpayable bids, not to hold them. 2) At the point in time when I (well, Quazie) was placing the bid, the conditional that determines the illegality was INEXTRICABLE. Only when the auction ended did the conditional became TRUE and the action *became*

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Cartographor] Land Auctions for April week 2, part 2

2018-04-19 Thread Kerim Aydin
I thought we had that patched in the definition of "spend", but looks like "spend" is no longer a defined thing? On Wed, 18 Apr 2018, Aris Merchant wrote: > True. We should probably add that to a general disambiguation rule. > Seems to pop up a lot. > > -Aris > > On Wed, Apr 18, 2018 at 10:26

Re: DIS: Vote for me!

2018-04-19 Thread ATMunn
I don't even use Gmail anyway. My email address is Gmail, but my client is Thunderbird. On 4/18/2018 10:02 PM, Ørjan Johansen wrote: On Mon, 16 Apr 2018, ATMunn wrote: Also, are my messages showing up for everyone else as not being wrapped? When I'm typing, the message shows up as being