DIS: Re: BUS: Apathy

2018-12-06 Thread ais...@alumni.bham.ac.uk
On Thu, 2018-12-06 at 15:42 -0800, Kerim Aydin wrote:
> 
> After that last batch of cheap wins, the Herald frowns menacingly...

I'm still pretty surprised that nobody's actually objected.

The name "Apathy" was intended more to be a mnemonic for the victory
method, than an actual suggestion as to how it might be achieved...

-- 
ais523



Re: DIS: [Proto-proposal] Agora can into space

2018-12-06 Thread Timon Walshe-Grey
On Sunday, December 2, 2018 6:26 PM, Gaelan Steele  wrote:

> > If there is ever a Sector with an ID number higher than the total
> > number of Sectors, then the Astronomor CAN and SHALL, by
> > announcement, alter that Sector's ID number to a different valid
> > value equal to or less than the total number of Sectors.
>
> This could be abused by the Astronomor to “teleport.” For instance, if 
> someone deregisters and the astronomer was in the highest sector, they could 
> intentionally destroy a low sector and renumber their sector to quickly get 
> across the galaxy. But maybe this is within the realm of “legal office abuse."

Yes, this did occur to me, but I couldn't think of any better way to do it. 
Anyone got any ideas?


> > For the Astronomor to allow a continuous period of 7 days to pass
> > in which any of the above actions is POSSIBLE is the Class-3 Crime
> > of Galaxy Neglect.
>
> This could be shortened to “Violation of this rule is the Class-3 Crime of 
> Galaxy Neglect."

The previous clauses don't specify any deadline for the actions to be completed 
by, though. This is because if each one was _individually_ to be done "in a 
timely fashion", it would be possible to remove an empty sector, and then leave 
a full 7 days before renumbering an existing one to fill the gap, which would 
be very disruptive. I don't disagree this is phrased a little clunkily, but I 
don't see a way around it.


> > At the start of each Agoran day, each Pilotable Spaceship gains 2
> > Energy. Any player also CAN, by announcement, pay 2 coins to grant
> > a Pilotable Spaceship e owns 1 Energy.
>
> Is “grant” defined?

Yes, by rule 2577.


> > Two players are "allied" if they agree to be allied or if one is
> > the master of the other; otherwise they are "opponents". For the
> > purposes of this rule, agreement includes both consent and
> > agreement specified by contract.
>
> Given our current case law, I think “Hey, you wanna be allies?” “Sure” would 
> count as a contract, so we could remove the “consent” bit

Perhaps, but I would rather have it be as explicitly defined as possible. This 
phrasing is lifted directly from the rules for agreement to a contract's 
modification, so it is battle-tested. So to speak.


> > Enact a new rule entitled "Initiate Warp Drive", with power 1.0 and
> > the following text:
> > {
> > The Astronomor CAN, by announcement, create a Spaceship in the
> > possession of any player who does not own one.
> > The Astronomor CAN, by announcement, repeal this Rule, and SHALL
> > do so in a timely fashion after its enactment.
> > }
>
> Any reason the proposal can’t just do this itself?

Yes, the Sectors will not have been created yet at the time the proposal 
passes, so the spaceships' locations would be indeterminate.

> Also, the Astronomor has to repeal the rule, but they don’t have to create 
> the spaceships.

Oh, good point. Not sure how I missed that.

-twg


DIS: Re: BUS: Apathy

2018-12-06 Thread Jacob Arduino
I'm apathetic

On Thu, Dec 6, 2018 at 10:33 AM Gaelan Steele  wrote:

> I’m apathetic, at least for now.
>
> Gaelan
>
> > On Dec 6, 2018, at 7:13 AM, D. Margaux  wrote:
> >
> > Things have been pretty quiet this week. Some might say apathetic.
> >
> > I intend without objection to declare apathy specifying all players who,
> between now and the time of declaration, have sent a public message that
> includes the phrase, “I’m apathetic.”
> >
> > I’m apathetic.
>
>