Re: BUS: Fwd: DIS: [Promotor] Draft

2019-07-14 Thread Aris Merchant
Just a heads up to everyone: I’m traveling at the moment, so the report will be delayed. I was hoping to finish it up quickly today, but I had less time than I thought I would and people keep creating tons of uproposals. So, I’ll try to get it out as soon as I can, but that may take a bit. -Aris

DIS: Non-explicit numeric values

2019-07-14 Thread Jason Cobb
I'm just curious on whether or not my reading of the Rules is correct here. If I was to submit a proposal and specify the AI as something that needs to be evaluated, say "the power of [some Rule]", then that is evaluated at the time of me submitting the proposal, right? If that's the case,

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Rulekeepor] Full Logical Ruleset: July 2019

2019-07-14 Thread ais...@alumni.bham.ac.uk
On Sun, 2019-07-14 at 20:23 -0600, Reuben Staley wrote: > I have investigated the history of the rule. Rule 2517 was repealed by > Proposal 8054 on 23 June 2018. Since that is the case, it should have > been removed from the ruleset; however, it was not. Since then, it has > been discussed once

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Rulekeepor] Full Logical Ruleset: July 2019

2019-07-14 Thread Reuben Staley
I have investigated the history of the rule. Rule 2517 was repealed by Proposal 8054 on 23 June 2018. Since that is the case, it should have been removed from the ruleset; however, it was not. Since then, it has been discussed once or twice despite not actually being in effect, notably in the

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Thesis submission: A dream within a dream within a dream

2019-07-14 Thread Kerim Aydin
On 7/14/2019 6:53 PM, James Cook wrote: Thanks for raising it, nch! G., I remember you put out a proto-proposal to add new degrees related to law [0]. I would be honoured to get any degree for this, but it would be kind of fun for it to be a law degree. [0]

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: My Spaceship

2019-07-14 Thread James Cook
Are you sure it's ineffectual? I could consider ", increasing its armour switch to 10" to be an assertion separate from your announcement that you perform the action. I'll hold off on this week's Treasuror report in case you want to try to clarify the gamestate with a conditional action. (I'm also

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: My Spaceship

2019-07-14 Thread nch
In that case, both actions failed. I should have 10 coins and Theseus, my spaceship, has 20 energy. On 7/14/19 8:56 PM, James Cook wrote: Hm... my reading would be that the default is "null". And I'm not sure what happens if you increase "null' by 1. Jason Cobb I think it's 0 due to R2509

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: My Spaceship

2019-07-14 Thread Jason Cobb
Whoops, you're right. I suppose I haven't read the entire ruleset yet :). Jason Cobb On 7/14/19 8:56 PM, James Cook wrote: Hm... my reading would be that the default is "null". And I'm not sure what happens if you increase "null' by 1. Jason Cobb I think it's 0 due to R2509 (Agoran Numbers):

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: My Spaceship

2019-07-14 Thread James Cook
> Hm... my reading would be that the default is "null". And I'm not sure > what happens if you increase "null' by 1. > > Jason Cobb I think it's 0 due to R2509 (Agoran Numbers): "If 0 is in the specified values...".

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: My Spaceship

2019-07-14 Thread nch
Oh you're right, I missed the "by 1" somehow. The payment should be entirely ineffectual then. I'm not sure if the movement worked since the ship might not be pilotable, but I see no reason to think 0 is a more (or less) likely number than 10 in the rules. On 7/14/19 8:42 PM, James Cook

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Thesis submission: A dream within a dream within a dream

2019-07-14 Thread James Cook
Thanks for raising it, nch! G., I remember you put out a proto-proposal to add new degrees related to law [0]. I would be honoured to get any degree for this, but it would be kind of fun for it to be a law degree. [0] https://www.mail-archive.com/agora-discussion@agoranomic.org/msg46799.html On

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: My Spaceship

2019-07-14 Thread Jason Cobb
Hm... my reading would be that the default is "null". And I'm not sure what happens if you increase "null' by 1. Jason Cobb On 7/14/19 8:42 PM, James Cook wrote: On Sun, 14 Jul 2019 at 22:04, nch wrote: It's also not clear what the default of the armour value is. If my spaceships armour

DIS: Re: BUS: My Spaceship

2019-07-14 Thread James Cook
On Sun, 14 Jul 2019 at 22:04, nch wrote: > It's also not clear what the default of the > armour value is. If my spaceships armour value is less than 10, I pay 1 > coin to repair it, increasing its armour switch to 10. Welcome! I think armour currently defaults to zero. There was a proposal to

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Thesis submission: A dream within a dream within a dream

2019-07-14 Thread Kerim Aydin
It's the Herald's responsibility, but only enforced by a SHOULD. Our last Herald did a disappearing act around when this was being resolved (I think e may have announced intent to award just before e vanished). I just deputised to pick up the tasks but haven't gotten to this one yet (on my

DIS: Re: BUS: My Spaceship

2019-07-14 Thread Rebecca
Unfortunately, nch, you are literally the only person with a spaceship right now On Mon, Jul 15, 2019 at 8:04 AM nch wrote: > It appears my registration causes me to own a spaceship, and G has > caused me to have 10 coins. It's also not clear what the default of the > armour value is. If my

DIS: Re: BUS: Thesis submission: A dream within a dream within a dream

2019-07-14 Thread nch
I haven't had a chance yet to properly review this document and recommend or critique it, but it strikes me that we should have a review system that makes this someone's responsibility so that the document doesn't disappear into limbo, and the writer either gets their reward or understands why

Re: BUS: Fwd: DIS: [Promotor] Draft

2019-07-14 Thread D. Margaux
> On Jul 14, 2019, at 12:02 PM, Kerim Aydin wrote: > > After pondering on it I'm likely going to vote against it - the stakes are > too high. I don't think it's reasonable to be able to steal all of > someone's assets via minor inattention. Well, under the current rules, players can protect

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: (No Subject)

2019-07-14 Thread nch
Thank you for the package, whatever it may contain (I'm still working my way through the current game-state). I'm deciding to play again while starting both a new job and a graduate degree (after all, I'll need some sort of equally-stressful distraction when those things stress me out), so I

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: (No Subject)

2019-07-14 Thread Kerim Aydin
I thought it might be you :) Welcome back!!! On 7/14/2019 2:24 PM, nch wrote: You're right, I'm rusty. And regrettably the Protonmail IMAP bridge doesn't have a Linux release yet, so I guess I'll revive this account. I register with the name nch. On 7/14/19 3:37 PM, Kerim Aydin wrote:

DIS: Re: BUS: (No Subject)

2019-07-14 Thread Kerim Aydin
If you were hoping that the cc would register you, it likely doesn't: actions can only be taken "within" messages (within the bodies). You can refer to other parts of the email in the body (e.g. "I do what the subject line says") but you can't straight-out take actions without some indication

Re: BUS: Fwd: DIS: [Promotor] Draft

2019-07-14 Thread Kerim Aydin
On 7/14/2019 10:48 AM, James Cook wrote: On Sun, 14 Jul 2019 at 16:04, Kerim Aydin wrote: >> This also gives a mechanism to trade/sell zombies - that was purposefully>> left out of the original I don't really think zombies should be a fungible>> asset.> > Why not? The zombie rules as a whole

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Rulekeepor] Full Logical Ruleset: July 2019

2019-07-14 Thread Reuben Staley
Thank you for bringing this to my attention, even if it was for a self-serving purpose. I will investigate the history of this rule and report back. -- Trigon On Sun, Jul 14, 2019, 12:02 Jason Cobb wrote: > Okay. I was going to try something nefarious with this, but I guess I can't > then. On

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Rulekeepor] Full Logical Ruleset: July 2019

2019-07-14 Thread Jason Cobb
Okay. I was going to try something nefarious with this, but I guess I can't then. On Rule 2517, the annotations list the rule as being enacted, and then repealed, without being re-enacted, so there might be something off there. On Sun, Jul 14, 2019, 12:58 PM Reuben Staley wrote: > No part of

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Rulekeepor] Full Logical Ruleset: July 2019

2019-07-14 Thread Aris Merchant
They are not. Nothing in the SLR or FLR is self-ratifying. Customarily, we ratify the SLR from time to time by proposal in order to ensure we accurately understand the ruleset. This is done by explicit proposal so that people have an opportunity to check it and prevent scams. However, the FLR is

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Rulekeepor] Full Logical Ruleset: July 2019

2019-07-14 Thread Reuben Staley
No part of any ruleset is self-ratifying. -- Trigon On Sun, Jul 14, 2019, 11:57 Jason Cobb wrote: > Are the historical annotations in the FLR self-ratifying? Asking for a > friend. > > On Sun, Jul 14, 2019, 2:46 AM Reuben Staley > wrote: > > > THE FULL LOGICAL RULESET > > > > These rulesets

DIS: Re: OFF: [Rulekeepor] Full Logical Ruleset: July 2019

2019-07-14 Thread Jason Cobb
Are the historical annotations in the FLR self-ratifying? Asking for a friend. On Sun, Jul 14, 2019, 2:46 AM Reuben Staley wrote: > THE FULL LOGICAL RULESET > > These rulesets are also online at http://agoranomic.org/ruleset/ > > Date of last official ruleset of this type: 16 Jun 2019 > Date of

Re: BUS: Fwd: DIS: [Promotor] Draft

2019-07-14 Thread James Cook
On Sun, 14 Jul 2019 at 16:04, Kerim Aydin wrote: > After pondering on it I'm likely going to vote against it - the stakes are > too high. I don't think it's reasonable to be able to steal all of > someone's assets via minor inattention. Oh, for some reason I thought this was just for stealing

Re: BUS: Fwd: DIS: [Promotor] Draft

2019-07-14 Thread James Cook
Oh, that makes sense. You probably want to do something about zombies with resale value 0. Normally their master switches can't be changed to another player. On Sun., Jul. 14, 2019, 11:53 D. Margaux, wrote: > Thought it could add a fun mechanic to zombies, where we'd be trying to > catch each

Re: BUS: Fwd: DIS: [Promotor] Draft

2019-07-14 Thread Kerim Aydin
After pondering on it I'm likely going to vote against it - the stakes are too high. I don't think it's reasonable to be able to steal all of someone's assets via minor inattention. This also gives a mechanism to trade/sell zombies - that was purposefully left out of the original I don't

Re: BUS: Fwd: DIS: [Promotor] Draft

2019-07-14 Thread Jason Cobb
"A player CAN by announcement pay 10 coins to Agora to flip to emself another player's master switch without objection from that other player or that other player's master (if any), provided the intent to flip that switch was announced at least 7 days before the switch is flipped." I think we

Re: BUS: Fwd: DIS: [Promotor] Draft

2019-07-14 Thread D. Margaux
Thought it could add a fun mechanic to zombies, where we'd be trying to catch each other off guard. Especially because people tend to have periods of higher and lower attention to Agora. On Sun, Jul 14, 2019 at 11:28 AM James Cook wrote: > On Sun, 14 Jul 2019 at 11:23, D. Margaux wrote: > > I

Re: BUS: Fwd: DIS: [Promotor] Draft

2019-07-14 Thread James Cook
On Sun, 14 Jul 2019 at 11:23, D. Margaux wrote: > I withdraw my AFK proposal and propose this in its place: > > Title: AFK Reform Act v1.1 What's the purpose of this proposal?

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: kwang

2019-07-14 Thread James Cook
On Sun, 14 Jul 2019 at 07:47, Reuben Staley wrote: > I earn 5 coins for the publication of the SLR for the twenty-seventh > week of 2019. I think it is the 28th week right now. I'm not sure whether this is successful. Maybe try again just to be sure?