DIS: Re: OFF: [Diplonomic 2020] Daily Status of Play: Spring 1903 Part 2
at 5:13 PM, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus via agora-official wrote: It is now after 00:00 UTC on July 19, 2020, so the fifth negotiating phase has ended and the fifth orders phase has begun. You may now submit orders. Please submit orders if you haven't already. A Bur - Pic A Hol - Bel A Ruh S A Hol - Bel F HEL - NTH Retreat orders, in order of preference: A Bur: Bel, Par, Pic, Mun A Hol: Bel, Kie, Ruh A Ruh: Hol, Kie, Mun (impossible?) F HEL: Den, Kie, Hol Please also remember to include conditional orders for building and disbanding. While you may not believe that such a thing will occur, I would recommend that you give me something anyway, just to be safe. Do you mean retreating? There shouldn’t be building and disbanding in the Spring… right?
Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Dipolnomic proposal
Damn, ull never know it was me On Sun., 19 Jul. 2020, 11:02 am ATMunn via agora-discussion, < agora-discussion@agoranomic.org> wrote: > On 7/18/2020 8:58 PM, N. S. via agora-business wrote: > > I make the following diplonomic proposal named eat the rich > > > > Make the following rule 'after each build phase, the power with the most > > units has one of their units randomly destroyed' > > > > This didn't create a proposal; proposals are only anonymous now. > > -- > ATMunn > friendly neighborhood notary and Czar of Russia :) >
Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Dipolnomic proposal
Pss's interpretation On Sun., 19 Jul. 2020, 11:00 am omd via agora-discussion, < agora-discussion@agoranomic.org> wrote: > at 5:58 PM, N. S. via agora-business > wrote: > > > I make the following diplonomic proposal named eat the rich > > > > Make the following rule 'after each build phase, the power with the most > > units has one of their units randomly destroyed’ > > What if there’s a tie? >
DIS: Re: BUS: Dipolnomic proposal
On 7/18/2020 8:58 PM, N. S. via agora-business wrote: I make the following diplonomic proposal named eat the rich Make the following rule 'after each build phase, the power with the most units has one of their units randomly destroyed' This didn't create a proposal; proposals are only anonymous now. -- ATMunn friendly neighborhood notary and Czar of Russia :)
DIS: Re: BUS: Dipolnomic proposal
at 5:58 PM, N. S. via agora-business wrote: I make the following diplonomic proposal named eat the rich Make the following rule 'after each build phase, the power with the most units has one of their units randomly destroyed’ What if there’s a tie?
DIS: Re: BUS: [@ADoP] Name and Address Change
On 2020-07-18 7:08 p.m., nix via agora-business wrote: As mentioned before (and I will once again confirm it in a reply to this email) I'm switching to this email. I'd also like to use the name "nix" instead of "nch". I can't remember if the rules allow multiple emails; if they do I'd like to keep nchagora just in case. Registrar report updated: https://agoranomic.org/Registrar/weekly/fresh.txt I kept your old email address in a footnote. -- Falsifian
DIS: Re: BUS: [@ADoP] Name and Address Change
On Sat, 2020-07-18 at 19:08 +, nix via agora-business wrote: > As mentioned before (and I will once again confirm it in a reply to this > email) I'm switching to this email. I'd also like to use the name "nix" > instead of "nch". I can't remember if the rules allow multiple emails; > if they do I'd like to keep nchagora just in case. I don't think "which email someone has" is something that the rules care about (except in terms of identifying who sent a message). I've been using two email addresses for Agora for years without causing issues from Agora's point of view. -- ais523
Re: BUS: Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Arbitor] CFJ 3862 Assigned to R. Lee
Ah, well, I won't insist then... But I'll be ready to pounce when I see the chance!! On Sat, Jul 18, 2020 at 8:44 PM Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion < agora-discussion@agoranomic.org> wrote: > > On 7/18/2020 11:30 AM, Cuddle Beam via agora-business wrote: > > I motion to reconsider, I don't believe it to be overly hypothetical when > > it refers to how Agora itself works. It's a question about Agora's > > fundamental way of working. > > First, I found this tidbit in CFJ 1895: > > R2160(d) allows us to assume counterfactual conditions; that is, we are > > permitted to treat certain, untrue conditions *as if* they were true. > > But we also reject the impossible (you can't "do something an infinite > > number of times" or act "as if 1+1=3", so it's meaningless to act "as if > > you can"). Some assumptions are so counterfactual that to "assume" them > > is to undermine the very nature of the game. > > Then, I thought I sent these Gratuitous Arguments when PSS recused emself, > but just saw them in my Drafts folder: > > > This is enough of an "overly hypothetical extapolation [...] to > > conditions that don't actually exist" to merit IRRELEVANT. If we start > > to ignore any particular set of facts (one example is the question of > > "personhood" of the deceased), the exact circumstances are important as > > to how that's interpreted. I can think of several circumstances in > > which we might start to "believe" that 2+2=5, all with different legal > > consequences. At least a couple of these situations are such a stretch > > from our current understandings that we can't say much about them, > > unless we know the path that was taken to get there. So in the > > abstract, this is IRRELEVANT. > > In other words, I agree with you that it *can* be relevant to talk about > these things in a CFJ, but the details of the exact belief might matter, > so if asked in this broad, abstract sense, it's overly hyphothetical. > > -G. > >
Re: BUS: Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Arbitor] CFJ 3862 Assigned to R. Lee
On 7/18/2020 11:30 AM, Cuddle Beam via agora-business wrote: > I motion to reconsider, I don't believe it to be overly hypothetical when > it refers to how Agora itself works. It's a question about Agora's > fundamental way of working. First, I found this tidbit in CFJ 1895: > R2160(d) allows us to assume counterfactual conditions; that is, we are > permitted to treat certain, untrue conditions *as if* they were true. > But we also reject the impossible (you can't "do something an infinite > number of times" or act "as if 1+1=3", so it's meaningless to act "as if > you can"). Some assumptions are so counterfactual that to "assume" them > is to undermine the very nature of the game. Then, I thought I sent these Gratuitous Arguments when PSS recused emself, but just saw them in my Drafts folder: > This is enough of an "overly hypothetical extapolation [...] to > conditions that don't actually exist" to merit IRRELEVANT. If we start > to ignore any particular set of facts (one example is the question of > "personhood" of the deceased), the exact circumstances are important as > to how that's interpreted. I can think of several circumstances in > which we might start to "believe" that 2+2=5, all with different legal > consequences. At least a couple of these situations are such a stretch > from our current understandings that we can't say much about them, > unless we know the path that was taken to get there. So in the > abstract, this is IRRELEVANT. In other words, I agree with you that it *can* be relevant to talk about these things in a CFJ, but the details of the exact belief might matter, so if asked in this broad, abstract sense, it's overly hyphothetical. -G.
Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Arbitor] CFJ 3862 Assigned to R. Lee
I motion to reconsider, I don't believe it to be overly hypothetical when it refers to how Agora itself works. It's a question about Agora's fundamental way of working. I humbly request support please, Agorans. On Fri, Jul 17, 2020 at 3:15 AM N. S. via agora-discussion < agora-discussion@agoranomic.org> wrote: > I judge CFJ 3862 IRRELEVANT as it is overly hypothetical. > > On Fri., 17 Jul. 2020, 7:20 am Kerim Aydin via agora-official, < > agora-offic...@agoranomic.org> wrote: > > > The below CFJ is 3862. I assign it to R. Lee. > > > > status: https://faculty.washington.edu/kerim/nomic/cases/#3862 > > > > === CFJ 3862 > === > > > > Facts (for example, 2 + 2 = 4), for the purposes of Agoran play, > > rely on some function of the collective Agoran opinion and not > > necessarily some objective reality. For example, if enough Agorans > > believe that 2 + 2 = 5 is true, it is then so for Agora. > > > > > == > > > > Caller:Cuddlebeam > > > > Judge: R. Lee > > > > > == > > > > History: > > > > Called by Cuddlebeam: 30 Jun 2020 09:41:12 > > Assigned to Publius Scribonius Scholasticus: 05 Jul 2020 18:22:54 > > Publius recuses emself: 12 Jul 2020 14:33:38 > > Assigned to R. Lee: [now] > > > > > == > > > > Caller's Arguments: > > > > I'm very convinced that nomic is entirely a perspectivist, subjective > > game, but let's see how that holds up to Judgement. > > > > > == > > > > >
Re: DIS: [Webmastor] Homepage Update Shoutout
‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐ On Saturday, July 18, 2020 11:25 AM, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus via agora-discussion wrote: > On 7/18/20 12:13 PM, Nch via agora-discussion wrote: > > > The homepage (agoranomic.org) has received some internal updates today. > > Trigon took the initiative to figure out how to update the homepage to > > github's markdown and jekyll instead of pure html while keeping the classic > > two-column look. It doesn't look any different, but this will make the page > > much easier to maintain and update in the future. > > > > Nch > > Prime Minister, Webmastor > > That's great! While looking at some of the help pages, I noticed some > minor typos. Can I propose a change just as a pull request? > > > > Publius Scribonius Scholasticus, Herald, Referee, Tailor, Pirate > Champion, Badge of the Great Agoran Revival, Badge of the Salted Earth Yup! That's the best way if you're comfortable with it!
Re: DIS: [Webmastor] Homepage Update Shoutout
On 7/18/20 12:13 PM, Nch via agora-discussion wrote: > The homepage (agoranomic.org) has received some internal updates today. > Trigon took the initiative to figure out how to update the homepage to > github's markdown and jekyll instead of pure html while keeping the classic > two-column look. It doesn't look any different, but this will make the page > much easier to maintain and update in the future. > > --- > Nch > Prime Minister, Webmastor > That's great! While looking at some of the help pages, I noticed some minor typos. Can I propose a change just as a pull request? -- Publius Scribonius Scholasticus, Herald, Referee, Tailor, Pirate Champion, Badge of the Great Agoran Revival, Badge of the Salted Earth
DIS: [Webmastor] Homepage Update Shoutout
The homepage (agoranomic.org) has received some internal updates today. Trigon took the initiative to figure out how to update the homepage to github's markdown and jekyll instead of pure html while keeping the classic two-column look. It doesn't look any different, but this will make the page much easier to maintain and update in the future. --- Nch Prime Minister, Webmastor
Re: BUS: Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Distribution of Proposals 8473-8476
‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐ On Saturday, July 18, 2020 8:41 AM, nixnull+agora--- via agora-business wrote: > On Saturday, July 18, 2020 8:40:11 AM CDT nixnull+agora--- via agora- > discussion wrote: > > > (This is nch. I might be switching to this email address, playing around > > with settings right now. I'll send an email from nchagora to prove > > identity.) > > If I've submitted any ballots for any proposals listed below, which I don't > > think I have, I withdraw them. > > I vote as follows: > > On Sunday, July 12, 2020 3:10:21 PM CDT Aris Merchant via agora-official Proving that the above is indeed me. nixn...@protonmail.com is the address, the + is an alias on the address (I could technically put anything behind the +).
DIS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Distribution of Proposals 8473-8476
(This is nch. I might be switching to this email address, playing around with settings right now. I'll send an email from nchagora to prove identity.) If I've submitted any ballots for any proposals listed below, which I don't think I have, I withdraw them. I vote as follows: On Sunday, July 12, 2020 3:10:21 PM CDT Aris Merchant via agora-official wrote: > ID Author(s)AITitle > --- > 8473p Jason, G.1.0 Plain Old Bribery FOR > 8474p G., omd 1.0 Agora the karma bank AGAINST; I just think the current system is fine. > 8475p Aris 1.0 Saving Sponsorship FOR; mea culpa on missing this in the original proposal. > 8476e^ ATMunn, [1] 1.0 Contract charities PRESENT; I think its funner if we encourage these public good contracts to find a way to make money (like the NAX's fee for transactions, or if the reportor sold ads in the reports). I'm not against doing it this way, I just think it disincentives some potential experimentation I'd personally enjoy.
Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Distribution of Proposals 8473-8476
On Sunday, July 12, 2020 11:23:34 PM CDT Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion wrote: > [Did I get this remotely right? I can't tell what the role your > assessment order played in this.] If I remember correctly, at the time assessment order directly determined quorum and it would've failed quorum without the withdrawn votes if the order wasn't rearranged.
