Re: DIS: Hypothetical: What if a player dies?

2018-10-29 Thread Ørjan Johansen
On Mon, 29 Oct 2018, ATMunn wrote: Kinda dark, but interesting. And since Agora has been going on for so long and doesn't seem like it will stop anytime soon, even thought it would be sad, it's not a complete impossibility. Even darker, it may already have happened without us knowing.

DIS: Proposal 8121 (Re: BUS: [Promotor] Distribution of Proposals 8112-8122)

2018-10-29 Thread Ørjan Johansen
On Sun, 28 Oct 2018, Reuben Staley wrote: 8121 G. 3.0 Retroactive Documents PRESENT. There are arguments for and against doing this and I am not convinced which way to go. This was a result of a discussion between me and G. on a rather subtle point, where it took a

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: I intend to win by apathy without objection AND I OBJECT

2018-10-23 Thread Ørjan Johansen
On Tue, 23 Oct 2018, Kerim Aydin wrote: Oh for crying out loud. I object to everything. To everything, literally. I object. It seems like it's the final stage before you turn abject. Greetings, Ørjan.

DIS: Re: BUS: These declarations of apathy are getting ridiculous

2018-10-21 Thread Ørjan Johansen
On Sun, 21 Oct 2018, Reuben Staley wrote: Any player who consents to be bound by this contract CAN become a party by announcement. Every day at 0:00 UTC, this contract acts on behalf of all its parties to object to each intent to declare apathy. This won't work, as only persons can act on

Re: BUS: Re: DIS: [Prime Minister] Regarding Wins

2018-10-21 Thread Ørjan Johansen
didn't keep that particular message in my inbox, but that's where I've usually seen the quoting for others. Greetings, Ørjan. On Oct 21, 2018, at 11:49 AM, Ørjan Johansen wrote: On Sat, 20 Oct 2018, D. Margaux wrote: Oh crud. That wasn’t supposed to be in quotes. Looks like I only unquoted

Re: BUS: Re: DIS: [Prime Minister] Regarding Wins

2018-10-21 Thread Ørjan Johansen
On Sun, 21 Oct 2018, Timon Walshe-Grey wrote: Ah, darn it. (This message best viewed in a fixed-width font.) I don't know whether this would have worked anyway but it would have been amusing. That looked quoted, so I'm pretty sure would be excluded by the principles in G.s recent (although

Re: BUS: Re: DIS: [Prime Minister] Regarding Wins

2018-10-21 Thread Ørjan Johansen
On Sat, 20 Oct 2018, D. Margaux wrote: Oh crud. That wasn’t supposed to be in quotes. Looks like I only unquoted the second line of the intent, not both lines. That’s very annoying. I've often seen messages with a first new line after quoted content accidentally quoted like that. I've

Re: DIS: Fwd: OFF: [Treasuror] Weekly report: Last ever painstaking addition of 3s to each facility balance

2018-10-20 Thread Ørjan Johansen
On Sat, 20 Oct 2018, Kerim Aydin wrote: On Sat, 20 Oct 2018, Ørjan Johansen wrote: On Sat, 20 Oct 2018, Kerim Aydin wrote: You can still use ratification, just be specific on date/time, e.g. The following document is hereby ratified: { On 18-Oct-2018, HH:MM:SS [time of Treasuror's Report

Re: DIS: Fwd: OFF: [Treasuror] Weekly report: Last ever painstaking addition of 3s to each facility balance

2018-10-20 Thread Ørjan Johansen
On Sat, 20 Oct 2018, Kerim Aydin wrote: You can still use ratification, just be specific on date/time, e.g. The following document is hereby ratified: { On 18-Oct-2018, HH:MM:SS [time of Treasuror's Report], G. had 42 coins and D. Margaux had 62 coins. } Um, that's precisely the kind of

Re: DIS: Fwd: OFF: [Treasuror] Weekly report: Last ever painstaking addition of 3s to each facility balance

2018-10-20 Thread Ørjan Johansen
On Sat, 20 Oct 2018, Kerim Aydin wrote: How is this different than self-ratification - when it self-ratifies a week after publication, it ratifies the past condition as being true as of that past date, correct? If not, we're really messed up. I think it works fine as long as the published

Re: DIS: Fwd: OFF: [Treasuror] Weekly report: Last ever painstaking addition of 3s to each facility balance

2018-10-19 Thread Ørjan Johansen
On Thu, 18 Oct 2018, Kerim Aydin wrote: This is very weird phrasing to me. You can backdate ratification, so possibly better phrasing: "The following list is Ratified as being an accurate list of coin holdings for 18 Oct 2018". Maybe no big deal tho. I think I've quibbled in the past that

DIS: Re: BUS: Auction related proposals

2018-10-19 Thread Ørjan Johansen
On Thu, 18 Oct 2018, Reuben Staley wrote: Amend the last paragraph of rule 2551 'Auction End' by removing the final sentence. This also removes a clarifying part about Agora and the relevant CAN, which may not be obvious otherwise, since Agora is AFAICT not commonly presented as an agent in

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: CFJ 3644 judged TRUE

2018-10-19 Thread Ørjan Johansen
On Thu, 18 Oct 2018, Kerim Aydin wrote: (on a side note, should I start publishing these again after cases are complete? I'm entering them into the database once a month or so). It's nice to see it all at once, especially if the judge doesn't quote everything relevant. Greetings, Ørjan.

Re: DIS: Joining

2018-10-19 Thread Ørjan Johansen
On Thu, 18 Oct 2018, hal...@safiria.net wrote: In accordance with Rule 869/33, I, Hālian, hereby publish a message of intent to become a player of Agora Nomic. (Also, where relevant, I am a he.) Welcome to Agora! (Well, once you resend it to the proper place.) I don't think it's ever

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Distribution of Proposals 8077B-8085A and 8087A-8089A

2018-09-30 Thread Ørjan Johansen
On Sun, 30 Sep 2018, D Margaux wrote: I CFJ (barring Aris) this statement: “G.’s attempt in the message quoted below to transfer coins to the contract between em and D. Margaux is EFFECTIVE.” (I note for the Arbitor’s benefit that G. is an interested party. Also twg might be considered an

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Click here for FREE land!

2018-09-30 Thread Ørjan Johansen
On Sat, 29 Sep 2018, Kerim Aydin wrote: On Sat, 29 Sep 2018, Ørjan Johansen wrote: Unless it's been changed since June 6, creating a Contract requires payment. [snip] It changed in late June. Ruleset up to July (unofficial, but with the new contract text) is here: https://github.com

DIS: Re: BUS: Reiteration Judgement (3663)

2018-09-29 Thread Ørjan Johansen
On Fri, 28 Sep 2018, Kerim Aydin wrote: 2. Not only does the chosen term ("reiterate") have a common use that makes sense in context of voting, but the common use is actually opposite the proposed meaning! To "reiterate" means to "restate clearly". If you say "I hereby restate my name for the

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Click here for FREE land!

2018-09-29 Thread Ørjan Johansen
On Fri, 28 Sep 2018, Kerim Aydin wrote: CFJ, barring D. Margaux: Corona and D. Margaux made a Contract in the last 24 hours. Unless it's been changed since June 6, creating a Contract requires payment. Greetings, Ørjan.

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Notice of Honour

2018-09-23 Thread Ørjan Johansen
On Sun, 23 Sep 2018, Kerim Aydin wrote: 2. In R2510, clause (2) and clause (3) somehow got reversed, in that the "other" in clause (2) is meant to refer to the fact that it can't be the same entity as in clause (3). Does the "other" mean anything with that reversal? Um no, it's meant to

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Define Reiteration

2018-09-23 Thread Ørjan Johansen
On Sun, 23 Sep 2018, Aris Merchant wrote: On Sun, Sep 23, 2018 at 6:00 PM Ørjan Johansen wrote: On Sun, 23 Sep 2018, Aris Merchant wrote: [This is an informal general definition that is helpful for proposals added again to the pool. The Assessor already has this information, which means

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Distribution of Proposals 8096-8103

2018-09-23 Thread Ørjan Johansen
On Sun, 23 Sep 2018, Aris Merchant wrote: I vote, and act on behalf as Tenaior to vote, as follows: Not that it matters, but it's "Telnaior". Greetings, Ørjan.

DIS: Re: BUS: Define Reiteration

2018-09-23 Thread Ørjan Johansen
On Sun, 23 Sep 2018, Aris Merchant wrote: [This is an informal general definition that is helpful for proposals added again to the pool. The Assessor already has this information, which means that it's legal under past precedent to cast a vote that requires em to retrieve it.] The obvious

DIS: Re: OFF: [Arbitor] Court Gazette

2018-09-23 Thread Ørjan Johansen
On Sun, 23 Sep 2018, Edward Murphy wrote: Open cases (CFJs) - 3645 called by Aris 20 June 2018, assigned to V.J. Rada 26 August 2018: "G. has satisfied eir weekly obligation with regard to the FLR and SLR." 3648 called by G. 24 June 2018, assigned to V.J. Rada 26 August 2018:

DIS: Re: OFF: [Registrar] Weekly Report

2018-09-16 Thread Ørjan Johansen
On Sun, 16 Sep 2018, Kerim Aydin wrote: Fora (Rule 478, self-ratifying) Discussion irc://irc.freenode.net:6667/##nomic discussion There seems to be a http: in the link, which doesn't work. However, for people without irc: set up,

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: Deputy-[Herald] Scroll of Agora

2018-09-15 Thread Ørjan Johansen
On Sat, 15 Sep 2018, D Margaux wrote: I think the Herald must timely award the patent title Champion after a victory per Rule 649: “... A person permitted and enabled to award (revoke) a Patent Title SHALL do so in a timely fashion after the conditions authorizing em to do so are announced,

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: Deputy-[Herald] Scroll of Agora

2018-09-15 Thread Ørjan Johansen
On Sat, 15 Sep 2018, D Margaux wrote: I CoE this Monthly Report on the ground that twg and I won by Apathy I don't think this CoE is correct, because Champion is not automatically awarded and the Herald isn't required to report wins per se. Greetings, Ørjan.

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Declaration of Apathy

2018-09-15 Thread Ørjan Johansen
On Fri, 14 Sep 2018, Kerim Aydin wrote: On Fri, 14 Sep 2018, Ørjan Johansen wrote: This seems to be an argument for replacing (or complementing) "clear" by "unobfuscated" in the relevant rule text. Huh, actually, a leading definition of "obfuscated" is "u

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Declaration of Apathy

2018-09-13 Thread Ørjan Johansen
On Thu, 13 Sep 2018, Kerim Aydin wrote: 1. The Parliamentary Tradition: "Without Objection" has more dangerous consequences than win by Apathy (e.g. Ruleset changes). In a legislature, if you mumbled "any objections?" so only you could hear it, then said "with no objections I proceed", it

DIS: Re: OFF: [Registrar] Weekly Report

2018-09-09 Thread Ørjan Johansen
On Sun, 9 Sep 2018, Kerim Aydin wrote: Fora (Rule 478, self-ratifying) Discussion irc://irc.freenode.net:6667/##nomic discussion There seems to be a http: in the link, which doesn't work. However, for people without irc: set up,

DIS: Re: BUS: End-of-month business

2018-09-01 Thread Ørjan Johansen
On Sat, 1 Sep 2018, Timon Walshe-Grey wrote: I intend, with Agoran Consent, to award the Badge "Badge of Accidental Loom Destruction" to myself, Trigon and Corona. I find it an extraordinary coincidence that three players have managed to accomplish this, completely independently. Needs more

DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: Slow your quorum

2018-08-30 Thread Ørjan Johansen
On Sun, 26 Aug 2018, Edward Murphy wrote: I submit the following proposal and destroy the minimum amount of paper required to pend it (I think this is either 0 or 1). This definition of Baseline Quorum doesn't seem to make it the actual quorum for anything. Greetings, Ørjan. Proposal:

Re: DIS: The 3d6 constitution, and my thanks for the inspiration

2018-08-30 Thread Ørjan Johansen
On Sun, 26 Aug 2018, Jonatan Kilhamn wrote: Best regards, -Tiger (I understand I'm a zombie now, is that what you call it?) You seem to have been deregistered, so not a zombie. I'm not entirely sure if you were made one first. I think there was a period when some players didn't want

Re: DIS: proto: directly encourage cooperation

2018-08-24 Thread Ørjan Johansen
On Thu, 23 Aug 2018, Kerim Aydin wrote: It is IMPOSSIBLE for a player to have more than one Royal Charter of any type in eir portfolio. If e would receive a Royal Charter when there is already one in eir portfolio, it is instead transferred to Agora. AFAIU IMPOSSIBLE only applies

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Registrar]

2018-08-20 Thread Ørjan Johansen
NttPF Greetings, Ørjan. On Mon, 20 Aug 2018, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus wrote: CoE: I am o’s master and someone else is Kenyon’s On Aug 19, 2018, at 7:48 PM, Corona wrote:

Re: DIS: Fw: Re: BUS: Case Assignment Request

2018-08-13 Thread Ørjan Johansen
On Sun, 12 Aug 2018, Timon Walshe-Grey wrote: This time, not only did I not get the confirmation email, but it hasn't shown up on mail-archive.com either... Hmm. Please confirm if you receive this via DIS (I'm sending it directly to Aris as well). I received both, and they're in the

DIS: Re: BUS: 3638 judgement

2018-08-01 Thread Ørjan Johansen
On Wed, 1 Aug 2018, Rebecca wrote: I find CFJ 3638 FALSE. The rules require reasons to be stated for a notice of honour. That clearly means additional text to the score change itself. You didn't address Cuddle Beam's argument that this doesn't apply when the target isn't a player.

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Cartographor] The Map of Arcadia -- July week 4

2018-07-29 Thread Ørjan Johansen
On Sun, 29 Jul 2018, Corona wrote: Sorry! I withdraw my CoE. Is that actually possible? I don't see anything in my copy of the Ruleset allowing it, but that's from June 6... Greetings, Ørjan.

DIS: Re: BUS: some list info

2018-07-20 Thread Ørjan Johansen
On Fri, 20 Jul 2018, Kerim Aydin wrote: I just went to my preferences on the BUS list and found this: Note: your list delivery is currently disabled; it was disabled due to excessive bounces. The last bounce was received on 18-Jul-2018. I don't know how this plays into the "did enough

DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: Readability cleanup

2018-07-20 Thread Ørjan Johansen
On Fri, 20 Jul 2018, Edward Murphy wrote: I submit the following proposal and destroy 1 paper to pend it. "Free Proposals" passed, so it doesn't cost paper anymore. Greetings, Ørjan.

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Assessor] Resolutiion of Proposals 8058-8065, quorum-busting edition

2018-07-20 Thread Ørjan Johansen
On Thu, 19 Jul 2018, Kerim Aydin wrote: Received. [OFF seems to be the stable one right now] Also received. And I also received (at least some of?) the BUS: messages you seem to have problems with. Greetings, Ørjan.

Re: DIS: BUS broke for me now

2018-07-19 Thread Ørjan Johansen
On Thu, 19 Jul 2018, Kerim Aydin wrote: I did not receive either reply to the voting results that's in the BUS archives. By recent precedent, if a # of people didn't receive them the CoE's weren't made. How big a #? This is really horribly indeterminate. Does it apply to non-player

DIS: Whitelist test

2018-07-17 Thread Ørjan Johansen
Checking if the whitelist fix an admin just applied for NVG's mail server is working. Incidentally, the spamcop.net entry for the Agora list server currently contains the item: * It appears this listing is caused by misdirected bounces. We have a FAQ which covers this topic: Why

Re: Agora blacklisted (Re: DIS: My agora email keeps breaking)

2018-07-16 Thread Ørjan Johansen
2018, Ørjan Johansen wrote: I got a local NVG admin to look at this, and apparently the Agora list server keeps getting intermittently on the spamcop.net blacklist. (Perhaps unrelatedly, my admin also suggested it should get a reverse DNS entry.) Sadly the local fix he applied isn't quite

Agora blacklisted (Re: DIS: My agora email keeps breaking)

2018-07-15 Thread Ørjan Johansen
still missing most Agora mail from yesterday and the day before. Greetings, Ørjan. On Wed, 11 Jul 2018, Ørjan Johansen wrote: My email from the list keeps intermittently bouncing, and a-d and a-b got disabled for me. Again. Looking at the archive subject lines, it seems to happen whenever

DIS: My agora email keeps breaking

2018-07-11 Thread Ørjan Johansen
My email from the list keeps intermittently bouncing, and a-d and a-b got disabled for me. Again. Looking at the archive subject lines, it seems to happen whenever there's a day with particularly active discussion. I don't know why, since I cannot see the bounce messages, so I cannot take

Re: Email again (Re: BUS: Re: DIS: [Promotor] Draft)

2018-07-06 Thread Ørjan Johansen
what, if anything, I can fix. Greetings, Ørjan. On Fri, 6 Jul 2018, Ørjan Johansen wrote: *Sigh* I hadn't seen that previous message. Apparently my email from the lists was disabled because of bounces around July 1, and messages from a-o and a-b only started arriving again today. a-d

Email again (Re: BUS: Re: DIS: [Promotor] Draft)

2018-07-05 Thread Ørjan Johansen
*Sigh* I hadn't seen that previous message. Apparently my email from the lists was disabled because of bounces around July 1, and messages from a-o and a-b only started arriving again today. a-d was still disabled when I checked on the web. I just thought you were being really quiet... Given

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: CFJ 3642 judged FALSE

2018-06-26 Thread Ørjan Johansen
On Tue, 26 Jun 2018, Benjamin Schultz wrote: I too would love to see your logic. My reasoning for using the honorific "Right" as a noun instead of as an adjective rests on an understanding of ancient, non-alphabetic languages. I think you mean "as an adjective instead of as an adverb".

DIS: Re: BUS: Pledge handoff to Notary

2018-06-24 Thread Ørjan Johansen
On Mon, 25 Jun 2018, Rebecca wrote: I do so. You were too late as proposal 8050 passed, and pledges are no longer retractable. Fortunately that doesn't matter, as all your pledges were older than 60 days. Greetings, Ørjan. On Fri, Jun 15, 2018 at 9:02 AM, Ned Strange wrote: Without

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Testo Testerino

2018-06-24 Thread Ørjan Johansen
On Sun, 24 Jun 2018, Corona wrote: This was delivered to me from all three lists. Does Official work again? I didn't get the OFF one. Greetings, Ørjan.

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Election update

2018-06-23 Thread Ørjan Johansen
On Sat, 23 Jun 2018, Kerim Aydin wrote: - In terms of automation, a system would have to distinguish initial reports from replies-to-the-report both in subject lines or in messages. This is why I said the [officer] had to be the first thing on the subject line (to prevent "Re:" messages from

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Pledge handoff to Notary

2018-06-15 Thread Ørjan Johansen
Me too. Greetings, Ørjan. On Fri, 15 Jun 2018, Corona wrote: I'm in the same situation. ~Corona On Fri, Jun 15, 2018 at 10:53 PM, Aris Merchant < thoughtsoflifeandligh...@gmail.com> wrote: On Fri, Jun 15, 2018 at 1:48 PM Kerim Aydin wrote: On Fri, 15 Jun 2018, Aris Merchant wrote:

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Pledge handoff to Notary

2018-06-15 Thread Ørjan Johansen
I don't seem to have it. Greetings, Ørjan. On Fri, 15 Jun 2018, Aris Merchant wrote: Poll: Who has and hasn't received the email? Please reply, and we'll use the honor system. -Aris On Fri, Jun 15, 2018 at 1:43 PM Kerim Aydin wrote: On Fri, 15 Jun 2018, Aris Merchant wrote: Oops.

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Pledge handoff to Notary

2018-06-15 Thread Ørjan Johansen
On Fri, 15 Jun 2018, Cuddle Beam wrote: I'm paranoid. *adjusts tinfoil hat* Are you sure that's genuine tin, and not the aluminum substitute the world government has stealthily fooled nearly everyone into using? Greetings, Ørjan.

Re: DIS: Backup Script

2018-06-15 Thread Ørjan Johansen
On Fri, 15 Jun 2018, Kerim Aydin wrote: The main archives are loading the login page, but the login seems non-functional (at least, I can't log in). I got in to -business (the one I remember the password for) just fine. Greetings, Ørjan.

Re: DIS: Backup Script

2018-06-15 Thread Ørjan Johansen
On Thu, 14 Jun 2018, Kerim Aydin wrote: I was thinking that - especially noting that the mail-archive version seems to have screened out recent SLRs/FLRs (for size maybe?) FWIW, the last LR I received is from June 6, and I saw some discussion making me suspect I've missed a later one. But

Re: DIS: Draft: Anonymity Patch

2018-06-15 Thread Ørjan Johansen
On Thu, 14 Jun 2018, Aris Merchant wrote: Amend Rule 478, "Fora", by appending "In order for an action to be taken by sending a message, the message must include all information (such as the sender's identity) which is not generally available to players and is required to understand the

Re: DIS: Draft: Minimalist Contracts v2

2018-06-15 Thread Ørjan Johansen
On Thu, 14 Jun 2018, Aris Merchant wrote: Reenact Rule 1742, "Contracts", at power 2.5, with the following text: This title is a duplicate of 2520's. Greetings, Ørjan.

DIS: Mail server should be working better again

2018-06-15 Thread Ørjan Johansen
Forwarded message from omd: -- Forwarded message -- Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2018 21:48:56 -0700 From: comex To: Ørjan Johansen Subject: Re: Agora lists have problems Oh, crap… I didn't see this until now. Sorry! Some Python processes were in an infinite loop eating all the CPU

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: Late monthly Reports: ATMunn, Kenyon

2018-06-13 Thread Ørjan Johansen
On Wed, 13 Jun 2018, ATMunn wrote: Assuming I have incense, I apologize and spend 2 of it to make my blots disappear into oblivion. ...If that wording somehow doesn't work, I apologize and spend 2 incense to expunge my blots. It works, but it may not be what you wanted anyhow. Incense

Re: BAK: DIS: Re: [Assessor] Humiliations Galore

2018-06-13 Thread Ørjan Johansen
I sent omd an email. I don't think e's paying close attention as e's been extremely idle on IRC. Greetings, Ørjan. On Wed, 13 Jun 2018, Kerim Aydin wrote: On Wed, 13 Jun 2018, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus wrote: Did this copy bounce? That would be concerning. I appreciate the severe

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: Q*Bert movement for June week 1

2018-05-31 Thread Ørjan Johansen
, or * The message would be forwarded by you, but then there would need to be a way to verify not just that server message but also that you _hadn't_ made any other similar requests. Greetings, Ørjan. On Thu, May 31, 2018, 18:37 Ørjan Johansen wrote: (1) This seems like as good a time as any

DIS: Re: OFF: Q*Bert movement for June week 1

2018-05-31 Thread Ørjan Johansen
(1) This seems like as good a time as any to mention a pet peeve of mine: I'd prefer it if actions made with officer authority always included the [Officer] in the subject. I'd possibly prefer it to be re-added to the beginning even if it's already in a "Re: ..." part of the subject, because

DIS: Kenyon (Re: BUS: Missing Reports: Corona, Trigon, Kenyon, Murphy, V.J. Rada)

2018-05-31 Thread Ørjan Johansen
On Thu, 31 May 2018, Kerim Aydin wrote: Kenyon, for Rulekeepor (last Apr 7). 3 Blots (substantial impact on game, very very late), Unforgivable (no work in May). This is somewhat mysterious as e is posting to the list without reacting in any way to the punishments... Greetings, Ørjan.

DIS: Re: BUS: full zombie proposal

2018-05-31 Thread Ørjan Johansen
On Tue, 29 May 2018, Kerim Aydin wrote: [Accepted all of Aris's and Ørjan's comments - though I didn't re-write the culpability sentence I'll leave that for later broader rewrites]. If a active player who was a zombie has not received a Welcome Package since e most recently

DIS: Re: BUS: pledge simplifcation

2018-05-28 Thread Ørjan Johansen
On Sun, 27 May 2018, Kerim Aydin wrote: All pledges that existed as assets the instant before this Proposal took effect are considered to have been made as pledges under the current version of Rule 2450. This phrasing disturbs my platonic sense. Make them _actually_ be pledges, thank you.

DIS: Re: BUS: full zombie proto

2018-05-28 Thread Ørjan Johansen
On Sun, 27 May 2018, Kerim Aydin wrote: Proto: Zombie Overhaul v0.9, coauthor Aris: If a active player who was a zombie has not received a Welcome Package since e most recently ceased being a zombie, and if eir resale value was less than 2 at any point during eir most recent

Re: BUS: Re: DIS: reality check

2018-05-26 Thread Ørjan Johansen
On Sun, 27 May 2018, Cuddle Beam wrote: The unundead Running on ununennium... Greetings, Ørjan.

Re: DIS: reality check

2018-05-25 Thread Ørjan Johansen
On Fri, 25 May 2018, Kerim Aydin wrote: The age-old refugee problem - that's kind of like arguing about whether Battlestar Galactica starting a colony is a "true" continuation of its homeworld. IIRC (just from some conversations back then), even while in NW, FRC just wanted to play its own

Re: DIS: reality check

2018-05-25 Thread Ørjan Johansen
rought up again." Greetings, Ørjan. On Fri, 25 May 2018, Ørjan Johansen wrote: On Thu, 24 May 2018, Kerim Aydin wrote: FRC launched around Feb-Mar 1993 (it's listed with other committees in the "Seventh Month" summary here: http://www.nomic.net/deadgames/nomicworld/norrish/ whic

Re: DIS: reality check

2018-05-24 Thread Ørjan Johansen
On Thu, 24 May 2018, Kerim Aydin wrote: FRC launched around Feb-Mar 1993 (it's listed with other committees in the "Seventh Month" summary here: http://www.nomic.net/deadgames/nomicworld/norrish/ which matches my memory of writing the Nomic World committee rules over the 92-93 winter holidays).

DIS: Re: BUS: Update in Tailor election

2018-05-08 Thread Ørjan Johansen
On Tue, 8 May 2018, Kerim Aydin wrote: I act on behalf of omd: omd votes for ATMunn. I act on behalf of o: o votes for ATMunn. Did Agora just turn into Chicago? Greetings, Ørjan.

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: No Go - Proposal

2018-05-06 Thread Ørjan Johansen
! Greetings, Ørjan. ~Corona On Sun, May 6, 2018 at 10:54 PM, Ørjan Johansen <oer...@nvg.ntnu.no> wrote: On Sun, 6 May 2018, Corona wrote: Land Unit A is said to be connected to Land Unit B if it is possible to reach B by moving only to adjacent Land Units of the same Land Type, startin

DIS: Re: BUS: No Go - Proposal

2018-05-06 Thread Ørjan Johansen
On Sun, 6 May 2018, Corona wrote: Land Unit A is said to be connected to Land Unit B if it is possible to reach B by moving only to adjacent Land Units of the same Land Type, starting from A. Change "to" to "via", otherwise this does not allow you to go the last step to B if it's not the

DIS: Re: BUS: Finger Pointing

2018-05-01 Thread Ørjan Johansen
On Tue, 1 May 2018, Ned Strange wrote: There once was a man: V.J. Rada He made Agora slightly harder And only now do I learn I've been wrong about how to stress Agora all these years... Greetings, Ørjan.

Re: DIS: Land Unit Negligence Act

2018-04-30 Thread Ørjan Johansen
On Mon, 30 Apr 2018, Reuben Staley wrote: 1. Transfer all land units that have not had any of their switches flipped, have not had a facility built on them, and/or have not had any of its facility's switches flipped since the last Land Transfiguration event to

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Woofers and tweeters

2018-04-29 Thread Ørjan Johansen
On Sun, 29 Apr 2018, Kerim Aydin wrote: On Sun, 29 Apr 2018, Ned Strange wrote: N I was a second away from using my zombie to appoint myself speaker. Ørjan offered a theory that zombies CANNOT support anything - while it I don't think there's anything preventing the Zombie from

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Voting on Tailor

2018-04-29 Thread Ørjan Johansen
On Sun, 29 Apr 2018, Aris Merchant wrote: Per Rule 879, failing to state quorum is illegal but does not invalidate the decision. Although failing to state quorum is not quite the same thing as stating it incorrectly, so I'm not sure Rule 879 actually _says_ that it's not invalidated.

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Referee] Weekly Report

2018-04-29 Thread Ørjan Johansen
are in the message), my message had the same charset (EUC-KR) as the latest Registrar's Report, if you want to compare with that. (It's slightly different in also having a format: flowed parameter.) Greetings, Ørjan. On 4/28/2018 4:56 PM, Ørjan Johansen wrote: On Sat, 28 Apr 2018, ATMunn wrote

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Referee] Weekly Report

2018-04-28 Thread Ørjan Johansen
On Sat, 28 Apr 2018, Ørjan Johansen wrote: You might see the same weirdness with this message, since I'm also using Alpine, although the terminal version. Indeed that also got a weird header. In the terminal Alpine, there's a Posting Character Set option to override the autodetection

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Referee] Weekly Report

2018-04-28 Thread Ørjan Johansen
On Sat, 28 Apr 2018, ATMunn wrote: For some reason, this report and many of your other reports show up in a weird font for me. Does this happen to other people? Not to me (my terminal window only has the one font), but I suspect it has something with the Referee report's Content-Type:

DIS: Re: OFF: [Registrar] Weekly Report

2018-04-28 Thread Ørjan Johansen
On Fri, 27 Apr 2018, Kerim Aydin wrote: Players (19) (by Rule 869, Persons with 'Registered' Citizenship, z=zombie) Player Contact Registered -- --- --

DIS: Re: BUS: boo!

2018-04-28 Thread Ørjan Johansen
On Sat, 28 Apr 2018, Corona wrote: Yeah, might as well piggyback on this scare. I award myself a black ribbon. I act on behalf of Quazie to award em a black ribbon for the purpose of satisfying eir scare debt, flipping eir Boo Lien switch to FALSE. By the last Tailor Report of 12 Feb, Quazie

DIS: Re: BUS: boo!

2018-04-28 Thread Ørjan Johansen
On Fri, 27 Apr 2018, Kerim Aydin wrote: On behalf of omd, omd awards emself a black ribbon in order to satisfy eir scare debt (flpping eir boo lien switch to FALSE). By the last Tailor Report of 12 Feb, omd already has a black ribbon. Greetings, Ørjan.

Re: BUS: Re: DIS: doesn't THIS apply to "pay" without a destination?

2018-04-28 Thread Ørjan Johansen
On Fri, 27 Apr 2018, Kerim Aydin wrote: So if another rule says "you can do X by paying [without destination]", then since paying for it is an attempt to decrease your balance, that's a pretty strong implication that you do it by destroying it. And if you pay someone else, you're not doing

Re: DIS: the next financial tool

2018-04-27 Thread Ørjan Johansen
On Thu, 26 Apr 2018, Aris Merchant wrote: I'm sorry, but to me this really sounds lime you're talking about types of rule defined currency, not instances. This is especially clear because one can't have a set of instances that does not describe specific instances, which this one can't because

Re: DIS: Upgrading

2018-04-26 Thread Ørjan Johansen
ties." ~Corona On Thu, Apr 26, 2018 at 4:49 PM, Aris Merchant < thoughtsoflifeandligh...@gmail.com> wrote: On Thu, Apr 26, 2018 at 6:00 AM Kerim Aydin <ke...@u.washington.edu> wrote: On Thu, 26 Apr 2018, Ørjan Johansen wrote: On Thu, 26 Apr 2018, Aris Merchant wr

Re: DIS: the next financial tool

2018-04-26 Thread Ørjan Johansen
On Thu, 26 Apr 2018, Kerim Aydin wrote: (Useful for all kinds of upkeep costs) A switch is a Debt switch have possible values consisting of sets of Rules-defined currencies (the debt load), with a default of value of empty (0). I think something has been deleted in that sentence.

Re: DIS: Upgrading

2018-04-26 Thread Ørjan Johansen
On Thu, 26 Apr 2018, Kerim Aydin wrote: Something else fun: If an entity other than Agora owns any facilities with upkeep costs, e must pay them before the first day of the next Agoran month. If I paid once, two months ago, I've still paid them before the first day of

Re: DIS: Upgrading

2018-04-26 Thread Ørjan Johansen
On Thu, 26 Apr 2018, Aris Merchant wrote: Also, I like the multiset. The wording seems to me to be a clean, generic In my intuition, all multisets of assets are currently sets, because there are no *truly* identity-free assets. But it might be better for other people's intuition I guess.

Re: DIS: Upgrading

2018-04-26 Thread Ørjan Johansen
On Wed, 25 Apr 2018, Kerim Aydin wrote: I tried a version with general assets, if this is ugly can restrict to currencies... If the Rules associate payment of a non-empty set of assets (hereafter the fee for the action; syns: cost, price, charge) with performing an

Re: DIS: Nerf Zombies

2018-04-26 Thread Ørjan Johansen
On Thu, 26 Apr 2018, Ned Strange wrote: What was the scam? "paying" is currently a synonym for "transferring". The rule about upgrading facilities doesn't say that the payments have to be to Agora, so Corona just transferred back and forth with eir Zombie Quazie. Greetings, Ørjan.

Re: DIS: Upgrading

2018-04-25 Thread Ørjan Johansen
On Wed, 25 Apr 2018, Kerim Aydin wrote: On Wed, 25 Apr 2018, Ørjan Johansen wrote: On Wed, 25 Apr 2018, Kerim Aydin wrote: If the Rules associate a non-negative fee (syn: cost, price, charge), with an action, or state that an action CAN be performed by paying a fee

Re: DIS: Upgrading

2018-04-25 Thread Ørjan Johansen
On Wed, 25 Apr 2018, Kerim Aydin wrote: Proto : Let's really define payment solidly please, finally. Create the following Rule, Fee-based actions: If the Rules associate a non-negative fee (syn: cost, price, charge), with an action, or state that an action CAN be performed

Re: DIS: Upgrading

2018-04-25 Thread Ørjan Johansen
On Wed, 25 Apr 2018, Corona wrote: I was about to build something, but then I noticed: A player CAN increase the rank of a facility e owns that is at eir location by exactly 1 by announcement by paying any upgrade costs of the facility for that specific rank. What does "paying"

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Regkeepor] ACORN

2018-04-23 Thread Ørjan Johansen
On Mon, 23 Apr 2018, Ned Strange wrote: I repeal Regulation 1.1 I think those were all default values anyway. Greetings, Ørjan. On Mon, Apr 23, 2018 at 4:35 PM, Aris Merchant wrote: The ACORN (Agora Nomic Code of Regulations)

Re: DIS: Proto: Scarier public actions

2018-04-21 Thread Ørjan Johansen
:26 Ørjan Johansen <oer...@nvg.ntnu.no> wrote: That wasn't really my most important point. Greetings, Ørjan. On Sun, 22 Apr 2018, Reuben Staley wrote: Listen, Agoran language is confusing and has a long history. Since I've now gotten two complaints about switches, I'll get rid of tha

Re: DIS: Proto: Scarier public actions

2018-04-21 Thread Ørjan Johansen
:10 Ørjan Johansen <oer...@nvg.ntnu.no> wrote: On Sat, 21 Apr 2018, Reuben Staley wrote: I remember someone saying that scary public actions weren't enough compensation for all the power zombies provided. Thus: Title: Raising the stakes for zombies AI: 2 Author: Trigon Co-authors: Create

Re: DIS: Proto: Scarier public actions

2018-04-21 Thread Ørjan Johansen
On Sat, 21 Apr 2018, Reuben Staley wrote: I remember someone saying that scary public actions weren't enough compensation for all the power zombies provided. Thus: Title: Raising the stakes for zombies AI: 2 Author: Trigon Co-authors: Create a new rule, power 2, "Zombie Networks" with text:

DIS: Re: BUS: Zombie CFJs and Finger pointing

2018-04-19 Thread Ørjan Johansen
On Thu, 19 Apr 2018, Kerim Aydin wrote: At least that was the direct and specific intent when I wrote it - I intended illegal actions on behalf of zombies to fail because they weren't "allowed", therefore blocking the CAN in R2466. Intent doesn't always mean much, and I can see that the link

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