Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: Severe email problems

2017-09-12 Thread Ørjan Johansen
On Mon, 11 Sep 2017, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus wrote: I am still interested, but I would like to note to ais, that I did not receive his original message to which you are replying. Ironically ais523 always has problems with your messages being spam filtered, but his email workaround

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Distribution of Proposals 7876-7898 [sic]

2017-09-11 Thread Ørjan Johansen
On Mon, 11 Sep 2017, Gaelan Steele wrote: Why the switcheroo on university funding? E's circumventing eir own pledge. Not very good at holding a grudge I guess. :P Greetings, Ørjan.

Re: DIS: [Proto] The Lint Screen

2017-09-11 Thread Ørjan Johansen
On Mon, 11 Sep 2017, Gaelan Steele wrote: {{{ The Lint Screen is a singleton switch, tracked by the [Rulekeepor/Promotor] with possible values including all lists of text. The items in theIt SHOULD contain a list of common errors in proposals. "theIt"? Maybe add something about silly

Re: DIS: [very early proto/idea] Inter-Nomic Currency

2017-09-11 Thread Ørjan Johansen
On Mon, 11 Sep 2017, Cuddle Beam wrote: Also, I've found this as a public paste on Pastebin a while ago which suggests that there is another Nomic out there, although I haven't been able to find it (or the coup never happened): https://pastebin.com/dEwyiMRq I've never heard of it but I

DIS: Re: BUS: Shiny Weather

2017-09-11 Thread Ørjan Johansen
On Sun, 10 Sep 2017, Kerim Aydin wrote: Determining the weather to be Improving sets the Supply Level 25% higher (rounded down). Determining the Supply Level to be Deteriorating sets the Supply Level 25% lower (rounded up). I think you mispled one "weather" as "Supply Level".

DIS: Re: BUS: Card Reform and Expansion v2

2017-09-09 Thread Ørjan Johansen
On Fri, 8 Sep 2017, Aris Merchant wrote: Amend Rule 2474, "Green Cards", to read in full: A Green Card is a type of Card that is appropriate for minor, accidental, and/or inconsequential infraction. A Green Card is also appropriate for any infraction for which no other type of Card is

DIS: Re: BUS: Card Reform and Expansion v2

2017-09-09 Thread Ørjan Johansen
On Fri, 8 Sep 2017, Aris Merchant wrote: When a player Points a Finger, the investigator SHALL investigate the allegation and, in a timely fashion, SHALL conclude the investigation by: - issuing a Card to the pointed-at person by announcement whose reason is rooted in the allegation;

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Proposal] Restraining Bolt

2017-09-09 Thread Ørjan Johansen
On Fri, 8 Sep 2017, Aris Merchant wrote: I don't think this one is needed, because the definition of distribution resolves to an Agoran decision initiation, described as a publishing action elsewhere. In fact adding "by announcement" might do more harm than good. It shouldn't do any harm as

DIS: Re: BUS: [Proposal] Restraining Bolt

2017-09-09 Thread Ørjan Johansen
On Sat, 9 Sep 2017, Owen Jacobson wrote: {{{ In a timely fashion after the start of June 1 of each year, the Herald SHALL propose a set of Regulations governing a Birthday Tournament for that year; the Herald CAN also delegate the responsibility for creating or

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: Mother, Can I?

2017-09-09 Thread Ørjan Johansen
On Sat, 9 Sep 2017, Owen Jacobson wrote: Rule 2431 doesn't seem to restrict where specifications can be made. "With Agoran Consent" is sufficient to restrict this to being done via the public fora, because rule 1728 specifies that an action with that constraint can be done by announcement

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: Mother, Can I?

2017-09-08 Thread Ørjan Johansen
On Sat, 9 Sep 2017, VJ Rada wrote: ninja'd *MWAHAHAHA* On Sat, 9 Sep 2017, VJ Rada wrote: "Using existing terminology (I hope correctly), an action which CAN be performed, if the rules impose no other constraints, can be done in any way at all" Here's a list (it's quite short) of CANs

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: Mother, Can I?

2017-09-08 Thread Ørjan Johansen
On Sat, 9 Sep 2017, VJ Rada wrote: Nope the text for CAN is this: " CAN: Attempts to perform the described action are successful.". That's all. So this is just mirroring that. If you want to make an argument that you can do anything with a CAN in private, sure. Hm so searching for CAN...

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: MAYS that should be CANS PLEASE READ THIS WE'RE SO FUCKED

2017-09-08 Thread Ørjan Johansen
On Sat, 9 Sep 2017, VJ Rada wrote: I looked through every MAY, there's no probs having it imply CAN in all cases. Hm looks like you're right. I guess the need for the opposite is so rare it can just be written more explicitly. Greetings, Ørjan.

DIS: Re: BUS: MAYS that should be CANS PLEASE READ THIS WE'RE SO FUCKED

2017-09-08 Thread Ørjan Johansen
On Sat, 9 Sep 2017, VJ Rada wrote: I already looked through these and posted a less elaborate list, although: "A Reward is a specified amount of shinies associated with a Reward Condition. For each time a player meets a Reward Condition, e MAY claim the specified award exactly once within 24

Re: DIS: Shinies and Stamps Omnibus Fix Thread

2017-09-08 Thread Ørjan Johansen
On Fri, 8 Sep 2017, Owen Jacobson wrote: 1a. Whatever fix we undertake should _not_ somehow resurrect actions we had all understood, within the context of that mistaken reading of the rules, to be ineffective or impossible at the time they were performed. There are a few shiny transactions

DIS: Re: BUS: [Thesis] Agoran Offices: Should there be more of them?

2017-09-08 Thread Ørjan Johansen
On Fri, 8 Sep 2017, Owen Jacobson wrote: P.S. Yellow Card apology word lists appear to have the same MAY/CAN bug. I don't think that counts, because "specify" is a common sense ability that persons have naturally. Greetings, Ørjan.

DIS: Re: BUS: Floating Intent attempt

2017-09-08 Thread Ørjan Johansen
On Fri, 8 Sep 2017, Kerim Aydin wrote: I intend, without objection, to ratify the following document: { On Mon Sep 4 21:49:56 UTC 2017, the Floating Value was set to 16. } Hm, I've recently been thinking about ratification a bit, and this happens to hit one of my quibbles. When a

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: not-buying a not-stamp

2017-09-08 Thread Ørjan Johansen
On Fri, 8 Sep 2017, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus wrote: Rule 2467 may not enable creating Agencies - that's a "MAY", so I'm a bit surprised no one seems to have picked up on this. If "may"s are a problem, amendment, revocation and use is also impossible. This is resolved because of

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Thesis] Agoran Offices: Should there be more of them?

2017-09-08 Thread Ørjan Johansen
On Fri, 8 Sep 2017, Cuddle Beam wrote: Proto: Royal Flush When you possess all different card colors, you win the game OK I laughed. Greetings, Ørjan, who never lols though.

DIS: Re: BUS: not-buying a not-stamp

2017-09-08 Thread Ørjan Johansen
On Fri, 8 Sep 2017, Kerim Aydin wrote: I transfer to Agora the Stamp Value, in shinies, to create a Stamp. I know this is very likely impossible, I'm not trying to mislead anyone. But if we ratify everything to what would-have-been, I want my cheap stamp. I'll just note that the currently

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [CFJ] Stamp destruction

2017-09-07 Thread Ørjan Johansen
On Fri, 8 Sep 2017, Owen Jacobson wrote: This appears to be more valid, though I’ll still need to sanity-check it. Notably, several rewards which I had previously thought would be invalidated are instead permitted. I’ve still avoided breaking any proposals or CFJs, but given the duration, I

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [CFJ] Stamp destruction

2017-09-07 Thread Ørjan Johansen
On Fri, 8 Sep 2017, Cuddle Beam wrote: So the mass-stamp destruction scam did work? Even if the MAYs were to be ignored, your attempts still would fail for the other reasons, although Gaelan Steele's attempt might have worked. Greetings, Ørjan.

Re: DIS: Proto: Cards are liquid Assets

2017-09-07 Thread Ørjan Johansen
A previous economic system included a currency, Blots, which could be spent to resolve penalties early. When I was around, the currency was Indulgences, and Blots were the penalties you could remove with them. (At one point the definition was 1 Blot = -1 Indulgence, but that was changed

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Assessor] Resolution of Proposal(s) 7869-7871

2017-09-07 Thread Ørjan Johansen
On Fri, 8 Sep 2017, VJ Rada wrote: "Since the rule now _has_ been assigned a number, does that mean this rule change fails due to ambiguity?" No because "currently" refers to when the proposal was promulgated and it is abundantly clear which rule I mean: there is only one "Rewards" with the

DIS: Re: OFF: [Assessor] Resolution of Proposal(s) 7869-7871

2017-09-07 Thread Ørjan Johansen
On Thu, 7 Sep 2017, nichdel wrote: In the rule currently not assigned a number called "Rewards", replace the text {{ * Publishing a duty-fulfilling report: 5 shinies.}} with {{ *Publishing a duty-fulfilling report: 5 shinies. This reward can be claimed a maximum of once per office per week

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [QAZ][ADoP] Metareport

2017-09-06 Thread Ørjan Johansen
NTTPF On Wed, 6 Sep 2017, V.J Rada wrote: I point my finger at Quazie for never resolving this CoE. I accept this CoE. On Fri, Aug 25, 2017 at 4:29 AM, Nic Evans wrote: On 08/21/17 18:46, Owen Jacobson wrote: Through the mechanism described in the agency “Quazie’s

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [ADoP] Resolving Herald Election

2017-09-06 Thread Ørjan Johansen
NTTPF On Wed, 6 Sep 2017, V.J Rada wrote: This is not correct. The quorum was 3.0 as the most recently assessed proposal had 5 voters. The outcome is FAILED QUORUM and PSS remains Herald anyway. On Wed, Sep 6, 2017 at 4:36 PM, V.J Rada wrote: I deputize for ADoP. I

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: Initiating elections.

2017-09-06 Thread Ørjan Johansen
NTTPF On Wed, 6 Sep 2017, V.J Rada wrote: For the Herald, I vote PSS. For the Prime Minister, I vote for myself. For the ADoP, I vote for myself. For the Reportor, I endorse the first person to vote non-conditionally for a player. On Wed, Sep 6, 2017 at 4:51 PM, V.J Rada

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Deregistration (of others)

2017-09-05 Thread Ørjan Johansen
NTTPF Greetings, Ørjan. On Wed, 6 Sep 2017, V.J Rada wrote: Finally I intend to deregister sproklem w/o objection

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: Crowdsourcing the reportor (and [Reportor] Report)

2017-09-05 Thread Ørjan Johansen
quazie (or anyone else) can always state 24 hours notice for amending or destroying the agency in a way that doesn't make me own quazie, but that will still leave a small time window in which I own quazie. On Wed, Sep 6, 2017 at 2:27 PM, Ørjan Johansen <oer...@nvg.ntnu.no> wrote: On Wed, 6 Sep

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: Crowdsourcing the reportor (and [Reportor] Report)

2017-09-05 Thread Ørjan Johansen
On Wed, 6 Sep 2017, Quazie wrote: I rescind the quoted intent. I retract the quoted intent. I don't think Rule 1728 pays any attention to such retractions. Greetings, Ørjan.

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: I take an action

2017-09-05 Thread Ørjan Johansen
On Wed, 6 Sep 2017, Cuddle Beam wrote: Actually, is being non-registered a requirement to register? Couldn't registered people just... Register again? Wasn't there a CFJ about this recently? Or was that just discussion. Greetings, Ørjan.

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Arbitor] Appeal of CFJ 3537

2017-09-01 Thread Ørjan Johansen
On Fri, 1 Sep 2017, Alex Smith wrote: player has pledged not to judge a CFJ. ihope (who changed names several times, and I think might now be Tanner Swett, although I'm not 100% sure on that) pledged not to judge CFJ 1984. There was some movement to Latest Registrar's Report lists em as

DIS: Re: BUS: Routine deregistations

2017-08-27 Thread Ørjan Johansen
On Sun, 27 Aug 2017, Aris Merchant wrote: I don't think I ever did this. For each intent where it is possible, I do so. The actor SHOULD publish a list of supporters if the action depends on support, and a list of objectors if it depends on objections. Greetings, Ørjan.

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Arbitor] CFJ 3556 assigned to G.

2017-08-25 Thread Ørjan Johansen
On Sat, 26 Aug 2017, Alex Smith wrote: Cuddlebeam can't retract a CFJ /I/ called. Oops. I got confused by all the similar CFJs flying around. Greetings, Ørjan.

DIS: Re: OFF: [Arbitor] CFJ 3556 assigned to G.

2017-08-25 Thread Ørjan Johansen
On Sat, 26 Aug 2017, Alex Smith wrote: I now CFJ: "Cuddlebeam has a Platinum Ribbon". I call for judgement on the statement "Cuddlebeam has a Platinum Ribbon", by spending 1 Action Point. I assign the resulting CFJ the ID number 3556, and assign it to Cuddlebeam. Work your way through your

DIS: Re: OFF: [Rulekeepor] Corrected FLR

2017-08-25 Thread Ørjan Johansen
On Thu, 24 Aug 2017, Gaelan Steele wrote: THE FULL LOGICAL RULESET Could you please rewrap the extra-long lines in (at least) rules 2166, 2493, 2494, 2464, 2459, 2489, 2491, 2483, 2497 and 2495? Greetings, Ørjan.

Re: OFF: [Arbitor] Re: BUS: Re: DIS: Fun fact

2017-08-24 Thread Ørjan Johansen
On Fri, 25 Aug 2017, Alex Smith wrote: Luckily, your CFJ isn't valid; you can't call a CFJ nowadays without paying for it. So it hasn't actually been called yet. Also luckily, we still have some vestiges of the old officer system in which officers had, in lieu of pay, a certain allowance for

DIS: Re: BUS: [AVM] Destruction

2017-08-16 Thread Ørjan Johansen
On Wed, 16 Aug 2017, Owen Jacobson wrote: I flip my Balance switch with the Agoran Voting Market to zero. I think you mean "Budget". Greetings, Ørjan.

DIS: Re: BUS: Not dead

2017-08-16 Thread Ørjan Johansen
On Wed, 16 Aug 2017, Owen Jacobson wrote: For each of the following, I point the finger at myself: Actually, only the first one works, see Rule 2478, last paragraph. Greetings, Ørjan.

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Surveyor] August Estate Auction

2017-08-08 Thread Ørjan Johansen
On Tue, 8 Aug 2017, Alex Smith wrote: We could do with an auction system that didn't incentivise everyone to bid at the last moment. 6:18 am in the morning (local time) is not a great time for timing scams. The simple solution: "Each auction ends seven days after it begins, or four days

DIS: Re: BUS: [Superintendent] Weekly Report

2017-08-07 Thread Ørjan Johansen
On Mon, 7 Aug 2017, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus wrote: Superintendent's Weekly Report Reports should customarily be sent to official, not business. Greetings, Ørjan.

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Reportor] Weekly Report

2017-08-01 Thread Ørjan Johansen
On Tue, 1 Aug 2017, Owen Jacobson wrote: On Jul 30, 2017, at 11:43 PM, V.J Rada wrote: Title: I can't believe I get paid for this Weekly Times. Reportor notices own position is sinecure, refuses to work--- This is awfully close to violating one of

Re: DIS: Proto Proposal: Hodgepodge

2017-07-31 Thread Ørjan Johansen
On Mon, 31 Jul 2017, V.J Rada wrote: In rule 1728, entitled "Dependant Actions" "Dependent". Greetings, Ørjan.

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Arbitor] CFJ 3537 reassigned to o

2017-07-29 Thread Ørjan Johansen
My terminal email reader shows no formatting distinction between the new and old parts of your message. As such, until I read more carefully, I was about to complain that it was now too late for you to move to reconsideration. It is possible that the raw html format version contains some kind

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Arbitor] CFJs 3544, 3545 assigned to Aris

2017-07-27 Thread Ørjan Johansen
On Thu, 27 Jul 2017, Alex Smith wrote: Ugh, you're right, looks like I forgot to add that to my records when I assign it. The assignment of ID 3545 worked, the assignment of 3544 to Publius Scribonius Scholasticus's CFJ didn't. Given that CFJ IDs are _entirely_ unregulated, I'm not sure

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Secretary] Weekly Report

2017-07-27 Thread Ørjan Johansen
On Wed, 26 Jul 2017, Owen Jacobson wrote: On Jul 26, 2017, at 9:48 PM, Nic Evans wrote: CoE: Gaelan paid me 2 shinies (through GII, when I published the Rulekeepor report). Note the report’s effective date. (Sorry - I was out of town on short notice.) That payment will

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: humble agoran farmer gives a win to everyone and then hopes to be given one too.

2017-07-20 Thread Ørjan Johansen
On Fri, 21 Jul 2017, Alex Smith wrote: On Thu, 2017-07-20 at 22:11 -0400, Owen Jacobson wrote: Attempting, as Cuddlebeam explicitly did, to issue Trust Tokens on behalf of others, without even the faintest attempt to find justification in the rules, is plainly and obviously an intentional

DIS: Re: BUS: Judgment on CFJ 3541

2017-07-20 Thread Ørjan Johansen
On Thu, 20 Jul 2017, grok (caleb vines) wrote: There is some ambiguity of what, exactly, a nickel is. Common knowledge tells us it is a metal, but one would rarely refer to an amount of nickel as "a nickel" without qualification--a lump of nickel, or a vein, or an atom. Nickel is ultimately an

Re: DIS: [Proto] Vexity (was Re: humble agoran farmer attempts a stick-up.)

2017-07-18 Thread Ørjan Johansen
On Tue, 18 Jul 2017, Owen Jacobson wrote: If a person's Vexity is zero, the Referee may increase that person's Vexity with 1 Agoran Support. Otherwise, the Referee may increase that person's Vexity with N Agoran Support, where N is the present value of the Vexity switch for the

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Assessor] Resolution of Proposal(s) 7865-7866

2017-07-17 Thread Ørjan Johansen
. Publius Scribonius Scholasticus p.scribonius.scholasti...@gmail.com On Jul 17, 2017, at 11:52 AM, Ørjan Johansen <oer...@nvg.ntnu.no> wrote: On Sun, 16 Jul 2017, nichdel wrote: I deputise as Assessor to resolve the decisions to adopt proposals 7865-7866. Agora are ADOPTED (*), RE

DIS: Re: OFF: [Assessor] Resolution of Proposal(s) 7865-7866

2017-07-17 Thread Ørjan Johansen
On Sun, 16 Jul 2017, nichdel wrote: I deputise as Assessor to resolve the decisions to adopt proposals 7865-7866. Agora are ADOPTED (*), REJECTED (x), and FAILED QUORUM (!). If a decision's voting period is still ongoing, I end it immediately before resolving it and after resolving the

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: CFJ judgement

2017-07-17 Thread Ørjan Johansen
But there's no pun in that. (Also, product[1..x] is shorter.addict>) Greetings, Ørjan. On Mon, 17 Jul 2017, Josh T wrote: I kind of prefer fact x = foldl (*) 1 [1..x] myself. 天火狐 On 16 July 2017 at 11:16, Ørjan Johansen <oer...@nvg.ntnu.no> wrote: On Sun, 16 Jul 2017, V.J Rada wr

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: CFJ judgement

2017-07-16 Thread Ørjan Johansen
On Sun, 16 Jul 2017, V.J Rada wrote: fun fact: i'm dumb fun fact 0 = 1 | fact n = n * fact (n - 1) Greetings, Ørjan.

Re: BUS: Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Reportor] News of Agora

2017-07-10 Thread Ørjan Johansen
Curiously, rule 2201 §2.1 doesn't use either "publish" or "announce(ment)", so I'm not sure you actually need to do that in the PF. Greetings, Ørjan. On Mon, 10 Jul 2017, V.J Rada wrote: Tttpf On Monday, July 10, 2017, V.J Rada wrote: I reject your CoE. The name of the

Re: DIS: We actually have no Officeholders.

2017-07-09 Thread Ørjan Johansen
On Sun, 9 Jul 2017, Cuddle Beam wrote: Additionally, such a Ratification would've attempted to Ratify the Ruleset (as in, the whole Ruleset), at once. But it wouldn't have been able to happen, because, " The number of the new rule cannot be specified by the enacting instrument; any attempt to

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Thesis "Spivak Culture" Submission (Attn. Herald)

2017-07-08 Thread Ørjan Johansen
On Sat, 8 Jul 2017, V.J Rada wrote: I just said the exact same with regard to your second point lmao. Oops. Me and responding as I read... :P Greetings, Ørjan.

DIS: Re: BUS: Thesis "Spivak Culture" Submission (Attn. Herald)

2017-07-08 Thread Ørjan Johansen
On Sat, 8 Jul 2017, Cuddle Beam wrote: This is my official submission of my Thesis "Spivak Culture". Hm. The current thesis process seems to be very loosely described with few "official" parts. I guess this is still the peer-review stage (which the Herald is supposed to coordinate).

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Arbitor] CFJ 3538 assigned to omd

2017-07-07 Thread Ørjan Johansen
On Fri, 7 Jul 2017, Quazie wrote: I point my finger at omd for breaking rule 478 by temporarily, and accidently, taking down the mailing lists on or around the 21st of June. I recommend a Green Card as I am just testing eir open question in the above judgement That would be more than 14 days

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Tailor] Ribbon Report

2017-07-06 Thread Ørjan Johansen
On Thu, 6 Jul 2017, Alex Smith wrote: On Thu, 2017-07-06 at 21:24 +0200, Ørjan Johansen wrote: COE: I do believe you awarded me a Magenta one (with ~95 minutes to  spare). I did. (Although I had a week to do so; the acknowledgement of the Birthday has to happen on the Birthday, the Ribbon

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: CFJ 3537 assigned to V.J. Rada

2017-07-06 Thread Ørjan Johansen
NttPF. Greetings, Ørjan. On Thu, 6 Jul 2017, V.J Rada wrote: I move reconsideration. I recuse myself. On Thursday, July 6, 2017, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus < p.scribonius.scholasti...@googlemail.com> wrote: TTttPF Publius Scribonius Scholasticus

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: humble agoran farmer gets ribbons and holds auctions

2017-07-04 Thread Ørjan Johansen
On Tue, 4 Jul 2017, Quazie wrote: Ørjan - would you be interested in me making an agency that allows you to point my finger- Your insight is always welcome, and why not allow you to weild a finger. Thanks, but not really. Greetings, Ørjan.

DIS: Re: BUS: humble agoran farmer gets ribbons and holds auctions

2017-07-04 Thread Ørjan Johansen
On Tue, 4 Jul 2017, CuddleBeam wrote: I award myself a White Ribbon (I've been registered for more than 30 days. I registered on the 30th of May). The 30 days only apply when giving one to someone else. The rest of your message makes me wonder what's the point where something's so obviously

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Complete Shiny Economy Overhaul

2017-07-02 Thread Ørjan Johansen
On Sun, 2 Jul 2017, Alex Smith wrote: Create a new rule, "Assisted Actions", at power 2, with the following text: {{{ If a rule states that a person can perform an action as an "assisted action", that means that that person can perform that action: 1. By announcement, if that person has not

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Arbitor] Appeal of CFJ 3534; go vote!

2017-07-02 Thread Ørjan Johansen
On Sun, 2 Jul 2017, omd wrote: Oh, and I'd say Unicode basically doesn't matter, only visual appearance in common email clients. The following text: { ‮‭I do X.‬ ‭I do Y.‬‬ } uses the Unicode control characters LRO, RLO, and PDF; a pseudo-HTML equivalent would be: { I do X. I do Y. } In other

Re: DIS: Thesis: Spivak Culture

2017-07-01 Thread Ørjan Johansen
On Sat, 1 Jul 2017, CuddleBeam wrote: I have never written a thesis in English, neither have I ever written a thesis based on Humanities like this lol. I hope I did alright. The formatting (as seen in the plain text version/in a terminal mail reader) could use a couple improvements: * Too

Re: DIS: What's the Power of a cultural touchstone?

2017-06-30 Thread Ørjan Johansen
On Fri, 30 Jun 2017, Owen Jacobson wrote: I propose that the use of Spivak pronouns, and the use of English, are cultural norms entrenched so deeply that, in a conflict between the rules of Agora and these norms, players will defer to those norms. That suggests that _changing_ those norms -

Re: Re: DIS: What's the Power of a cultural touchstone?

2017-06-30 Thread Ørjan Johansen
On Fri, 30 Jun 2017, CuddleBeam wrote: Makes for an interesting example to compare Agora to. I'll see if I can dredge the webmail archives to see how Agoran use of Spivak has arisen and evolved. Culture is interesting. Spivak use was already in Agora's original ruleset

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Language Trophies

2017-06-29 Thread Ørjan Johansen
On Thu, 29 Jun 2017, Alex Smith wrote: A long time back there was a tradition of using -keepor for an office that kept records about something (e.g. Rulekeepor). I don't know all the details of the history there; it's possible that Ørjan does, or perhaps some other player from that era. I

Re: DIS: PROTO: Criminal Justice Reform

2017-06-29 Thread Ørjan Johansen
On Thu, 29 Jun 2017, Owen Jacobson wrote: Each player who, on the date this proposal is enacted, owes an Apology on a Yellow Card shall be assumed, for all purposes, to have Apologized correctly and completely, on the date this proposal is enacted. I suspect this will not work,

Re: DIS: Decoding attempt

2017-06-29 Thread Ørjan Johansen
On Thu, 29 Jun 2017, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus wrote: How many languages do you speak? More generally for everyone, what languages do you speak? Norwegian (native), English (reasonably fluent, I hope), Swedish (as well as any Norwegian can fake it), Danish (ditto, which is slightly

DIS: Decoding attempt

2017-06-29 Thread Ørjan Johansen
After googling a bit, here's my attempt using http://www.assyrianlanguages.org/akkadian/search.php and https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Akkadian: Orig. transcription Dictionary lookup Suggested translation šumma našpartamrāqtam szumma naszparturaqu If message-acc

Re: DIS: Most Welcome

2017-06-28 Thread Ørjan Johansen
On Wed, 28 Jun 2017, Owen Jacobson wrote: I’m rather more pleased than you might have expected to see that Perth’s location is -correctly- noted in both maps. The first ASCII map I remember I think was someone's USENET signature. It was also of Australia, and Perth was the _only_ thing

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Elections

2017-06-27 Thread Ørjan Johansen
On Tue, 27 Jun 2017, Quazie wrote: You aren't the ADOP, so you would need instead 4 support, but I'll get to those elections shortly - don't worry Hum, it's not clear from the text of Rule 2154 that e cannot do that: 1. by announcement, if e is the ADoP, if the office has been

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: pointless (has this been tried before?)

2017-06-20 Thread Ørjan Johansen
On Tue, 20 Jun 2017, grok (caleb vines) wrote: Those solutions make the ruleset a little easier (read: prevents us humanities majors from having to know what octonian space and lattice points are). You don't have to know what it is, but you _do_ have to spell it correctly. Greetings,

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: It's been a while.

2017-06-20 Thread Ørjan Johansen
On Tue, 20 Jun 2017, grok (caleb vines) wrote: oof, also my apologies for the walls of text. i'm playing with gmail's plain text editor and the input box doesn't automatically line break for me. those paragraphs are...denser than expected. For what it's worth, I did not consider there to be

DIS: Re: BUS: humble agoran farmer lottery

2017-06-15 Thread Ørjan Johansen
On Thu, 15 Jun 2017, Aris Merchant wrote: I also object. -Aris Your objection is also not clear whether you are objecting just to V.J Rada's change or also to Cuddlebeam's. Greetings, Ørjan. On Thu, Jun 15, 2017 at 3:55 PM Publius Scribonius Scholasticus <

DIS: Re: BUS: humble agoran farmer lottery

2017-06-15 Thread Ørjan Johansen
On Thu, 15 Jun 2017, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus wrote: I object. Publius Scribonius Scholasticus p.scribonius.scholasti...@gmail.com I note that the message you quoted contains within it _two_ attempted lottery rule changes, and you are not making it clear whether you are

DIS: Re: OFF: [Secretary] Payday (revision 2)

2017-06-14 Thread Ørjan Johansen
On Wed, 14 Jun 2017, Owen Jacobson wrote: Sprocklem 10 天火狐 10 The 10 after 天火狐 isn't lined up with the rest. I'm viewing with a monospaced font and all three CJK characters are double width, which ISTR someone said was right. Greetings,

Re: DIS: Not dead

2017-06-09 Thread Ørjan Johansen
On Fri, 9 Jun 2017, Owen Jacobson wrote: Hi folks, Sorry about the extended absence at a bad moment. I’m catching up, but I’m about 550 messages behind - bids and estates are a priority. Then I plan to issue myself a Card for the offices I’ve neglected before stepping down as Referee.

DIS: Re: BUS: Decorating

2017-06-08 Thread Ørjan Johansen
On Thu, 8 Jun 2017, Edward Murphy wrote: I award myself a White Ribbon. (According to the latest Tailor's report, I haven't had one since Rule 2438 was adopted.) Have you had one before that? I'm pretty sure the "under previous rulesets" wording in 2438 is intended to disallow your action,

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal and CFJs

2017-06-06 Thread Ørjan Johansen
On Mon, 5 Jun 2017, Kerim Aydin wrote: Is there a different proposal out there that's removing the entire Junta thing (e.g. the Black-Ribbon granting powers, Patent Titles, and so forth)? I suppose we could wait for the munificence of our Dear Leader and hope e does a self-repeal, but I prefer

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Proposal] Judicial Reform

2017-05-31 Thread Ørjan Johansen
On Wed, 31 May 2017, Gaelan Steele wrote: On May 31, 2017, at 12:03 PM, Ørjan Johansen <oer...@nvg.ntnu.no> wrote: Probably. The error message doesn't say _why_ it doesn't verify, so it might also be some mismatch with the message I guess (does the data include the Subject:?)

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Proposal] Judicial Reform

2017-05-31 Thread Ørjan Johansen
On Wed, 31 May 2017, Gaelan Steele wrote: However, your messages curiously often makes Alpine give a loud beep and a complaint that their signature doesn't verify... I sign my messages with a self-signed cert, which probably doesn't help. Probably. The error message doesn't say _why_ it

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Proposal] Judicial Reform

2017-05-31 Thread Ørjan Johansen
On Wed, 31 May 2017, grok (caleb vines) wrote: On Wed, May 31, 2017 at 4:23 AM, Ørjan Johansen <oer...@nvg.ntnu.no> wrote: On Tue, 30 May 2017, grok (caleb vines) wrote: I did write that message on mobile--happily willing to blame my phone assuming this email looks correct. Defi

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Proposal] Judicial Reform

2017-05-31 Thread Ørjan Johansen
On Wed, 31 May 2017, Gaelan Steele wrote: I'm not causing any trouble, am I? I'm using Apple Mail. You seem to top post, which makes it harder to break things _too_ horribly - and I say this despite preferring inline commenting when it's properly formatted. However, your messages

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Proposal] Judicial Reform

2017-05-31 Thread Ørjan Johansen
On Wed, 31 May 2017, Ørjan Johansen wrote: Someone nuke gmail headquarters, please. Sorry I snapped, but it looks to me like half of the gmail-users have individually different garbled email formats, with my strategy for finding the unquoted parts of each of them failing on the next, my

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Proposal] Judicial Reform

2017-05-31 Thread Ørjan Johansen
On Tue, 30 May 2017, grok (caleb vines) wrote: And lots of the other things G. mentioned earlier in this thread. [No distinction between quoted and unquoted parts, whatsoever, in either version] A minor suggestion from an observer: you could use slightly kinder language on those dismissal

Re: Re: DIS: Re: BUS: This isn't what I thought it would be

2017-05-29 Thread Ørjan Johansen
On Tue, 30 May 2017, CuddleBeam wrote: Gah. Oh well. How would you put it? I'm digging a hole for myself, nvm, sorry So was I. Sorry. Greetings, Ørjan.

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: This isn't what I thought it would be

2017-05-29 Thread Ørjan Johansen
On Tue, 30 May 2017, CuddleBeam wrote: man saying that so stale makes me sound like a huge dick. ok so BASICALLY: -Dude it sucks that you have to leave -I'm not sorry about doing what I'm doing though -I want us both to play *together* in our *own way* and be HAPPY. Hopefully in the future

Re: Re: DIS: Re: BUS: humble agoran farmer is a humble agoran farmer

2017-05-28 Thread Ørjan Johansen
On Sun, 28 May 2017, Kerim Aydin wrote: On Mon, 29 May 2017, Ørjan Johansen wrote: Note that only withdrawals by the Objector emself count. Greetings, Ørjan. snap! I feel so redundant. Also, still waiting for you to snap and use the term ISIDTID. Greetings, Ørjan.

Re: Re: DIS: Re: BUS: humble agoran farmer is a humble agoran farmer

2017-05-28 Thread Ørjan Johansen
On Mon, 29 May 2017, CuddleBeam wrote: So I can just do the unregulated action of "I withdraw your objection" (would my proof of "all actions are regulation actions or not actions" not work) From rule 2124: An Objector to a

DIS: Re: OFF: [Registrar] Weekly Report

2017-05-28 Thread Ørjan Johansen
On Sun, 28 May 2017, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus wrote: The IRC channel does not require subscription; set your IRC client to server irc.freenode.net, port 6667, channel ##nomic, and whatever nickname you like. There are, of course, various variations of this that also work. (I

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [ADoP] Initiating Elections Again (Referee, ADoP, Registrar)

2017-05-27 Thread Ørjan Johansen
On Sun, 28 May 2017, Aris Merchant wrote: On Sat, May 27, 2017 at 6:13 PM Ørjan Johansen <oer...@nvg.ntnu.no> wrote: I have recently started wondering if all the new players using "endorse" know what it customarily means in Agora. Especially since the term is no longer defi

Re: DIS: Email formatting again

2017-05-27 Thread Ørjan Johansen
On Sat, 27 May 2017, Kerim Aydin wrote: Ugh, I see it now in the wrapping of the reply below. My screen's well past 100 wide, and I aim for 70ish but sometimes without any guide marks I unconsciously match whatever I'm replying to ... Sorry... I don't know how web Alpine is different, but

DIS: Email formatting again

2017-05-27 Thread Ørjan Johansen
On Sat, 27 May 2017, Kerim Aydin wrote: This is what happened during the earliest crisis in Nomic World, the Lindrum World Crisis (I won't write about that because there are documents out there, but I can summarize separately if desired). When two groups disagree on some fundamental

DIS: Re: BUS: [Thesis] Actions in Nomic

2017-05-27 Thread Ørjan Johansen
On Sat, 27 May 2017, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus wrote: Second, let us consider actions in Suber’s original ruleset [2]. In Suber’s original ruleset, actions are not explicitly mentioned. However, all actions fall into one of two categories: regulated or unregulated. Regulated actions are

DIS: Re: BUS: [ADoP] Initiating Elections Again (Referee, ADoP, Registrar)

2017-05-27 Thread Ørjan Johansen
On Sat, 27 May 2017, Josh T wrote: For all elections which the voting period has yet to close, I endorse the incumbent, if any; should the office be vacant, I vote PRESENT. I have recently started wondering if all the new players using "endorse" know what it customarily means in Agora.

Re: DIS: Find two contradictory CFJs -> Principle of explosion -> Do anything

2017-05-27 Thread Ørjan Johansen
On Sat, 27 May 2017, Martin Rönsch wrote: This is because the principle of explosion is a characteristic specific to classic first order predicate logic and it's extensions. Actually you just need propositional logic, and intuitionistic is enough. not A =def= A -> False False -> B are

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Buy your way to victory

2017-05-27 Thread Ørjan Johansen
On Sat, 27 May 2017, Quazie wrote: I don't think it's a recordable event. If I 'submit 0 proporaals' or 'call 0 CFJs' both are non actions, how is there an action to record here? Rule 2483 includes: If Agora, a player, or an organization (A) 'pays' X shinies to Agora, a player,

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