DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Distribution of Proposals 7876-7898 [sic]

On Tue, 12 Sep 2017, Owen Jacobson wrote: 7887* Aris 3.0 SLR Ratification Aris1 sh. AGAINST. I’m strongly pro-ruleset-ratification, as it has not been done since well before I joined the game. However, ratifying that version at this point in the sequence of

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Test of Confidence

On Mon, 11 Sep 2017, grok (caleb vines) wrote: But if you're really that incensed by me playing the game, I'm happy to take my ball and go home. Just say the word. That gave me a vision of "what if deregistrations were as easily triggered as registrations". Greetings, Ørjan.

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Distribution of Proposals 7876-7898 [sic]

On Mon, 11 Sep 2017, Aris Merchant wrote: Rule 1551: "When a public document is ratified, rules to the contrary notwithstanding, the gamestate is modified to what it would be if, at the time the ratified document was published, the gamestate had been minimally modified to make the ratified

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Rewards

On Tue, 12 Sep 2017, VJ Rada wrote: Is it possible to use the "any player may assign an unassinged CFJ to emself without three objections" rule? Doesn't work because it's not unassigned. We even had a recent CFJ that people don't stop being judges by being deregistered (as Sprocklem just

DIS: Re: BUS: Shiny Weather

On Sun, 10 Sep 2017, Kerim Aydin wrote: Determining the weather to be Improving sets the Supply Level 25% higher (rounded down). Determining the Supply Level to be Deteriorating sets the Supply Level 25% lower (rounded up). I think you mispled one "weather" as "Supply Level".

Re: DIS: [very early proto/idea] Inter-Nomic Currency

On Mon, 11 Sep 2017, Cuddle Beam wrote: Also, I've found this as a public paste on Pastebin a while ago which suggests that there is another Nomic out there, although I haven't been able to find it (or the coup never happened): https://pastebin.com/dEwyiMRq I've never heard of it but I

Re: DIS: Re: CFJ (Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Distribution of Proposals 7899-7904)

On Mon, 25 Sep 2017, Kerim Aydin wrote: If you just say "I vote as G. does" that to me reads like voting the same as my current vote, which wouldn't change if I changed my current vote. I don't think there's anything in "I vote as G. does" that makes it sound conditional. Hm, that leaves the

DIS: Re: BUS: Such is karma

On Sun, 24 Sep 2017, Kerim Aydin wrote: While the Karma of the Community Chest is not equal to 0, the Herald CAN and SHALL publish a Notice of Honour specifying the Community Chest as a gainer or loser in place of a player; to be valid, it must be specified such that

Re: DIS: proto: losing conditions

On Sun, 24 Sep 2017, Kerim Aydin wrote: A Checkered Card is a type of Card that is appropriate for violations of the rules that directly and substantially result in a Win. When a Checkered Card has been issued and not been the subject of an open CFJ for seven days, [the win

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Registering

On Sun, 24 Sep 2017, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus wrote: I have started working on an economic simulation. *Channeling Nick Bostrom...* Greetings, Ørjan.

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Registering

On Sun, 24 Sep 2017, Owen Jacobson wrote: If you don’t specifically call my attention to it, I can say with a straight face that I believe that there are no unpunished violations, but once someone brings it to my attention, that would be a lie. There's a certain Bayesian problem here: If an

Re: DIS: proto: losing conditions

On Sun, 24 Sep 2017, Kerim Aydin wrote: Proto: "losing conditions" Seems this isn't really popular, but I'll point out a couple bugs anyhow: When the Rules state that a person or persons win the game, and those persons are not Disqualified from winning as described by the

Re: DIS: proto: losing conditions

On Sun, 24 Sep 2017, Gaelan Steele wrote: It may be valuable to have some actions (voting on a Decision, for example) be automatically disqualifying for some short amount of time (2 hours or so) to help prevent timing scams. Won't work because of the time gap between end of voting and

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Proposal] Fixing Fingers

, Ørjan Johansen <oer...@nvg.ntnu.no> wrote: On Tue, 26 Sep 2017, VJ Rada wrote: I create and pend with 1 shiny the following Title: Two Words AI: 1.7 Text: In rule 2478, Vigilante Justice, add the word "either" after the words "shall conclude the investigation by" but befo

DIS: Re: BUS: [Proposal] Fixing Fingers

On Tue, 26 Sep 2017, VJ Rada wrote: I create and pend with 1 shiny the following Title: Two Words AI: 1.7 Text: In rule 2478, Vigilante Justice, add the word "either" after the words "shall conclude the investigation by" but before the colon. Also, before the words "if e believes that no rules

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Frivolous but harmless scam attempt of the week: MOTION OF NO CONFIDENCE

On Sat, 23 Sep 2017, Kerim Aydin wrote: Oh sorry, I confused certiorari with the "without 3 objections" method in R991. Folks, if someone end up wanting to call a CFJ on this, make an Agency for me with this exact purpose and I can have it called and assigned in the same message. You'll need

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Frivolous but harmless scam attempt of the week: MOTION OF NO CONFIDENCE

On Sun, 24 Sep 2017, VJ Rada wrote: assigned to _a_ judge, singular, implies or dictates only one judge at once. I don't think it does, especially in the context of the last part of the sentence. It's perfectly readable as just an existential. When a CFJ is open and assigned to a

Re: DIS: Another UTF-8 question (for o or someone else)

On Sun, 1 Oct 2017, Kerim Aydin wrote: Could someone look at the index for cases: https://faculty.washington.edu/kerim/nomic/cases/ And tell me why Ørjan's name displays correctly in CFJ 3565, but not in CFJ 3470? The first case involves a quoted message including 天火狐's CJK nick, and so

DIS: Re: BUS: 🎵Spooky Scary Skeletonsð沁ｵ

Yep, as well as a weekly Silly Person (ideally appointed by the previous one) to make them. Greetings, Ørjan. On Thu, 28 Sep 2017, Gaelan Steele wrote: Were Silly Proposals a game concept at that point? Gaelan

DIS: Re: BUS: I attempt to Declare A NEW ERA

On Thu, 28 Sep 2017, Owen Jacobson wrote: I withdraw my objection. I support the above-quoted intent. This cannot be continued though: A person CANNOT support or object to an announcement of intent before the intent is announced, or after e has withdrawn the same type of

Re: DIS: I think I fixed the rulesets

On Thu, 28 Sep 2017, Gaelan Steele wrote: I believe the rulesets on GitHub are now accurate. If something is still wrong, please speak up before I publicly embarrass myself again. :) Still no farming in sight in the SLR there. Also, sneaking a peek at the HLR, rule 2496 looks misformatted.

DIS: Re: BUS: Spooky Scary Skeletons

On Thu, 28 Sep 2017, Cuddle Beam wrote: - Title: Terrifying Proposals Reward - Content: The victor of the "The Terrifying Proposals" Proposal Competition, once ever via this effect, can gain 3 Stamps from Agora by announcement. I get really queasy about proposals having non-instantaneous

DIS: Re: BUS: 🎵Spooky Scary Skeletons🎵

On Thu, 28 Sep 2017, Kerim Aydin wrote: From the archives (by memory): AN INSANE PROPOSAL IS A PROPOSAL IN ALL CAPS. VOTES FOR AN INSANE PROPOSAL ARE SECRET AND CANNOT BE DISCUSSED, EVEN IN PRIVATE. IF NOT A SINGLE FOR VOTE IS CAST FOR AN INSANE PROPOSAL, THE PROPOSERS WIN THE GAME. Good

DIS: Re: BUS: [Rulekeepor] Short Logical Ruleset

This is also missing the farming stuff, which was one of several things someone else complained was missing in the _previous_ Ruleset. (That's the one thing I recall. I didn't save the message.) Greetings, Ørjsn. On Thu, 28 Sep 2017, Gaelan Steele wrote: THE SHORT LOGICAL RULESET [snip]

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Rulekeepor] Short Logical Ruleset

shortly after the last SLR. Greetings, Ørjan. On Fri, 29 Sep 2017, Ørjan Johansen wrote: This is also missing the farming stuff, which was one of several things someone else complained was missing in the _previous_ Ruleset. (That's the one thing I recall. I didn't save the message.) Greetings

Re: DIS: Screw all of this

On Mon, 25 Sep 2017, VJ Rada wrote: I _still_ did not receive this message. You're cursed. How long before we notice someone has been playing for years, but we've never received eir messages... Greetings, Ørjan.

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Such is karma

On Sun, 24 Sep 2017, Reuben Staley wrote: If the majority of players are convinced to attack someone then there will not be enough people to punish the full attacking group. But if they're a majority, then they can just pass a proposal anyhow. Greetings, Ørjan.

DIS: Re: BUS: [Arbitor] Experimental Bench procedure

On Wed, 27 Sep 2017, Kerim Aydin wrote: Experimental procedure for assigning CFJs. You can just tell me what Court you want to be on. Favoring still works of course. Comments welcome. Is this allowed by the "reasonably equal opportunities to judge" clause? Greetings, Ørjan.

DIS: Re: BUS: Trouble with agencies

On Wed, 27 Sep 2017, VJ Rada wrote: To avoid committing fraud I hereby specify that the document I am attempting to ratify is inaccurate to the extent that no such agency exists. Oh, I made a typo in the below ratification as well. I object to that ratification and intend to, without objection,

DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: Guaranteed Stampage

On Tue, 26 Sep 2017, Nic Evans wrote: Enact a Power 1 rule titled "Stamp Wins" with the following text:    If a player owns 10 stamps with different Creaters, none of which    have Agora as its Creater, e CAN win by announcement. Doing so    destroys the specified stamps. Specified where?

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: Guaranteed Stampage

On Thu, 28 Sep 2017, Owen Jacobson wrote: On Sep 28, 2017, at 3:09 AM, Ørjan Johansen <oer...@nvg.ntnu.no> wrote: On Tue, 26 Sep 2017, Nic Evans wrote: Enact a Power 1 rule titled "Stamp Wins" with the following text: If a player owns 10 stamps with different Creater

DIS: Re: OFF: [Rulekeepor] Corrected FLR

On Thu, 24 Aug 2017, Gaelan Steele wrote: THE FULL LOGICAL RULESET Could you please rewrap the extra-long lines in (at least) rules 2166, 2493, 2494, 2464, 2459, 2489, 2491, 2483, 2497 and 2495? Greetings, Ørjan.

DIS: Re: OFF: [Arbitor] CFJ 3556 assigned to G.

On Sat, 26 Aug 2017, Alex Smith wrote: I now CFJ: "Cuddlebeam has a Platinum Ribbon". I call for judgement on the statement "Cuddlebeam has a Platinum Ribbon", by spending 1 Action Point. I assign the resulting CFJ the ID number 3556, and assign it to Cuddlebeam. Work your way through your

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Arbitor] CFJ 3556 assigned to G.

On Sat, 26 Aug 2017, Alex Smith wrote: Cuddlebeam can't retract a CFJ /I/ called. Oops. I got confused by all the similar CFJs flying around. Greetings, Ørjan.

DIS: Re: BUS: Routine deregistations

On Sun, 27 Aug 2017, Aris Merchant wrote: I don't think I ever did this. For each intent where it is possible, I do so. The actor SHOULD publish a list of supporters if the action depends on support, and a list of objectors if it depends on objections. Greetings, Ørjan.

Re: OFF: [Arbitor] Re: BUS: Re: DIS: Fun fact

On Fri, 25 Aug 2017, Alex Smith wrote: Luckily, your CFJ isn't valid; you can't call a CFJ nowadays without paying for it. So it hasn't actually been called yet. Also luckily, we still have some vestiges of the old officer system in which officers had, in lieu of pay, a certain allowance for

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Arbitor] Appeal of CFJ 3537

On Fri, 1 Sep 2017, Alex Smith wrote: player has pledged not to judge a CFJ. ihope (who changed names several times, and I think might now be Tanner Swett, although I'm not 100% sure on that) pledged not to judge CFJ 1984. There was some movement to Latest Registrar's Report lists em as

Re: DIS: Draft: Crime Improvements v2

On Sun, 8 Oct 2017, Aris Merchant wrote: A person SHALL NOT deliberately, by eir explicit, positive, and restricted action aid, abet, or induce the violation of the rules by another person; when e does so, e commits the Class-3 Crime of Being an Accessory. A person never is never an

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Distribution of Proposals 7908-7921

On Sun, 8 Oct 2017, Gaelan Steele wrote: For the record, I’ve been re-wrapping rules as I touch them. Looking at the ruleset now, however, I’m not sure if I’ve been indenting to the right width… Well I'm not sure which ones you've fixed, so... The standard used to be something like 75

Re: DIS: Re: Agency: PPE

On Mon, 9 Oct 2017, Reuben Staley wrote: Yeah, but in my question, I kind of meant before they were even created, though I see the confusion because of my non-explicit wording... Gosh, now I feel like such a hypocrite, criticising the wording of a rule then being ambiguous with mine... Before

DIS: Re: BUS: [Surveyor] October Estate Auction

On Mon, 9 Oct 2017, Gaelan Steele wrote: win-by-robbing-Agora proposal (that was intended as a real proposal, not just a scam vessel; if that proposal doesn’t exist, I create it with the text and attributes from the original message), but (barring a bug/typo) Hm you only have to "specify"

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: deputy-[Assessor] Resolution of proposal 7877

On Wed, 4 Oct 2017, Alex Smith wrote: Far too powerful, given how difficult it can be for some clients to display anomalous Date: headers. Could lead to some interesting time paradoxes, too (given that changing the gamestate as though the message were sent at some other time than the time the

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: deputy-[Assessor] Resolution of proposal 7877

On Tue, 3 Oct 2017, Owen Jacobson wrote: It’s not the format that’s the problem. Many clients display the date a message was received, not the Date: of the message itself, when showing dates in message lists. Mine (Mail.app, macOS Sierra, up-to-date on patches) does this. *Sigh* well, at

Re: DIS: Congratulations everyone!

On Tue, 3 Oct 2017, Aris Merchant wrote: Agora-Discussion traffic last month was 6 MB, significantly more than our previous record of 2 MB from May. In addition to this, Agora-Business traffic was a record setting 2 MB. Although these records only go back to July 2013 (when archive gzip'ing

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Arbitor] CFJ 3572 assigned to o

While the rules do not specifically define “an announcement of intent”, rule 478 (“Fora”) defines what it means to announce something: A public message is a message sent via a public forum, or sent to all players and containing a clear designation of intent to be public. A rule can also

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Secretary] Weekly Report (revision 2)

On Wed, 11 Oct 2017, Owen Jacobson wrote: On Oct 11, 2017, at 12:17 AM, Owen Jacobson wrote: As Secretary, I flip the Floating Value to 20. On Oct 11, 2017, at 12:29 AM, Owen Jacobson wrote: As Secretary, I flip the Floating Value to 22. On Oct 11,

DIS: Re: BUS: I revoke my agency ORP

On Thu, 19 Oct 2017, VJ Rada wrote: I gave notice a while ago. I revoke the agency ORP. How long ago? Remember there's a 14 day limit. Greetings, Ørjan.

Re: DIS: What's the deal with the ADoP election?

On Thu, 19 Oct 2017, VJ Rada wrote: In about a day I can ratify my document making you the ADoP. I don't remember if you made a new intent after the one where you forgot to say it was a lie. Note that Rule 2202 (last published Ruleset, which is getting pretty out of date *grumble*) says:

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Arbitor] CFJ 3581 assigned to Alexis

On Sun, 22 Oct 2017, Alexis Hunt wrote: Proposal: HTML Scrubbing (AI=1) {{{ The Distributor is hereby requested to enable the Mailman feature(s) to strip non-plain-text parts of emails sent by the agoranomic.org mailing lists. }}} Would this disallow _all_ non-text attachments, even those

Re: DIS: more questions

On Mon, 23 Oct 2017, ATMunn wrote: Okay, I finally figured it out and it should look right now. I honestly don't know why I didn't figure it out sooner. Congratulations! On 10/23/2017 9:31 PM, Kerim Aydin wrote: I am really enjoying reading this conversation using Pine. I've been

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Proposal] Agoran Newspaper Repeal

On Tue, 24 Oct 2017, Owen Jacobson wrote: I straight-up resign. If it is possible for me to do so, I initiate an election for the office of Agronomist. I submit the following as a campaign proposal: I think the first action made the second impossible. Greetings, Ørjan.

DIS: Re: CJF (Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Distribution of Proposals 7922-7929)

On Sat, 21 Oct 2017, ATMunn . wrote: I'm just going to make sure my vote actually changes. If, despite the aforementioned October 19 post, my vote on proposals 7922-7929 has not changed, I vote as follows: Fortunately for you the judgement was that the previous one worked, because I don't

DIS: Re: BUS: (no subject)

On Sun, 22 Oct 2017, Aris Merchant wrote: I submit the following proposal, and pend it for 1 AP. An entity's tax amount is, at any given time, (max(ceil(T% of (S - 10)), 0)), where max is the maximum of its inputs, ceil is the operation of rounding up to the nearest integer, T is the tax

Re: BUS: Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Distribution of Proposals 7982-7988

om> wrote: As do I. Publius Scribonius Scholasticus p.scribonius.scholasti...@gmail.com On Nov 26, 2017, at 9:26 PM, VJ Rada <vijar...@gmail.com> wrote: I change my vote to AGAINST on minimal econ reforms. On Mon, Nov 27, 2017 at 1:25 PM, Ørjan Johansen <oer...@nvg.ntnu.no

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Arbitor] CFJ 3607 assigned to G. (and judged with help from ATMunn)

On Mon, 27 Nov 2017, Kerim Aydin wrote: Oooh, yes - that's very far reaching and precisely the sort of thing that clause is meant to stop. I need to go do Something Else now and this deserves some thoughts about arguments, but if no one gets to it before me, I'll call it tomorrow-ish. So

Re: BUS: Re: DIS: Promotor Draft

On Sun, 26 Nov 2017, Alexis Hunt wrote: I retreat Re-opening the Door. ITYM "retract". Greetings, Ørjan.

DIS: Re: OFF: [Registrar] Weekly Report

That's almost, but not quite chronological order of registration, why not fix that? (You'd need to check who of Cuddlebeam and G. registered first, I guess.) Greetings, Ørjan. On Sun, 26 Nov 2017, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus wrote: Players (16) (Rule 869, self-ratifying)     Player 

DIS: Auctions broken (Re: OFF: [Assessor] Resolution of Proposals 7973-7980)

On Sun, 26 Nov 2017, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus wrote: Create a power-1 rule titled "Auction Initiation" { An entity authorized by a rule or contract to initiate an Auction CAN do so by announcement. If the rule or contract specifies that that entity MUST do so, that entity SHALL do so

DIS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Distribution of Proposals 7982-7988

On Sun, 26 Nov 2017, Aris Merchant wrote: // ID: 7982 Title: Referee Reform Fix Adoption index: 1.7 Author: V.J. Rada Co-authors: At the end of rule 2478 "Viglilante Justice", add a new paragraph with the text "The Referee

DIS: Re: BUS: Proposals

On Mon, 27 Nov 2017, VJ Rada wrote: I destroy 20 notes and trade them for shinies. I create and pend with shinies the following two proposals. ITYM "bills". Greetings, Ørjan.

Re: BUS: Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Clork] Weekly Report

On Mon, 27 Nov 2017, VJ Rada wrote: You can either deny it or publish a revision. You should do neither, but note that you will eventually have to choose one if the cfj isn't judged w/in the next 7 days, which it won't be. No, point 2.3 of rule 2201 allows em to cite an already existing CFJ.

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [ADoP] Herald Election Decision Initiation

On Fri, 24 Nov 2017, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus wrote: I haven't received the quoted correction yet. I received them in the correct order, although I have the impression Agora mail arrives more out of order than it used to... or maybe it's just the higher volume causing it.

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Resignation, favours, and pledge

On Wed, 22 Nov 2017, Madeline wrote: Can we just never give you any in-game power ever again But it's so fun to watch! Greetings, Ørjan.

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Assessor] Resolution of Proposals 7965-7972

On Wed, 22 Nov 2017, VJ Rada wrote: immediately after". And participation favours are misspelled, so I believe they are unawardable at this time. I don't believe Agora cares about trivial spelling errors. (May also apply to Trigon's Æther comment.) Greetings, Ørjan.

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Resignation, favours, and pledge

On Tue, 21 Nov 2017, Aris Merchant wrote: I pay V.J. Rada 10 shinies for the clever scam. H. Herald candidates, would you consider giving out Scamster for this? I don't think e ever actually won off a scam, but e's come close so many times that e deserves the accolade. Petard hoister.

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Resignation, favours, and pledge

NttPF Greetings, Ørjan. On Wed, 22 Nov 2017, Alexis Hunt wrote: On Wed, 22 Nov 2017 at 16:45 Aris Merchant < thoughtsoflifeandligh...@gmail.com> wrote: Is it worth CFJing then? It's certainly intended to be the former, and the serial comma is only required in lists, right? -Aris

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Resignation, favours, and pledge

On Wed, 22 Nov 2017, VJ Rada wrote: I've actually been meaning to ask you this for a while Ørjan, and now seems like a decent time to do so (i don't mean to be rude or w/e obv). What's the story behind your watching of Agora? Because it seems like you were around in like 1993 and have been

Re: DIS: Campaign proposal proto

On Wed, 22 Nov 2017, Corona wrote: Well, I felt uncomfortable not having a Campaign Proposal if PSS is going to have one, so... I'd rather if y'all checked it for obvious holes, since it looks like it can't be retracted once announced. Hm you CAN retract it from the Proposal Pool (rule 2350).

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Resignation, favours, and pledge

On Wed, 22 Nov 2017, Kerim Aydin wrote: omd used to have a size-limit on messages that e explicitly turned off for the Rulekeepor (the FLR was over the limit). Can't remember what the limit was or if it's still on. omd confirmed in ##nomic that this happened, and there were two messages by

Re: DIS: Mail shenanigans

On Tue, 28 Nov 2017, Owen Jacobson wrote: Did anyone receive a message from me yesterday, addressed to a-b, purporting to distribute Agora’s assets? Message-ID f7c7dc62-8fb1-4b65-9606-5f27cbd7c...@grimoire.ca, if you see it and want to verify. I ask because it’s gone missing. I never

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Arbitor] CFJ 3611 assigned to Aris

On Wed, 29 Nov 2017, Alexis Hunt wrote: On Tue, 28 Nov 2017 at 20:24 Ørjan Johansen <oer...@nvg.ntnu.no> wrote: On Tue, 28 Nov 2017, Kerim Aydin wrote: Gratuitous Arguments H. Judge, I request you examine all the reasons that Slamming the Door may have failed (i.e. if it's inter

DIS: Re: OFF: [Arbitor] CFJ 3611 assigned to Aris

On Tue, 28 Nov 2017, Kerim Aydin wrote: On Tue, 28 Nov 2017, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus wrote: I AP-CFJ, on behalf of VJ Rada, "Rule 2507 does not exist." This is because its enactment was INEFFECTIVE, per paragraph 3 clause 1 of Rule 217. This is CFJ 3611, I assign it to Aris.

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: Notice of Honor

On Tue, 28 Nov 2017, Corona wrote: This message was blocked for some reason It indeed doesn't seem to have reached any of the archives. Are you sure it was sent, and if so did you receive an error message? Greetings, Ørjan. On 11/28/17, Corona wrote: This

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: CFJ & Deregistration

On Tue, 28 Nov 2017, Kerim Aydin wrote: Keep in mind that it may not be all or nothing. Black Cards are only Power-2. So the RttCN clause in that Rule only applies to abilities of power 2 or less (if that approach is taken). So likely all the stuff like deregistration/registration works.

Re: BUS: Re: DIS: Anyone want to be interim Referee?

On Wed, 29 Nov 2017, Alexis Hunt wrote: I mean that supporters are not allowed to perform actions restricted to specific players. For example, only the correct officer can resolve an officer-only intent. I'm pretty sure it still works if it's generally "any player CAN with 2 support". Oh.

Re: DIS: Draft Ruling on CFJs 3611-3612

On Thu, 30 Nov 2017, Alex Smith wrote: On Wed, 2017-11-29 at 17:30 -0800, Aris Merchant wrote: because the message where e did everything except the rewards got caught in the scam filter and never went through. Ugh, if Agora really does have a scam filter now, I'll have to look into creative

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: CFJ & Deregistration

ible scams because someone wrote a rule assuming securing does more than that. Greetings, Ørjan. On 11/28/2017 09:11 PM, Ørjan Johansen wrote: On Tue, 28 Nov 2017, Kerim Aydin wrote: Keep in mind that it may not be all or nothing.  Black Cards are only Power-2.  So the RttCN clause in that

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: Notice of Honor

en blocked. See technical details below for more information. Learn more here: https://support.google.com/mail/answer/69585 The response was: Message rejected. See https://support.google.com/mail/answer/69585 for more information. On 11/28/17, Ørjan Johansen <oer...@nvg.ntnu.no> wrote: On

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: CFJ & Deregistration

On Thu, 30 Nov 2017, Telnaior wrote: That's kind of a pity, given how longstanding that rule is. How about we fix that? I create the following proposal and spend an Action Point (1 -> 0) to pend it: Title: Don't FAGE the FAGE Author: Telnaior AI: 3 { Change the power of Rule 1789 ("Cantus

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Assessor] Resolution of the Election for Herald and Proposal 7981

, PSS} Alexis: 2x {Corona, PSS} VJ Rada: 5x {VJ Rada, Corona} G.: {PSS, Corona} Aris: {Corona, PSS} o: {Corona, PSS} On 11/30/2017 12:04 AM, Ørjan Johansen wrote: On Wed, 29 Nov 2017, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus wrote: Correct, CoE accepted. I republish the below: CoEs, on whichever are

Summing up this mess (Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Assessor] Resolution of the Election for Herald and Proposal 7981)

a, Corona} G.: {PSS, Corona} Aris: {Corona, PSS} o: {Corona, PSS} On 11/30/2017 12:04 AM, Ørjan Johansen wrote: On Wed, 29 Nov 2017, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus wrote: Correct, CoE accepted. I republish the below: CoEs, on whichever are the non-superseded versions/revisions of this (I am

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [ACU] Bank Statement

NttPF Greetings, Ørjan. On Tue, 28 Nov 2017, VJ Rada wrote: (If I can take game actions) I deposit my shinies, exchanging them w/ ACU for bills. On Tue, Nov 28, 2017 at 3:57 PM, Owen Jacobson wrote: The Agoran Credit Union report Date of this report: Date of last

Re: BUS: Re: DIS: Anyone want to be interim Referee?

On Tue, 28 Nov 2017, Alexis Hunt wrote: On Tue, 28 Nov 2017 at 01:03 Gaelan Steele wrote: I support and do so. This doesn't work as you don't hold the office, however, with o, Aris, and Gaelan's support, I do so. I'm pretty sure Gaelan's action is _intended_ to work by

DIS: Re: BUS: CFJ 3608 FALSE

On Mon, 27 Nov 2017, Corona wrote: I judge CFJ 3608 as FALSE, and note that proposals not in the Proposal Pool cannot have an Imminence switch. (What a headache. Hopefully that's right.) That did turn out even more complicated than I thought... thanks for judging! Greetings, Ørjan.

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: CFJ 3608 FALSE

On Mon, 27 Nov 2017, Alexis Hunt wrote: There is a possibility that I think was not addressed: that the Proposal, by virtue of being always pending, is thus also always in the Proposal Pool. But there may be an easy resolution to that so I won't support this yet. I actually considered this

Re: BUS: Re: DIS: Auctions broken (Re: OFF: [Assessor] Resolution of Proposals 7973-7980)

On Mon, 27 Nov 2017, ATMunn wrote: Title: "Un-breaking Auctions" AI: 1 Author: ATMunn Amend the rule titled "Auction End" by replacing the first sentence with An Auction ends 7 days after its initiation, or immediately if no bid has been placed or withdrawn in the last 96 hours and at least

Dependent Actions Proto (Re: BUS: Re: DIS: Anyone want to be interim Referee?)

of supporters if the action ["Actor" isn't used anywhere else in the rule.] }}} Greetings, Ørjan. On Tue, 28 Nov 2017, Ørjan Johansen wrote: On Tue, 28 Nov 2017, Alexis Hunt wrote: On Tue, 28 Nov 2017 at 01:03 Gaelan Steele <g...@canishe.com> wrote: I support and do so. T

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: CFJ & Deregistration

e CG that e consents to deregistration. Greetings, Ørjan. On Thu, Nov 30, 2017 at 4:24 PM, Ørjan Johansen <oer...@nvg.ntnu.no> wrote: On Thu, 30 Nov 2017, Telnaior wrote: That's kind of a pity, given how longstanding that rule is. How about we fix that? I create the following proposal an

Re: DIS: Logo?

On Wed, 29 Nov 2017, Aris Merchant wrote: What would people think of a proposal actually specifying that Agorans all share copyright over the rules (and the gamestate in general) and that they are licensed under X licence? I don't think this would ever actually be a problem, but it's probably

Re: BUS: Re: DIS: Anyone want to be interim Referee?

ngs, Ørjan. On Tue, Nov 28, 2017, 01:45 Ørjan Johansen, <oer...@nvg.ntnu.no> wrote: On Tue, 28 Nov 2017, Alexis Hunt wrote: On Tue, 28 Nov 2017 at 01:03 Gaelan Steele <g...@canishe.com> wrote: I support and do so. This doesn't work as you don't hold the office, however, with o

DIS: Re: BUS: I'm not dead!

On Sun, 17 Dec 2017, Edward Murphy wrote: Having caught up on the Public Fora, I register. Hi! Just a month too late to fail because you were still registered... (Why _did_ all those people get deregistered just about when they could have been made zombies instead? Or is that broken too...)

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [ADoP] Initiating Decisions Correctly

On Mon, 6 Nov 2017, Josh T wrote: Apparently, I just need to cast a vote to avoid being given a humiliating reminder, so for all pending proposals whose valid options include FOR and AGAINST, I vote PURPLE. I understand this is effectively "PRESENT", but that's not what I'm casting it as in

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Distribution of Proposals 7965-7972

Um, nope, still discussion. Greetings, Ørjan. On Thu, 16 Nov 2017, VJ Rada wrote: thanks telnaior. pf. On Mon, Nov 13, 2017 at 10:49 AM, VJ Rada wrote: I vote ID Author(s) AI TitlePender Pend fee

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Surveyor] Weekly Report

NttPF. Greetings, Ørjan. On Thu, 16 Nov 2017, VJ Rada wrote: Thu, 09 Nov 2017 08:50:46 V.J Rada bought the Estate of Erehwon for 1,011 shinies ​CoE: this is disputed.​ On Thu, Nov 16, 2017 at 4:29 PM, Owen Jacobson wrote: Recent events (all times UTC) Tue, 09 May

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Reportor] Agora Sky News vol 7

On Sun, 12 Nov 2017, ATMunn wrote: I agree. I think e said e was going to be pretty busy for a month or two, but still. Also, the wrapping is messed up. The wrapping of eir newspapers was always messed up on the plain text version, and now that the HTML version (which looked fine in my

Re: DIS: Politician Naming

On Sat, 18 Nov 2017, Madeline wrote: Since the party proposal is set to be passing, I'd like to get some good pun names brought in for our array of Politicians. I can offer rewards too (likely a shiny or two per name), and you'll be sparing us all from a terrible fate of auspol jokes! Mad

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Arbitor] CFJ 3585 assigned to V.J. Rada

red and assigned the below CFJ, I do as indicated below: -- Forwarded message -- Date: Sun, 29 Oct 2017 13:58:15 -0700 (PDT) From: Kerim Aydin <ke...@u.washington.edu> To: Agora Official <agora-offic...@agoranomic.org> Subject: [Arbitor] CFJ 3585 assigned to V.J. Rada

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Contract (Designating reportor)

On Sun, 12 Nov 2017, Aris Merchant wrote: Amend Rule 2525, Interpreting Contracts, by: Removing item 6 of the numbered list and renumbering appropriately; and Changing the phrase "failing protected action" to read "failing to preform a protected action". I think you mean "perform".

Re: DIS: Proto-proto proposal

On Fri, 3 Nov 2017, VJ Rada wrote: I think the last time this was asked about, G. said they started being used somewhere between 1993/4. So they have a long pedigree haha :). Well the last time I recall, I pointed out that Spivak pronouns were used in Agora's original ruleset, and Originator

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Distribution of Proposals 7973-7880

On Sun, 19 Nov 2017, Alexis Hunt wrote: 7974* V.J. Rada3.0 [2] Really minor fixes V.J. Rada 1 AP FOR. Note that some of these may be Rulekeepor typos; I will do my best to investigate and determine which ones are. Some of the changes are equivalent to "replace text A with

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