Re: DIS: Proto: Transactions

2007-12-30 Thread ihope
On Dec 30, 2007 8:03 PM, Josiah Worcester [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From playing B Nomic, I've seen one potentially useful idea: transactions. I'm not sure if everyone wants them, but let's see: Proto: Transactions (power=3?) Create a rule titled Transactions with the following text: A

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: CFJ 1849: assign Goddess Eris

2008-01-12 Thread ihope
On 10/01/2008, Taral [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ah, so you believed your statement to not violate the version of the rule you saw before. But then one could say that your belief didn't apply to the current version. Again, if the defendant reasonably believed that the alleged act did not violate

DIS: What does secured mean?

2008-02-14 Thread ihope
I notice that a lot of rules refer to things being secured, but none of them seem to say what that means. --Ivan Hope CXXVII

Re: DIS: Proto: There will always be a Dread Pirate Roberts

2008-02-22 Thread ihope
On 22/02/2008, Kerim Aydin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: (c) The sum of all legally specified Partisanship values for all specified players is equal to 1.0. So you can either set one player's Partisanship value to 1 or set two players' Partisanship values to 0.5, assuming that

DIS: Re: BUS: Corrected assignment of 1890a and 1891a

2008-02-24 Thread ihope
On 24/02/2008, Ed Murphy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I hereby assign 1890a and 1891a to the panel of Ivan Hope, Iammars, and Pavitra. Appellant comex's arguments consisted of See root's message in a-d, among other things. I don't know what message this is referring to, but the only thing I can

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Corrected assignment of 1890a and 1891a

2008-02-26 Thread ihope
On 25/02/2008, comex [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If you didn't know this, judgements of FALSE, TRUE, UNDECIDABLE, and IRRELEVANT all include at the time the inquiry case was initiated in their R591 wording. (No offense, just in case you were unaware.) Ah. Perhaps it would be better to

Re: DIS: (no subject)

2008-02-26 Thread ihope
On 26/02/2008, Ankica Zilic [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: what to do Read the rules, become a player, have fun, I suppose. The rules are at http://www.fysh.org/~zefram/agora/current_slr.txt --Ivan Hope CXXVII

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [CotC] CFJ 1897 assigned to BobTHJ

2008-02-26 Thread ihope
On 26/02/2008, Ian Kelly [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, Feb 26, 2008 at 4:19 PM, Roger Hicks [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I judge FALSE. I intend to appeal this with two support. It contradicts without argument the precedents set down in CFJs 1895 and 1899. I support this. --Ivan Hope

DIS: Proto-Contest: Agoran Twister

2008-03-06 Thread ihope
Since this is Agora and not B Nomic, I will use brackets instead of braces to mark blocks. [The name of this contract is Agoran Twister. This is a public contract. A party to this contract may be referred to as a Keith. At any given time, a Keith is either In or Out (default). A Keith who is In

Re: DIS: Proto-Contest: Agoran Twister

2008-03-06 Thread ihope
On 06/03/2008, Ian Kelly [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hypothetical spot: State an opinion of NO WAY on this spot. Good point. Change the first sentence of that paragraph to Once per week, an Innie can post a Spot, which is a command regarding future game actions. On 06/03/2008, Kerim Aydin [EMAIL

Re: DIS: Proto-Contest: Agoran Twister

2008-03-06 Thread ihope
On 06/03/2008, Kerim Aydin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well, maybe that's why not to hardcode, just say will get points equal to the number of points the contest can award divided by the number of awards that need to be made in a week, with a min. of 5 and a max. of 10 or some-such. You mean

Re: DIS: Proto-Contest: Agoran Twister

2008-03-09 Thread ihope
Well, I guess this is Agoran Twister II. If it looks all right, I'll go ahead and officially propose it. [The name of this contract is Agoran Twister. This is a public contract. A party to this contract may be referred to as a Keith. At any given time, a Keith is either In or Out (default); this

DIS: Re: BUS: Contest proposal: Agoran Twister

2008-03-10 Thread ihope
I hereby attempt to make the contract known as Agoran Twister a contest; this must be done without 3 objections. On 10/03/2008, Ed Murphy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I agree to this. (Why Keith, though?) I have a friend named Keith who once played a guy named Oliver in a play. I don't know

DIS: Re: BUS: Contest proposal: Agoran Twister

2008-03-10 Thread ihope
TTPF: I hereby attempt to make the contract known as Agoran Twister a contest; this must be done without 3 objections. On 10/03/2008, Ian Kelly [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I agree to this, although I'm not sure that my agreement is effective, since I've just noticed that the contract lacks a

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Contest proposal: Agoran Twister

2008-03-11 Thread ihope
On 11/03/2008, Ian Kelly [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Oh well. I intend to amend the Agoran Twister contract, with the support of a majority of Keiths, by replacing the text Any Keith may amend this contract with the consent of a majority of Keiths. with Any Keith may amend this contract with

DIS: Re: BUS: Vote Market - Broker's Report

2008-03-11 Thread ihope
On 11/03/2008, Roger Hicks [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 2. The Broker is responsible for maintaining the Vote Market. Initially the Broker is BobTHJ. I take it that doesn't include Tickets? --Ivan Hope CXXVII

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Vote Market - Broker's Report

2008-03-11 Thread ihope
On 11/03/2008, Roger Hicks [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Are you referring to reporting a list of current tickets? If so that is something I could add to my report if there was interest. Well, as far as I can see, currently, the only way to see what tickets there are is to search through the

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Vote Market - Broker's Report

2008-03-12 Thread ihope
On 12/03/2008, Roger Hicks [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'll begin compiling a list of tickets as they are posted. I'm not hunting back through the archives though to get past ones. Well, you can get this one, at least: On 05/03/2008, ihope [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I join the Vote Market. I post

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: AAA - Secretary of Agriculture Report

2008-03-13 Thread ihope
On 12/03/2008, comex [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, Mar 12, 2008 at 7:26 PM, Iammars [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'll consent. CFJ: In the quoted message, Iammars consented to something. Arguments: E said that e *would* consent, not that e was doing so... The message in question was not

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Contest proposal: Agoran Twister

2008-03-15 Thread ihope
On 15/03/2008, comex [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Spot: Initiate at least one judicial case per week. If someone Opined NO WAY on this, how would they Break it? --Ivan Hope CXXVII

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Contest proposal: Agoran Twister

2008-03-15 Thread ihope
On 15/03/2008, Ed Murphy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Someone should write up an amendment to the effect of if the spot refers to a recurring type of time period, then each instance of that type of time period is evaluated separately for violations. Every millisecond, post a message to a public

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Contest proposal: Agoran Twister

2008-03-16 Thread ihope
On 16/03/2008, Ian Kelly [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don't think you're required to opine on your own spot... -root I'm not sure whether I intended to say every other Innie should Opine or not. As it is, you are indeed not required to Opine on your own Spot. Should this be changed to just

DIS: Re: BUS: AAA - Secretary of Agriculture Report

2008-03-17 Thread ihope
On 17/03/2008, Roger Hicks [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I create a Digit Ranch (land #17) with a Seed of 0 in the possession of Ivan Hope. Do I also get the water rights voucher, or do we have a long-standing rivalry? :-) --Ivan Hope CXXVII

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Some proposing

2008-03-18 Thread ihope
On 17/03/2008, Kerim Aydin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm pretty sure that instead is *not* the same as ~(a ~b). Instead is (A if not B). So if I go to Joe's for lunch, then I'm eating at home instead of going to Joe's for lunch? Looks to me that it's a ~b: I have to eat at home and not go

DIS: Re: BUS: Agoran Twister: Game 1, Week 1

2008-03-22 Thread ihope
On 22/03/2008, Zefram [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I object. That change would make it too easy to get points. How many points should a contract award in a week? --Ivan Hope CXXVII

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [IADOP] Organization Chart

2008-03-24 Thread ihope
On 24/03/2008, ihope [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I guess I'd like to try to get a Notary report ratified, so with Agoran Consent, I intend to make myself the Notary. By the way, should I support my own Agoran Decisions, or is that automatic? --Ivan Hope CXXVII

DIS: Proto-proposal: Foreign Faces

2008-03-29 Thread ihope
Adoption index 2, whatever interest index seems good {Create a new rule with power 2: {A face is a type of contract requiring at least zero parties. Every face represents exactly one foreign nomic, and every foreign nomic is represented by at most one face. A foreign nomic that is represented by

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Agoran Twister: Game 1, Week 2

2008-03-29 Thread ihope
On 29/03/2008, Ian Kelly [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Also, do we have a ruling on what any means in Goethe's spot yet? My ruling was that it means some, but we may have to have an inquiry case over this or something. I'm rather inclined to just toss out this spot, but then again, I think it would

DIS: Re: BUS: AAA - Secretary of Agriculture Report

2008-04-01 Thread ihope
On 01/04/2008, Taral [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I request to be un-busy. That's not going to happen. Who wants my stuff? What, you're giving it away? --Ivan Hope CXXVII

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Water Rights Enforcement

2008-04-01 Thread ihope
On 01/04/2008, Ian Kelly [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, Apr 1, 2008 at 10:01 AM, Roger Hicks [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I destroy 1 WRV in root's possession Oh, yay! I had somehow missed the fact that only digit ranches require water. Darn. I missed the fact that only digit ranches

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Look, A Political Party!

2008-04-02 Thread ihope
On 01/04/2008, comex [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, Apr 1, 2008 at 9:36 PM, ihope [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I agree to the following, to become a contract as soon as one other person agrees to it: I was thinking of something similar, but on a more grandiose scale-- for proposals

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: Proto-proposal: Foreign Faces

2008-04-02 Thread ihope
On 02/04/2008, Taral [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 3/30/08, ihope [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well, I'm sure overnight is long enough for anybody. Hopefully there's nothing wrong with this. Why a contract? So it can define currencies and impose obligations and such things without having

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Look, A Political Party!

2008-04-02 Thread ihope
On 02/04/2008, Taral [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A contract with no obligations is not much of a contract. I suggest that a change can take effect no less than 1 week after being approved. That will give people time to leave if they don't like it. Sounds good. I suppose I might get a new

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: distribution of proposals 5487-5489

2008-04-02 Thread ihope
On 02/04/2008, Geoffrey Spear [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 5488 D2 2Ivan Hope none AGAINST. Foreign nomics that wish to be Agoran persons can do so by forming a partnership for that purpose. I'm not comfortable granting personhood to non-biological entities that aren't bound by

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [CotC] CFJ 1914 pikhq recused, BobTHJ assigned

2008-04-04 Thread ihope
On 04/04/2008, Ankica Zilic [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I know that it is about creating rools but at this time the game that you created would need to be studied,but I have to say that you are creative..very Indeed. I studied the Agora Nomic rules for a while before actually doing anything. I

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Tailor] - I can see ultraviolet ribbons!

2008-04-10 Thread ihope
On 09/04/2008, Iammars [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: *cough*O Notary...*cough* Sorry! I'll see if I can't have it done today. --Ivan Hope CXXVII

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: Notary Report, Take 1

2008-04-10 Thread ihope
On 10/04/2008, Ian Kelly [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, Apr 10, 2008 at 4:27 PM, ihope [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This report is self-ratifying It's not. You're right. I thought all reports were self-ratifying. Oh well. --Ivan Hope CXXVII

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: Notary Report, Take 1

2008-04-11 Thread ihope
On 10/04/2008, Ed Murphy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Can this part be table-ified? Maybe with the members listed in the same section. What do you mean? Make a table with the contracts as rows and people as columns and put an X wherever the person is a party to the contract? --Ivan Hope CXXVII

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Shruggery

2008-04-11 Thread ihope
On 11/04/2008, Geoffrey Spear [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, Apr 11, 2008 at 2:12 PM, ihope [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I join the PerlNomic Partnership. You can't join by announcement, you need to use PerlNomic's adduser mechanism. http://nomic.info/perlnomic I'm already a user. When I

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Shruggery

2008-04-11 Thread ihope
On 11/04/2008, Ian Kelly [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Did you not read metarules.txt? 7. Players agree to be bound by the terms of the Contracts in the Contracts directory. I don't think I did, no. --Ivan Hope CXXVII

DIS: Re: BUS: The Bank of Agora

2008-04-11 Thread ihope
On 11/04/2008, Roger Hicks [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This could lead to a lot of changes, and a difficulty in knowing the current exchange rates. What about allowing Bankers to increment or decrement by a fixed value and then have all those changes occur at a set interval (say once per

DIS: Re: OFF: [CotC] Docket

2008-04-12 Thread ihope
On 06/04/2008, Ed Murphy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 1914 comex Ivan Hope Sun 13 Apr 22:09:11 Wait, I've been assigned to a case? 1890acomex, root, Ivan Hope, Sun 6 Apr 23:02:31 Zefram Iammars, BobTHJ 1891a

DIS: Proto-Pledge: The Note Exchange

2008-04-12 Thread ihope
{This is a public contract and a pledge by the name of The Note Exchange. For each pitch of Note, the corresponding Credit is a currency, and the corresponding Marker is a fixed currency. Ivan Hope CXXVII is the recordkeepor of Credits and Markers, and generally cannot create them by

Re: DIS: Proto-Pledge: The Note Exchange

2008-04-12 Thread ihope
On 12/04/2008, Charles Reiss [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: * You probably should restrict the ownership of these currencies; at least of Markers. A marker-holder cannot be obliged to redeem unless the Marker-holder bound by the contract. Indeed, you're right. * Needs an exit clause; {When a

Re: DIS: Proto-Pledge: The Note Exchange

2008-04-12 Thread ihope
On 12/04/2008, Charles Reiss [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You're probably going to need explicit language to allow the other person to announce the spending on behalf of the spender. Easy fix, I suppose: If a person holds a set of Credits, e may by announcement redeem the Credits, specifying a

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: The Bank of Agora: Banker's Report

2008-04-14 Thread ihope
On 14/04/2008, Ben Caplan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It is interesting to note that, had the BoA joined the AAA after the messages in question, but before issuing its report, then upon self- ratification a week from now the pens (but not the crops) would have sprung into existence, creating an

Re: DIS: Proto-Contest: The Fight Arena

2008-04-14 Thread ihope
Got my vote (even though it's not a proposal), though you may want to reconsider how the contract flips switches that can only be flipped by the Referee. Is that legal? Also, the Referee announcing what Weapons were used would be nice. --Ivan Hope CXXVII

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: The Bank of Agora: Banker's Report

2008-04-16 Thread ihope
On 4/16/08, Benjamin Schultz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This sounds like there's potential for shady underhanded deals (like real bankers). Will depositing a 5 crop be enough to qualify me as a Banker? I'm sure it will be plenty. Just trade it in (the deposit rate is 126.8, giving you 126 pens;

DIS: Re: BUS: The Bank of Agora: Banker's Report

2008-04-16 Thread ihope
On 4/16/08, Ed Murphy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I intend to make the set of changes I just sent to the other Bankers to the Bank of Agora contract. I'll tell you what the changes are when I make them. I consent. I now have sufficient consent, but if OscarMeyr is willing to trade in a 5

DIS: Re: BUS: The Bank of Agora: Banker's Report

2008-04-17 Thread ihope
Unofficial mini-report: Ivan Hope CXXVII: 563 pens (Banker) comex: 116 pens (Banker) The AFO: 116 pens (Banker) Wooble: 114 pens (Banker) BobTHJ: 0 pens (Banker) Murphy: 0 pens (Banker) This is a total of 909 pens, so the threshold is 91. I think BobTHJ and Murphy still have been under it for

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: The Bank of Agora: Banker's Report

2008-04-18 Thread ihope
On 4/17/08, Ed Murphy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ivan Hope wrote: Murphy: 0 pens (Banker) I should have 44 pens. (A transaction history would facilitate getting to the bottom of issues like this.) Indeed, a transaction history would be helpful. I'll see about coming up with one. --Ivan

DIS: Re: BUS: Proto: Positions

2008-04-22 Thread ihope
How does an imposed position get filled? --Ivan Hope CXXVII

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proto: Positions

2008-04-22 Thread ihope
On Tue, Apr 22, 2008 at 11:28 AM, Ian Kelly [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: But now that I think about it, the proto ought to have a clause indicating that backing documents can fill imposed positions however they like. This currently works for the Speaker because the installation is performed by a

DIS: Re: BUS: We haven't had any good partnership scams in a while

2008-04-25 Thread ihope
On Fri, Apr 25, 2008 at 5:45 AM, Ed Murphy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The AFO deposits 10 crops for 640 pens. The AFO withdraws 10 crops for 580 pens. Precedent is that seed must be specified even if the AFO or BoA holds only one type of crop. Therefore, all this deposit/withdrawal stuff fails.

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: We haven't had any good partnership scams in a while

2008-04-25 Thread ihope
On Fri, Apr 25, 2008 at 3:49 PM, Geoffrey Spear [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, Apr 25, 2008 at 3:41 PM, ihope [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well, if this had worked, an equity case could have been initiated demanding that the AFO destroy all the pens created this way. I'd hope a judge

Re: DIS: Proto-Proposal - Community Service

2008-04-25 Thread ihope
On Fri, Apr 25, 2008 at 12:29 PM, Iammars [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: { * COMMUNITY SERVICE with a task (the perscribed task), appropriate for when the ninny has failed to do something that e was required to do or in other situations with a similar severity as FINE. When in effect, the

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: An unconventional way to create a rule

2008-04-27 Thread ihope
On Fri, Apr 25, 2008 at 10:27 PM, comex [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I made my comment in a-d-- does it count as acting? If I am not allowed to truthfully describe the game in any forum, does that violate my R101 right of participation in the fora? You did agree to act as if it were a rule; I

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: CFJ

2008-04-28 Thread ihope
On Mon, Apr 28, 2008 at 5:23 PM, comex [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Um, wait, of course it's not, because it hasn't identified itself as such. I retract that CFJ. I'm the only one who agreed to IRCnomic; therefore, it's not a contract yet. --Ivan Hope CXXVII

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [IADoP] nominations

2008-04-29 Thread ihope
On Tue, Apr 29, 2008 at 4:08 PM, Ian Kelly [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Which parts of the Notary's responsibilities are too overwhelming? Maybe that office just needs some relief. Nah, I'm just not feeling well at the moment and would enjoy some variety. --Ivan Hope CXXVII

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: I wish to register

2008-04-29 Thread ihope
On Tue, Apr 29, 2008 at 7:52 PM, Benjamin Schultz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Welcome to the game, H. New Player Offhanded! Why the H? --Ivan Hope CXXVII

DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: Economic overview

2008-04-30 Thread ihope
On Wed, Apr 30, 2008 at 2:56 AM, Ed Murphy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Pens Bank of Agora Ivan Hope The recordkeepor of pens is the Bank of Agora, actually. (Also, calling me Ivan Hope is an insult to my 126 ancestors of that same name.) --Ivan Hope CXXVII

DIS: Re: BUS: Bank of Agora Report

2008-05-02 Thread ihope
Bankers shall take turns publishing the text of and parties to this contract and ownership of pens. We really ought to figure out whose turn it is this week before the week is over. --Ivan Hope CXXVII

DIS: Proto-Contract: Flat as a Pancake

2008-05-02 Thread ihope
I (do not, yet) agree to the following set of Articles, with the intention of being bound by them: Article 1: The set of Articles this contract, agreement or other regulation consists of is known as the Articles of Pancake. Any regulation consisting of the Articles of Pancake is a Branch of

Re: DIS: Proto-Contract: Flat as a Pancake

2008-05-02 Thread ihope
On Fri, May 2, 2008 at 8:30 PM, Ed Murphy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ivan Hope wrote: Article 4: If the Articles state that a person can perform an action, it can be performed by sending a public message. A message to a public forum, as the term is defined by Agora or B Nomic, is a public

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Various Banking activities

2008-05-08 Thread ihope
On Thu, May 8, 2008 at 4:55 PM, Taral [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 5/8/08, ihope [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I deposit one Vote Point for 39 pens. (Let's see how quickly and eagerly that gets snatched up!) Since I think Vote Points are more valuable than that, I change the Vote

DIS: Re: BUS: Farming

2008-05-09 Thread ihope
On Fri, May 9, 2008 at 5:36 PM, Benjamin Schultz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I mill 4 - 4 = 0. Couldn't you have done the same with the Bank of Agora and had some pens (and use of your mill) left over? --Ivan Hope CXXVII

DIS: Re: BUS: Flat as a Pancake, Real Edition

2008-05-09 Thread ihope
On Wed, May 7, 2008 at 7:57 PM, ihope [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I submit a Suggestion: Create an Article, with the text If an Article does not have a number, its number becomes the lowest positive integer Did everyone get these Suggestions, by the way? I don't think they echoed. --Ivan Hope

DIS: Re: OFF: [CotC] CFJ 1944 assigned to Ivan Hope

2008-05-11 Thread ihope
On Sun, May 11, 2008 at 12:44 AM, Ed Murphy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If I were to post to a public forum any of the following statements, I would be a player: 1. I am a player. 2. I declare myself to be a player. I think the distinction here is whether the statement would

Re: DIS: RE: Re: BUS: anarchy!

2008-05-11 Thread ihope
On Sun, May 11, 2008 at 7:27 AM, Alexander Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Proto: Increase R869's power to 2.1, and add changes to player's citizenship are secured. No reason to leave loopholes floating around... Why 2.1? Are there rules of power 2 you want this to take precedence over? Being

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [CotC] CFJ 1946 assigned to Goethe

2008-05-12 Thread ihope
On Mon, May 12, 2008 at 1:29 PM, Kerim Aydin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This is also true. The contract itself defines what a member of the religion is -- but does not precisely equate it with being party to the contract, The preamble says This religion is a private contract...I am the

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [CotC] CFJ 1946 assigned to Goethe

2008-05-13 Thread ihope
On Tue, May 13, 2008 at 1:36 AM, Kerim Aydin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, 12 May 2008, ihope wrote: A party to a contract is not the same as a member of a contract. All members are parties, but not all parties are members. When no definition or distinction is explicitly made

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [CotC] CFJ 1940 assigned to Wooble

2008-05-14 Thread ihope
On Tue, May 13, 2008 at 9:46 AM, Geoffrey Spear [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The defendant clearly deliberately failed to act in accordance with eir obligations under the pledge in question, and apparently did so for the sole purpose of bringing this criminal case against emself. E also made no

Re: DIS: Return of the Oligarchy (draft 1)

2008-05-14 Thread ihope
Cute. For the VLOD thing, I guess I'd suggest sticking it in the same place as the chokey penalty. What I'd really like to see, though, is having a King of the Hill whose VLOD is multiplied by something, but making the King of the Hill position especially difficult to get and lasting for a finite

Re: DIS: RE: Return of the Oligarchy (draft 1)

2008-05-14 Thread ihope
On Wed, May 14, 2008 at 6:25 PM, Alexander Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That leads to some sort of strange feedback loop when the EVLOD and VVLOD are both set to the same value by averaging. The proto should really make that clearer, somehow. Quite. People would quickly end up with VLODs of

Re: DIS: Proto: Value diversity

2008-05-15 Thread ihope
Technically, I don't think non-office recordkeepors are obligated to keep track of their assets at all. --Ivan Hope CXXVII

DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: Fix OVERLOOKED

2008-05-16 Thread ihope
Won't this require that the alleged act actually occurred? It is fine to have non-GUILTY options overlap. --Ivan Hope CXXVII

Re: DIS: RE: [CotC] CFJ 1935 assigned to ais523 (proto-judgement)

2008-05-16 Thread ihope
I suggest judging GUILTY, since this sort of thing surely hasn't stopped judges in the past, and EXILE for 1 second, which will clear out (most of) eir stuff but still allow em to play. --Ivan Hope CXXVII

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [CotC] CFJ 1963 assigned to OscarMeyr

2008-05-22 Thread ihope
On Thu, May 22, 2008 at 5:45 PM, Kerim Aydin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, 22 May 2008, ihope wrote: R101 protects my right to participate in the fora. Revealing private contracts is participating in the fora. R101 takes precedence over R2173. If this were true, the right to free speech

DIS: Re: BUS: No unappealable judgements

2008-05-22 Thread ihope
On Wed, May 21, 2008 at 11:01 PM, Ben Caplan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I submit the following proposal, entitled No unappealable judgements, with AI=1.7 and II=1: {{ Amend rule 911 by inserting the text of REMAND or REASSIGN after a judgement in the second paragraph. }} That text appears

DIS: Re: BUS: RE: Re: OFF: [CotC] CFJ 1958 assigned to Wooble

2008-05-22 Thread ihope
On Thu, May 22, 2008 at 8:02 AM, Alexander Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Arguments: I suspect FALSE. The contract in question defines an Annoucement of Chaos as something which destroys all rules and then terminates the contract. If I remember the punctuation correctly, it was an Announcement

DIS: Re: OFF: [CotC] CFJ 1966 assigned to Ivan Hope

2008-05-23 Thread ihope
On Fri, May 23, 2008 at 9:41 AM, Ed Murphy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: R101 item i. reads: i. The map being obviously the most important rule, every person has the right to move it back up to the top of the ruleset if the Rulekeepor put it down near the bottom again. Well, i.

DIS: Re: OFF: Accountor's Report

2008-05-24 Thread ihope
On Sat, May 24, 2008 at 9:43 PM, Taral [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Accountor's Report Date of last report: never Date of this report: now Trumpets: The letter I: 1 That's the type of report I'd be happy with doing on a regular basis. I suggest that we stop making ourselves recordkeepors and

Re: BUS: Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [CotC] CFJ 1966 assigned to Ivan Hope

2008-05-25 Thread ihope
On Sun, May 25, 2008 at 9:17 PM, Geoffrey Spear [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sun, May 25, 2008 at 9:07 PM, ihope [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Also, there is no evidence that I've seen that anybody has agreed to anything that happens to be a current subset of the rules The fact that we're all

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [CotC] CFJ 1966 remanded to Ivan Hope

2008-06-04 Thread ihope
On Mon, Jun 2, 2008 at 11:05 PM, Ed Murphy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ivan Hope wrote: Implicit consent is not explicit consent. I judge the same thing as before, which is TRUE. Rule 1742 does not require explicit consent. I intend (with 2 support) to appeal this case, and I recommend that

DIS: Re: BUS: Bank of Agora Report

2008-06-04 Thread ihope
On Wed, Jun 4, 2008 at 3:37 PM, Roger Hicks [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The Treasurer shall publish a report including the text and parties of this contract and the ownership of pens. What, only once? You need to specify that e shall do it more than once if e shall do it more than once. --Ivan

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: CFJ 1984?

2008-06-04 Thread ihope
On Wed, Jun 4, 2008 at 5:28 PM, Ben Caplan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I suggest you submit some arguments to the effect that this case should not just be summarily judged IRRELEVANT. It would be appropriate if this got dragged out in the courts indefinitely. We all know that it's quite possible

Re: DIS: RE: Hall of Sensibility

2008-06-04 Thread ihope
On Wed, Jun 4, 2008 at 8:14 PM, Ed Murphy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What might be better is to refactor rounding rules, e.g. banker's rounding = breaking ties toward even integers anti-banker's rounding = breaking ties toward odd integers Break ties by flipping a coin. Even better, do all

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [CotC] CFJ 1936a assigned to root, BobTHJ, Ivan Hope

2008-06-13 Thread ihope
On Fri, Jun 13, 2008 at 1:56 AM, Ian Kelly [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I intend to send the following message on behalf of the panel, with the support of BobTHJ and Ivan Hope: Prior Judge Murphy's interpretation of Rule 2169 is a reasonable one in the face of real inclarity in the rule in

DIS: Re: BUS: Defendant notifications

2008-06-13 Thread ihope
On Fri, Jun 13, 2008 at 1:12 AM, Ed Murphy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://zenith.homelinux.net/cotc/viewcase.php?cfj=1995 My defense: if you do not judge UNIMPUGNED, I will hit you with a spoon. I end the pre-trial phase. http://zenith.homelinux.net/cotc/viewcase.php?cfj=2004 My defense:

Re: DIS: OVERLOOKED is still broken

2008-06-13 Thread ihope
On Fri, Jun 13, 2008 at 2:22 AM, Ed Murphy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ivan Hope, Pavitra, Zefram: Why did you vote against Proposal 5520? I don't know. I'd probably vote FOR it if it were proposed again. --Ivan Hope CXXVII

DIS: Re: BAK: Proto-Judgement on 1989, ponderances of 1990

2008-06-13 Thread ihope
On Tue, Jun 10, 2008 at 12:23 PM, Ian Kelly [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It doesn't need to use the word MAY specifically. The definition of MAY from R2152 is, Performing the described action does not violate the rule in question. So if performing the action in question does not violate R101 --

Re: BUS: Re: DIS: Re: BAK: Proto-Judgement on 1989, ponderances of 1990

2008-06-13 Thread ihope
On Fri, Jun 13, 2008 at 1:04 PM, Ian Kelly [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: For example, compare the sentence Horses with no broken legs can race to Horses can race if no horse has broken legs. Both are conditional upon the same criterion -- existence of broken legs -- but the first depends only on

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Isn't that just silly?

2008-06-13 Thread ihope
On Fri, Jun 13, 2008 at 3:07 PM, Ian Kelly [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Just because R2193 does not use the word recordkeepor does not mean that the CotC is not a recordkeepor of monsters. I think it does, recordkeepor being a rule-defined term that the rules define only for assets. --Ivan Hope

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Isn't that just silly?

2008-06-13 Thread ihope
On Fri, Jun 13, 2008 at 3:20 PM, Ian Kelly [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: But what the hey, let's have some fun with this. I throw Ivan Hope CXXVII into the chokey. No entity is in the chokey except as required by this rule. This IS fun. --Ivan Hope Colonhyphenrightparenthesis

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: The Werewolves of Agora Nomic

2008-06-14 Thread ihope
On 6/14/08, Ian Kelly [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sat, Jun 14, 2008 at 7:01 PM, Ed Murphy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In either case, the contestmaster SHALL (in the same announcement causing it to occur) award floor(P/N) points to each townsperson, where P is the maximum number of

DIS: Re: OFF: distribution of proposals 5547-5555

2008-06-16 Thread ihope
Proposal 5554 (Democratic, AI=3, Interest=1) by Ivan Hope Isn't that just silly? In rule 101, remove ii. Every player has the right to perform an action which is not regulated. and subtract 1 from the number of each following element of the list. Replace the text of rule 2125 with It is

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Housecleaning

2008-06-16 Thread ihope
On Mon, Jun 16, 2008 at 4:31 PM, comex [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I intend, with Agoran Consent, to make Jeremy a zombie with myself as zombiemaster. I support. --Ivan Hope NTTPF

DIS: Re: BUS: Banking, farming

2008-06-16 Thread ihope
Just to say so, when I wrote the Bank of Agora contract, I intended the announcements for depositing and withdrawing to include both what's deposited and withdrawn and the number of pens. --Ivan Hope CXXVII

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: distribution of proposals 5547-5555

2008-06-16 Thread ihope
On Mon, Jun 16, 2008 at 7:28 PM, Ben Caplan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: How about making statements to the DF that I haven't taken the time to carefully evaluate for truthfulness? Or, for that matter, making jokes to the DF (see CFJ 1849 and [EMAIL PROTECTED])? The rules can't stop you from

Re: DIS: BOA

2008-06-16 Thread ihope
On Mon, Jun 16, 2008 at 8:53 PM, Quazie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Then I ask the kind Bankers of the BOA to consider an exchange rate for Points. Points are a fixed currency, so they can't be transferred (and that includes depositing or withdrawing them at the Bank of Agora). --Ivan Hope

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