Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Zombie Kenyon gives up and builds a mine instead

[Benjamin Schultz]

On Sun, Jul 1, 2018 at 9:00 AM, Corona  wrote:

> By the way, you don't need to specify sequential order as (R478):
>
> Actions in messages (including
>   sub-messages) are performed in the order they appear in the
>   message, unless otherwise specified.
>
>
> ~Corona
>

There's possibilities there to have a little fun.  Try specifying a
non-sequential order for actions, or even ask for random order.

OscarMeyr

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: CFJ 3642 judged FALSE

[Benjamin Schultz]

On Tue, Jun 26, 2018 at 9:25 PM, Ørjan Johansen  wrote:

> On Tue, 26 Jun 2018, Benjamin Schultz wrote:
>
> I too would love to see your logic.  My reasoning for using the honorific
>> "Right" as a noun instead of as an adjective rests on an understanding of
>> ancient, non-alphabetic languages.
>>
>
> I think you mean "as an adjective instead of as an adverb".
>
> Greetings,
> Ørjan.
>

English is hard.

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: CFJ 3642 judged FALSE

[Benjamin Schultz]

I too would love to see your logic.  My reasoning for using the honorific
"Right" as a noun instead of as an adjective rests on an understanding of
ancient, non-alphabetic languages.

   OscarMeyr

On Tue, Jun 26, 2018 at 11:52 AM, Kerim Aydin 
wrote:

>
>
> Love to see your logic! When I last had the job I kept meaning to
> rearrange
> the Herald's Scroll to be by-person, e.g. OscarMeyr the Thrice-Victorious,
> Conspirator of Fantasies, Spinner of Scams, 12th Degree Bureaucrat, O.L.
>
> On Tue, 26 Jun 2018, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus wrote:
> > Under my logic, you are only entitled to be called The Victorious
> > OscarMeyr. I put together my logic on a whim to try to give more usage to
> > patent titles, but if people wanted to know it, I could write it up and
> > share it.
> > On Tue, Jun 26, 2018 at 10:40 Benjamin Schultz <
> ben.dov.schu...@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > Should I ever re-register, I am tempted to insist on being addressed as
> > > "the Right and Victorious OscarMeyr".
> > >
> >
>
>

DIS: Re: BUS: CFJ 3642 judged FALSE

[Benjamin Schultz]

Should I ever re-register, I am tempted to insist on being addressed as
"the Right and Victorious OscarMeyr".

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Got some new toys.

[Benjamin Schultz]

Stop it, stop it!  This sketch is too silly!

   OscarMeyr

On Tue, Jun 12, 2018 at 9:48 AM, Timon Walshe-Grey  wrote:

> I actually knew that already, so I'm not sure what I was thinking when I
> wrote that. Thanks for the correction, though.
>
> -twg
> ​​
>
> ‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐
>
> On June 12, 2018 12:35 PM, Corona  wrote:
>
> > ​​
> >
> > FYI: The Spivak pronoun nominative is "e", not "ey" (reflecting "he" and
> >
> > "she"), though you can, of course, use any pronouns you want.
> >
> > I favor the CFJ called by V.J. Rada in this thread.
> >
> > On Tuesday, June 12, 2018, Timon Walshe-Grey m...@timon.red wrote:
> >
> > > I become a party to the contract "Sillyness by contract".
> > >
> > > I act on behalf of V.J. Rada to perform the following actions: {
> > >
> > > Destroy 1 apple to move V.J. Rada to (0, -1).
> > >
> > > Destroy 1 apple to move V.J. Rada to (-1, -1).
> > >
> > > Transfer all liquid assets from the mine at (-1, -1) to V.J. Rada.
> > >
> > > Transfer 3 stone and 2 ore from V.J. Rada to Trigon.
> > >
> > > }
> > >
> > > This meets the requirement of being extremely silly because it is only
> > >
> > > necessary due to a minor grammatical error on Trigon's part, and it
> meets
> > >
> > > the requirement of not harming V.J. Rada's standing in the game
> > >
> > > significantly because eir only loss from these actions is 2 apples
> (which
> > >
> > > ey already have plenty of) and the right to transfer assets from a
> > >
> > > preserved facility before next Friday (which ey already have enough
> assets
> > >
> > > not to have much need of).
> > >
> > > -twg
> > >
> > > ‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐
> > >
> > > On June 12, 2018 10:31 AM, Ned Strange edwardostra...@gmail.com wrote:
> > >
> > > > it doesn't, do it again
> > > >
> > > > On Tue, Jun 12, 2018 at 8:25 PM, Reuben Staley
> reuben.sta...@gmail.com
> > > >
> > > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Could you guys let me do one thing in this game without pointing
> out
> > > > >
> > > > > how I
> > > >
> > > > > messed up?
> > > > >
> > > > > Okay, okay. Here's a flimsy argument for why this works:
> > > > >
> > > > > I could only possibly transfer items to myself from a facility on a
> > > > >
> > > > > land
> > > >
> > > > > unit I'm on. Therefore, "that unit" should mean "the unit I'm on"
> since
> > > > >
> > > > > that's the only option for transferring. Therefore, the attempt
> > > > >
> > > > > succeeds.
> > > >
> > > > > On Tue, Jun 12, 2018, 04:13 Timon Walshe-Grey m...@timon.red wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > On June 12, 2018 8:25 AM, Reuben Staley reuben.sta...@gmail.com
> > > > > >
> > > > > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > > > I destroy a coin to make (-2, -1) black and switch the
> alternating
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > type.
> > > >
> > > > > > > I transfer the mine on that unit's resources to myself.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe this fails, because (-2,
> -1)
> > > > > >
> > > > > > doesn't have a mine on it, and wasn't where you were standing
> > > > > >
> > > > > > anyway. I
> > > >
> > > > > > think you meant to reference the mine at (-1, -1), but I can't
> come
> > > > > >
> > > > > > up with
> > > >
> > > > > > a parsing where "that unit" refers to anything other than (-2,
> -1).
> > > > > >
> > > > > > -twg
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > >
> > > > From V.J. Rada
> >
> > --
> >
> > ~Corona
>
>
>

Re: DIS: Proto: More Advanced Land Features

[Benjamin Schultz]

Yay!  Q*Bert might come back!

Also, I move to split the proposal.

   OscarMeyr

DIS: Re: BUS: looting the bodies

[Benjamin Schultz]

On Mon, Apr 9, 2018 at 9:31 PM, Kerim Aydin  wrote:

>
>
> One more step first!
>
> I set PSS's master switch to VJ Rada.  (Registrar duty).
>
> *now* you can act on behalf of em.
>
> We really should fix that, no reason it shouldn't be self-service when you
> pay (for any auction not just zombies).
>

Here's an off the cuff fix.  Anybody see any meaningful issues with it?

Draft: Short-circuit Auction Resolution

Amend R2551 by replacing the text:
{
When e does so, the Auctioneer SHALL transfer the
items in that lot to that winner in a timely fashion. If the
Auctioneer is not a person, then a person authorized to cause the
Auctioneer to transfer those items SHALL do so in a timely fashion
after the winner pays the Auctioneer, instead.
}

with:

{
When e does so, the Auctioneer immediately and automatically transfers
the items in that lot to that winner, if the Auctioneer CAN and MAY do so.
}

OscarMeyr

Re: DIS: Processing facilities

[Benjamin Schultz]

On Tue, Apr 10, 2018 at 1:05 PM, Kenyon Prater 
wrote:

>
> Since facilities can own the refinable assets and Economics doesn't
> prohibit them from being transfered to them, any player can give any
> refinable asset to them. There's no requirement of being on the same tile
> or anything.
>

Maybe there should be some distance limit.  Just as a suggestion, a
player's location has to be less than a Manhattan distance of 2 from a
facility to give it a refinable asset.

OscarMeyr

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: becoming a player

[Benjamin Schultz]

On Tue, Apr 3, 2018 at 2:17 PM, Reuben Staley 
wrote:

> Welcome, Ouri!
>
> Benjamin's player name is OscarMeyr. Generally, players will sign their
> messages with their player name, so you can usually tell what they want to
> be called by how they sign their messages.
>
>
Please keep in mind, Ouri, that despite my activity I am not a current
player.

Maybe it's time for me to re-register, hmm?

OscarMeyr

DIS: Re: OFF: becoming a player

[Benjamin Schultz]

On Tue, Apr 3, 2018 at 11:14 AM, אורי פופקו  wrote:

> I intend to become a player at this time
>

שלום, אורי! אני רוקדת את הריקוד של קבלת הפנים.

(I did that through Google Translate, as I don't know the proper words for
the second sentence.)

OscarMeyr

Re: BUS: Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [ADoP] Metareport

[Benjamin Schultz]

On Mon, Mar 19, 2018 at 1:20 PM, Aris Merchant <
thoughtsoflifeandligh...@gmail.com> wrote:

> We really need a Rulekeepor. It's probably the most important office on
> that list. Gaelan, are you interested in taking that on again?
>
>
Once (or n-ce) upon a time, the Speaker was the backup for all unfilled or
late offices.  Has deputization fallen short, to the point where that could
be brought back?


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Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Reportor] Weekly Report

[Benjamin Schultz]

I'm curious about that next-to-last paragraph:  "anyone can deputise to
bootstrap an office (or even the game if there are ever no players)."  Even
me?

Still lacking the time to play, but often available to kibitz,
OscarMeyr

Re: DIS: Proto: Avoid a race condition

[Benjamin Schultz]

On Wed, Dec 20, 2017 at 9:51 PM, Edward Murphy  wrote:

> Proto-Proposal: Avoid a race condition
> (AI = 3)
>
> Amend Rule 2160 (Deputisation) by replacing this text:
>
>   When a player deputises via normal deputisation for an elected
>   office, e becomes the holder of that office.
>
> with this text:
>
>   When a player deputises via normal deputisation for an elected
>   office, e becomes the holder of that office, unless the action
>   being performed would already install someone into that office.
>
>
s/someone/someone else/

   OscarMeyr

Re: DIS: merry christmas guys

[Benjamin Schultz]

Happy new year, Agora and all the Agorans!

   OscarMeyr

Re: DIS: Status update: Fixing Thunderbird

[Benjamin Schultz]

My mail provider killed access to Thunderbird a while ago.

   OscarMeyr

On Wed, Dec 20, 2017 at 10:00 PM, Edward Murphy  wrote:

> For the dozens (AND DOZENS!) of players who use Thunderbird, here's how
> to make it respect Reply-To:
>   * Tools -> Options
>   * Advanced -> General -> Config Editor
>   * mail.override_list_reply_to = false
>
>

Re: DIS: Become Herald!

[Benjamin Schultz]

On Mon, Nov 20, 2017 at 11:10 AM, Kerim Aydin 
wrote:

>
>
> On Mon, 20 Nov 2017, ATMunn wrote:
> > Office Holder   Since Last Election
> > 
> -
> > Herald VACANT   2017-11-17[4] Ongoing
> > 
> -
>
> Herald is a great office for a first-time officeholder.  Easy
> to track, and fun to find creative ways to add color to the game.
>
> Nominate for Herald Today!
>

If nominated, I pledge not to qualify.

OscarMeyr, still having enough time to kibitz but not enough to play.

Re: DIS: Silly Proposal Query

[Benjamin Schultz]

On Mon, Oct 16, 2017 at 7:36 PM, Ørjan Johansen  wrote:

> On Mon, 16 Oct 2017, Kerim Aydin wrote:
>
> On Mon, 16 Oct 2017, Josh T wrote:
>>
>>> About Silly proposals I am vexed:Of the rule's intention I am perplexed;
>>> Ought the proposal's mood be most merry,
>>> Or it's meaning and tone be contrary?
>>>
>>
>> The Rule's a blank slate
>> With no preconceived notions
>> Whatever you like
>>
>
> Despite your reply
> for autumny Silliness
> haikus do not count
>

Haiku can be serious,
Or lighten the heart.
Silly is as silly does.

   OscarMeyr

Re: DIS: test

[Benjamin Schultz]

On Tue, Sep 19, 2017 at 12:00 AM, Kerim Aydin 
wrote:

>
>
> On Tue, 19 Sep 2017, Cuddle Beam wrote:
> > test
>
> This concludes our test of the emergency scam response system.
>
> Had this been an actual working scam, it probably wouldn't have
> involved CuddleBeam


I refer the interested students to the list of Scamsters.

OscarMeyr

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Weekly Report

[Benjamin Schultz]

On Thu, Apr 20, 2017 at 3:26 PM, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus <
p.scribonius.scholasti...@googlemail.com> wrote:

> My Copy of RONR11 would also suggest that it is a point of order, given
> that it is a custom of the Assembly.
>
> 
> Publius Scribonius Scholasticus
>
> RONR is up to edition 11?  I may need to get a copy for my birthday!

OscarMeyr

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Weekly Report

[Benjamin Schultz]

On Wed, Apr 19, 2017 at 1:18 PM, Kerim Aydin  wrote:

>
>
> Minor point of order for new folks:
>
> We've historically promoted bottom-posting for replies (with editing of
> past
> thread pieces allowed).  Unfortunately not well-supported by current email
> clients.  I mildly prefer bottom-posting for things like judicial threads
> with
> counter arguments.  Ultimately, I don't mind either way, but the
> combination of
> different people using both bottom and top-posting makes these longer
> threads a
> bit challenging to follow :)
>

Nitpicking point of procedure:

You raised a point of personal privilege, having to do with ease of or
impediments to participation, instead of a point of order, a breach of
procedure.  At least according to RONR10, and Agora by custom follows S

DIS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Weekly Report

[Benjamin Schultz]

On Fri, Mar 31, 2017 at 6:57 PM, Aris Merchant <
thoughtsoflifeandligh...@gmail.com> wrote:

> The proposal pool is currently empty.
>

Draft proposal: Encourage activity
When the proposal pool has been empty for two consecutive Agoran weeks, the
Speaker SHOULD submit a proposal.

   OscarMeyr


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DIS: Re: BUS: Health issues

[Benjamin Schultz]

On Sat, Jan 7, 2017 at 8:16 PM, Alexis Hunt  wrote:

> Sorry everyone, but I deregister.
>
> Alexis
>

Get well soon, Alexis.

   OscarMeyr

DIS: Re: OFF: [Superintendent] Agency Directory

[Benjamin Schultz]

On Sun, Dec 18, 2016 at 3:59 PM, Alexis Hunt  wrote:

> No agencies.
>

In R2467 "TLAs", would this fix be appropriate?
s/Director/Head

OscarMeyr

Re: DIS: a quiet protest march

[Benjamin Schultz]

On Thu, Dec 1, 2016 at 7:55 PM, Kerim Aydin  wrote:

>
>
> On Thu, 1 Dec 2016, Kerim Aydin wrote:
> >   Rules to the contrary notwithstanding, Agora is satisfied with
> >   any intent to perform a dependent action is the Dictator is a
> >   supporter.
>
>
>
As currently phrased, it seems to me that any effort to rely on that
sentence would terminate with a fatal error.  I do admit that my
interpretation depends on what the meaning of "is" is.

OscarMeyr

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: Shame

[Benjamin Schultz]

On Sun, Nov 6, 2016 at 4:47 PM, Aris Merchant  wrote:

> Are you sure we want shame on green cards?
>

Shame, I recall, is the opposite of honor.  So it should be on purple cards.

OscarMeyr, obscurely referencing a mid-80s CRPG

DIS: Re: BUS: 登録書

[Benjamin Schultz]

2016-11-07 2:03 GMT-05:00 Aris Merchant 
:

> 登録おめでとうございます！Sorry if my translator got things wrong, in either direction.
> Anyone actually speak Japanese?
>
> -Aris
>

.אני למדתי יפנית בתיכון. עם זאת, זה היה לפני יותר מעשר שנים

OscarMeyr

Re: DIS: Not very game related: Why are you here?

[Benjamin Schultz]

ais, I'm curious what experiments you want to try, and whether I can help
with refining the experiments.  (Just as long as I'm not the person who has
to wear the hazard suit and go into the test chamber.)

OscarMeyr


On Tue, Oct 11, 2016 at 11:40 PM, ais523 
wrote:

> On Tue, 2016-10-11 at 20:33 -0700, Aris Merchant wrote:
> > Mine is boring. I saw Nomic mentioned on Wikipedia. A bit of Internet
> > browsing later, and I turned up here. It looked interesting, so I
> > signed up, and here I am. You?
>
> I'd known about Nomic for ages (from an article by IIRC Douglas
> Hofstatder that quoted Suber's original definition of Nomic), and
> thought it might be interesting to see what one is like.
>
> Then I stayed because while a nomic is active, it gives interesting
> insights into economics, politics and law. In particular, I suspect a
> sufficiently large nomic would be a safe sandbox in which to try
> certain economic experiments without having to destroy the real-world
> economy.
>
> When Agora's quiet, I stay simply because it doesn't take up much of my
> time. Right now I'm in reaction mode; I don't really initiate anything
> but I respond to things that request my input, or that I think would
> benefit from it. (For example, when I'm assigned to judge a CFJ, I do
> that.)
>
> --
> ais523
>

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: CFJs Regarding OscarMeyr

[Benjamin Schultz]

On Wed, Aug 3, 2016 at 9:36 PM, nichdel  wrote:

> Secretary reports list eir budget in the ABM. E should have no budget
> switch if e is not a player.
>
>  Original message 
> From: Kerim Aydin 
> Date: 8/3/16 18:30 (GMT-06:00)
> To: Agora Discussion 
> Subject: DIS: Re: BUS: CFJs Regarding OscarMeyr
>
>
>
> On Wed, 3 Aug 2016, nichdel wrote:
> > I submit the following statements for judgement, barring OscarMeyr from
> > judging them (luckily, barring applies to people, not players).
> >
> > 1) OscarMeyr is not currently a player.
> >
> > 2) OscarMeyr hasn't been a player since January 28th, 2014.
>
> Can you provide any arguments as to why e's a player, given that,
> if nothing else, umpteen registrar's reports have ratified that
> e isn't a player during this time?
>

On Wed, Aug 3, 2016 at 9:36 PM, nichdel  wrote:
> Secretary reports list eir budget in the ABM. E should have no budget
switch if e is not a player.

Gracious nichdel, if that's your issue, how about CingFJ on that question?

OscarMeyr

DIS: Re: BUS: thanks to omd, you are reading this

[Benjamin Schultz]

On Mon, Jul 25, 2016 at 7:02 PM, Kerim Aydin  wrote:

>
>
> WHEREAS:  The Patent Title Distributor was previously rules-defined
> as belonging to the administrator of the main fora;
>
> and WHEREAS:  That particular definition was repealed before the
> current administrator took up eir role;
>
> and WHEREAS:  as Patent Titles aren't generally removed, there are
> two people who continue to hold that title;
>
> and WHEREAS:  The current administrator of the main mailing lists has
> performed that role ably and with distinction for longer than at least
> one person who holds the Patent Title;
>
> and WHEREAS:  If e was not performing that task, I might be writing
> this but you wouldn't be reading this;
>
> THEREFORE: I CALL FOR SUPPORT and announce my intent (as Herald) to
> award the Patent Title Distributor to omd, with 2 Agoran Consent.
>
>
>
> I deport. .)

OscarMeyr

DIS: Re: BUS: The usual registration business

[Benjamin Schultz]

Welcome back, --the Warrigal

OscarMeyr


On Tue, Jul 12, 2016 at 9:37 PM, Tanner Swett  wrote:

> I register, with my chosen nickname as below.
>
> --the Warrigal
>

Re: DIS: An Attempt To Register

[Benjamin Schultz]

On Wed, Mar 9, 2016 at 11:16 PM, Wesley Sonheim  wrote:

> This is an announcement by me making known my intention to join Agora, in
> accordance with rule 869.
>
> --
> -GeraldP.
>

Welcome, GeraldP!  Please send your registration message to the public
forum agora-busin...@agoranomic.org.

OscarMeyr

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DIS: Happy New Year, Agora!

[Benjamin Schultz]

In accordance with a repealed Rule --

Happy New Year, Agora and all Agorans!

OscarMeyr

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DIS: Re: BUS: Joining Organizations

[Benjamin Schultz]

On Mon, Dec 21, 2015 at 9:17 AM, Alex Smith <ais...@bham.ac.uk> wrote:

> On Mon, 2015-12-21 at 09:05 -0500, Benjamin Schultz wrote:
> > I'm curious about a few things.  So:
> >
> > 1. I flip my budget switch for The Agoran Betting Market to 50.
> > 2. I accept aranea's Bet that I quote above, that no valid FLR will be
> > published between the time of eir Bet and Dec 24.  (I presume the year
> 2015
> > is implied.)
> > 3. I CFJ on the following statement:  "OscarMeyr has joined The Agoran
> > Betting Market."  As evidence, I submit this email message.  I was not a
> > member of ABM before this message.  I refer the H. Judge to tABM's
> charter,
> > particularly paragraph 4:  "Any non-member of this Organization can join
> it
> > via flipping eir Budget Switch to 50."
>
> Hmm, the text of the organization's charter isn't a rule and can't
> define mechanisms to perform actions. It should say "It is Appropriate
> for a non-member of this Organization to flip eir Budget Switch to 50,
> thus joining it." Looks like another bug I'll have to fix in the ABM
> before it really gets going... (And I submit this paragraph as arguments
> on the CFJ called in the above-quoted message.) I'm still getting used
> to this new style of things where Organizations can't define actions,
> simply hold opinions as to their possibility.
>
> Additionally, AFAICT (the Registrar is very behind) you're a nonplayer.
> The switch you tried to flip doesn't actually exist, and thus it would
> have been impossible (at quite a high power) to flip it. "Member" is
> defined in a rule, thus any (potentially erroneous) definition the
> Charter might give is overridden. "Has joined" probably isn't, but this
> may just lead to the CFJ being ruled irrelevant, because neither the
> Organization nor any rule cares about that.
>
>
>
You are correct that I am presently not a player.  I'm mainly poking the
blinking rocker switches.

OscarMeyr

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DIS: Re: BUS: Registration CFJs were never my favourite tradition

[Benjamin Schultz]

On Thu, Oct 8, 2015 at 8:52 AM, Charles Walker 
wrote:

> I register, with nickname 'Bede'.
>
> I award myself a White Ribbon.
>
> - Bede
>

Welcome, Bede!  I dance the dance of welcome.

OscarMeyr

DIS: Re: BUS: A growing ruleset

[Benjamin Schultz]

On Tue, Aug 18, 2015 at 12:19 AM, Kerim Aydin ke...@u.washington.edu
wrote:




 Create the following Rule, The Olive Tree, Power=1:

Every existing Rule (every Child) has an existing Rule as a
Parent.  The lowest numbered existing Rule is the Root. The
default parent for all children is the Root.


I think this needs an EXCEPT clause.  Something like:

The lowest numbered existing Rule is the Root.  Every existing Rule except
the Root has an existing Rule as a Parent, and is a Child of its Parent.
The default parent for all children is the Root.

Otherwise the Root is its own Parent.  And as this is intended to be a tree
growing upwards, one cannot go Below the Root.

OscarMeyr, making an obscure reference.

Re: DIS: Where did Win by Paradox go?

[Benjamin Schultz]

On Sat, Aug 1, 2015 at 3:25 PM, Sean Hunt scsh...@csclub.uwaterloo.ca
wrote:


 On Aug 1, 2015 12:24, omd c.ome...@gmail.com wrote:
 
  On Sat, Aug 1, 2015 at 1:59 PM, Tanner Swett tannersw...@gmail.com
 wrote:
   Rule 2358, which defined Win by Paradox, was present in the ruleset
   published on 25 August 2013, but absent in the ruleset published on 17
   December 2013. I couldn't find any proposals which repealed the rule.
   So where did it go?
 
  Proposal 7609:
 http://iw.qoid.us/message/%3Calpine.LRH.2.01.1312131214090.30888%40hymn02.u.washington.edu%3E
 

 So what happens if a paradox is found, anyway?

 -scshunt

You would have to play Agora until its 21st birthday, not merely its 21st
year.

OscarMeyr

Re: DIS: Proto-proto: powerful offices

[Benjamin Schultz]

On Wed, May 13, 2015 at 2:00 PM, Sean Hunt scsh...@csclub.uwaterloo.ca
wrote:

 Okay, I've got a new idea... what if each of the offices had a significant
 power associated with them? Running off of G.'s use of discretion as CotC,
 what if, instead of elections, the Prime Minister appointed people to
 offices, under certain parameters? Try to make each of the offices
 sufficiently powerful that people actively want them, because of the power.

 And make no initial balancing efforts.

 Sean


In all the years I've been an Agoran, I don't recall offices ever being
appointed.  I think, Sean, you came up with a new idea.  Congratulations!

I support this idea.

OscarMeyr

DIS: Re: OFF: [IADoP] PM election

[Benjamin Schultz]

On Wed, May 6, 2015 at 8:58 PM, Luis Ressel ara...@aixah.de wrote:


 Please join me in a round of applause for our new Prime Minister who
 successfully voted himself into office!


I for one welcome our new ais253 overlord.
-- 
OscarMeyr

Re: DIS: Proto-proto: Erratic power

[Benjamin Schultz]

On Sun, Apr 26, 2015 at 1:01 PM, Kerim Aydin ke...@u.washington.edu wrote:



 On Sun, 26 Apr 2015, Sean Hunt wrote:
  I've got an idea which is actually why I rejoined the game:
  What if erratic rules could override regular rules on
  certain aspects of the game, as long as they were carefully
  sealed so as not to be able to affect regular rules? The
  idea would be to create erratic instruments with erratic power,
  and these things would override regular rules on some things.
  Thoughts?

 Oh, that's excellent.

 One of my long-time we'll get to this someday ideas has been
 to separate rules into Domains.  Within Domain, precedence
 works as usual.  But power-1 in-domain rules trump power-3 out-
 of-domain rules for anything initially defined within a
 domain.

 My idea was serious in that I was thinking of legislative,
 versus judicial versus executive (officer) Domains and economic
 structure yadda yadda (which is where I always get bogged down),
 but you're right... erratic rules might be a really really cool
 place to try something like this.

 -G.



 That can get fun, G.  Put some errors into how to resolve Domain
precedences, and all sorts of interesting scams can occur.  The easy one is
to make certain Domains non-transitive -- Legislative Domain takes
precedence over Executive Domain takes precedence over Judicial Domain
which takes precedence over Legislative!

This might actually work better if non-Domain rules take precedence over
Domain rules of lower power, just to keep the fundamental rules intact,
especially R101.


-- 
OscarMeyr, Scamster

Re: DIS: Proto-proto: Erratic power

[Benjamin Schultz]

I should note for the general public that anything that stimulates more
activity in Agora is a Good Thing.  Even if it's a friendly scam.

OscarMeyr

DIS: Re: BUS: Protest

[Benjamin Schultz]

On Mon, Apr 6, 2015 at 4:03 PM, Nicholas Evans nich...@gmail.com wrote:



 On 04/06/2015 02:43 PM, Sean Hunt wrote:

 In protest of not being deregistered due to broken rules, I deregister.

 -scshunt

 In protest of scshunt's protest but also in protest of broken
 deregistration, I deregister.

 -nichdel


Such a pity that neither of these deregistrations were by Writ of FAGE.

-- 
OscarMeyr

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: registration stadjer

[Benjamin Schultz]

On Thu, Mar 26, 2015 at 6:12 AM, stad jer stadjerno...@gmail.com wrote:

 I'm willing to perform administrative duties after a revival, but I don't
 know how much game-experience one needs for that.
 How did Agora survive dead points like this in the past?


stadjer, I suggest you do these:

1. Read the most recently published Short Logical Ruleset (SLR), if you
haven't already.
2. Propose all sorts of rule changes.

That will give you plenty of game experience.

OscarMeyr

DIS: Re: BUS: registration stadjer

[Benjamin Schultz]

On Mon, Mar 23, 2015 at 7:35 PM, stad jer stadjerno...@gmail.com wrote:

 I'd like to join Agora. (i.e. I want to become Registered.)

 stadjer


I dance the dance of welcome.

-- 
OscarMeyr

Re: DIS: flood control ping #3

[Benjamin Schultz]

On Tue, Feb 10, 2015 at 11:51 AM, Kerim Aydin ke...@u.washington.edu
wrote:



 I object.


 I is a subject, not an object, in that sentence.  No A for you.

-- 
OscarMeyr

DIS: Re: OFF: [Deputy Dungeon Master] Night Falls

[Benjamin Schultz]

On Mon, Jan 26, 2015 at 3:09 PM, Kerim Aydin ke...@u.washington.edu wrote:



 I deputize for the Dungeon Master to publish the following
 Report for the Province of Agora:

   Night has fallen.  It is dark.


It is dark in here.  You may be eaten by a grue.
-- 
OscarMeyr

DIS: Re: BUS: Just to be safe

[Benjamin Schultz]

On Tue, Nov 11, 2014 at 3:22 PM, Sean Hunt scsh...@csclub.uwaterloo.ca
wrote:

 I CFJ {Wooble is a player.}

 We haven't had one lately.

 -scshunt


[nitpick]
Haven't had one what -- one Wooble, or one player?
[/nitpick]

-- 
OscarMeyr

Re: DIS: Kniffordly happenings

[Benjamin Schultz]

Oscarosaurus, being of the Dinotopia model, is fluent in the language we're
all using [English OOG, who knows what in-game] - except that as a herd
animal, Oscarosaurus has trouble with singular pronouns.  Please read
Oscarosaurus's posts as if they were being said by a 100kg parrot talking
in the baritone range.

A no-longer-abandoned monastery habited by unusual monks sounds like a job
for an Adventurer Party.  Oscarosaurus isn't too worried about threats to
tear off heads, due to having a substantial neck frill and somewhat thick
hide.  However Oscarosaurus is no adventurer.

Oscarosaurus asks the woman which road leads to Oscar's Mire and what might
be on that road.  Then he scratches his back against a tree and looks for a
good place to sleep -- good natural defenses from large predators, fresh
water, lots of open space for singing.  Because one ought to sing every day.


OscarMeyr

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Province?

[Benjamin Schultz]

Oscarosaurus grazes in the farmland near the inn.  E tries to determine if
the strange music has a good STOMP beat.  (It's hard to enjoy music any
other way when you lack opposable thumbs or nimble ankles.)

[I'm kind of planning to make my character something out of Dinotopia (
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dinotopia) - familiar with modern {for this
setting} technology, just generally unable to use any directly.  See the
aforementioned lack of thumbs.]
-- 
OscarMeyr

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: Silver Quill

[Benjamin Schultz]

On Mon, Oct 27, 2014 at 11:25 PM, omd c.ome...@gmail.com wrote:

 On Mon, Oct 27, 2014 at 10:51 PM, Benjamin Schultz
 ben.dov.schu...@gmail.com wrote:
  The Marker Dates are SEMI annual -- every half year.  BI annual means
 every
  two years.  I hate hate HAET it when people use bi- to mean semi-.
 Please
  amend your Proposal before I run you over with a bitruck.

 I did look it up beforehand.

 https://www.google.com/search?q=define%20biannual
 http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/biannual
 http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/biannual


THEY'RE WRONG, WRONG, WRONG!

-- 
Ben Schultz

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Registrar] Census

[Benjamin Schultz]

On Tue, Oct 28, 2014 at 11:49 AM, Tanner Swett tannersw...@gmail.com
wrote:

 On Oct 28, 2014, at 11:38 AM, Kerim Aydin wrote:
 
  I think it would be fun if the number of players self-ratified, then you
  have to read down the list and see who doesn't make the cut.  -G.

 I change my nickname to Aaa.

 —the Warrigal



Why not change your name to something beginning with ! instead?
-- 
OscarMeyr, whose real name begins with a control character.

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: Re: BUS: Province?

[Benjamin Schultz]

Once the H. Dungeon Master resolves these actions, we may have some
interesting adventures in the Province.

Oscarsaurus intends to run an expedition from Townsville to Manubourne by
way of Oscar's Mire, Sherlock Ness, and Taracoola.  This expedition is
intended to rely on the Map of Agora from R2105/6.  (Accuracy of the Map is
not guaranteed, as no expedition has yet returned.)

OscarMeyr

Re: DIS: Protos: bring back contracts!

[Benjamin Schultz]

On Mon, Oct 27, 2014 at 11:24 AM, Kerim Aydin ke...@u.washington.edu
wrote:


 On thing that was particularly getting old was the contracts = persons
 angle of that version.  I wouldn't vote for bringing that part back.


Define the term properly:
A contract is an agreement between two or more persons.

I had a thought some years back when there was a rash of transferring
assets to all sorts of entities -- France, Hillary Clinton, a specific
rule, or the asset itself.  My idea was that property can be owned, a
person (or some other entity/ies within Agora) can own, and anything
outside the scope of the game doesn't count.

Then my idea was taken over by a Group and never seen again.
-- 
OscarMeyr

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: Re: BUS: Province?

[Benjamin Schultz]

On Mon, Oct 27, 2014 at 11:28 AM, Alex Smith ais...@bham.ac.uk wrote:

 On Mon, 2014-10-27 at 11:21 -0400, Benjamin Schultz wrote:
  Once the H. Dungeon Master resolves these actions, we may have some
  interesting adventures in the Province.

 I don't want to resolve the actions for fear of escalating ambiguity.
 I'd resign the office so as not to be in the way, but then that would
 open up ambiguity a different way, because people might attempt scams
 with it.

 Any opinions about what we should do? One possibility is for me to run
 the Province in a-d until the current mess is sorted out.


What is the ambiguousness and current mess, ais?  Maybe this non-Player can
help.
-- 
OscarMeyr

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [IADoP] Elections!!!11

[Benjamin Schultz]

TPF is over there.  TPTTPF.
===

-- 
OscarMeyr

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: Re: BUS: Province?

[Benjamin Schultz]

On Mon, Oct 27, 2014 at 11:41 AM, Alex Smith ais...@bham.ac.uk wrote:

 On Mon, 2014-10-27 at 11:33 -0400, Benjamin Schultz wrote:
  What is the ambiguousness and current mess, ais?  Maybe this
  non-Player can help.

 Basically, the proposal that enacted the Province had multiple bugs, to
 the extent of multiple attempted dictatorship scams. One bug, that's
 irrelevant to the dictatorship scams but rather relevant to the attempts
 to use the Province for its intended purpose, is that half the proposal
 wasn't enacted due to ambiguity, so that all attempts to do anything in
 the Province by anyone other than the DM fail. You could preserve the
 spirit of the Province via using DM fiat to substitute for everyone
 else's attempted actions; however, DM fiat is very much relevant to the
 dictatorship scams, and in particular, both of them attempted to repeal
 the DM fiat rule to close the loophole behind them.

 Thus, there were two intended ways to change the Province. Actions by
 players are (uncontroversially?) broken. Actions by the DM, which could
 substitute, are controversially broken, in that at least two scam
 attempts claim to have repealed the rule in question, but there is at
 least a reasonable viewpoint (e.g. Eritivus') that they both failed. If
 both scam attempts did fail, there is still a nonzero chance that the
 rule exists and is exploitable, in which case I want to hold onto the
 office to prevent anyone else exploiting it (and to exploit the
 remaining loopholes myself).


Is the current breakage due to competing candidate gamestates for R2437?
If so, would unambiguously changing that Rule resolve the situation enough?

-- 
OscarMeyr

DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: Silver Quill

[Benjamin Schultz]

The Marker Dates are SEMI annual -- every half year.  BI annual means every
two years.  I hate hate HAET it when people use bi- to mean semi-.  Please
amend your Proposal before I run you over with a bitruck.

OscarMeyr

Re: DIS: Two Days to Bet... place bets please!

[Benjamin Schultz]

What the hey.  I don't see Florins or wagering restricted to current
Players in the SLR dated 6 Oct 2014.

I wager 10 Florins on 25-30, and another 10 on 0-24.

OscarMeyr

DIS: Re: OFF: Re: BUS: Province?

[Benjamin Schultz]

On Fri, Oct 24, 2014 at 9:43 AM, Alex Smith ais...@bham.ac.uk wrote:

 On Fri, 2014-10-24 at 09:36 -0400, Tanner Swett wrote:
  I create a Province character called Redgroat. Redgroat looks around.

 The Rulekeepor ruled that you couldn't do that because the proposal that
 would have created that rule was ambiguous.

 Still, at least it gives me something to report on.

 The following is the status of the Province of Agora, including any
 recent changes to it:
 {{{
 There are, most likely no entities in the Province of Agora. Warrigal
 has attempted to send a character named Redgroat into the Province, but
 there is serious doubt as to whether e actually arrived.
 }}}

 --
 ais523



If the character Redgroat successfully arrived in the Province, I create a
Province character named Oscarosaurus, which is a Titanoceratops.

(Source of character name:
http://www.bristolzoo.org.uk/dinozoo/my-dino-name)
-- 
OscarMeyr

Re: DIS: Two Days to Bet... place bets please!

[Benjamin Schultz]

On Fri, Oct 24, 2014 at 12:34 PM, Eritivus eriti...@gmail.com wrote:

 On Fri, 2014-10-24 at 16:22 +, Benjamin Schultz wrote:
  I wager 10 Florins on 25-30, and another 10 on 0-24.

 Note: unbet Florins are lost each week.


That being the case, I change my bets to 50 Florins each.

-- 
OscarMeyr

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Province?

[Benjamin Schultz]

On Fri, Oct 24, 2014 at 2:02 PM, Jonatan Kilhamn jonatan.kilh...@gmail.com
wrote:

 On 24 October 2014 19:36, Kerim Aydin ke...@u.washington.edu wrote:



 On Fri, 24 Oct 2014, Tanner Swett wrote:
  I create a Province character called Redgroat. Redgroat looks around.

 La la la.  I am a Bard.  La la la, you don't know my name,
 you can just call me the Bard.  Or that $##$%#$ Bard.  La la la.

 La la la.  I am a Bard.  I'm the kind of Bard that over-roleplays
 until you just want to punch me in the face (both the character
 and the player).  La la la.  I am a Bard.

 La la la.  I assume I'm standing somewhere that Redgroat can see
 me, but I might be wrong.  Hopefully, e can *hear* me, because
 that's what matters to me.  After all, La la la, I am a Bard.


 I punch the Bard in the face.



No Bard may be dis-Bard for eir bad puns.  (Is that still in the RS?)

OscarMeyr

Re: DIS: What is it? Dragons?

[Benjamin Schultz]

Maybe the Province of Agora would work well as a Contest.  Make
achievements worth points, and put all the informal regulations into the
contest rules.

-- 
OscarMeyr

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Deputy Herald] The Scroll of Agora

[Benjamin Schultz]

On Tue, Sep 2, 2014 at 12:56 PM, Kerim Aydin ke...@u.washington.edu wrote:



 On Sun, 31 Aug 2014, woggle wrote:
  FUGITIVES OF THE OLD LAW
   (A Fugitive is someone who last left Agora before
 completing eir
penal sentence - unofficial designation covers a range of
 penal
codes over time).
 Elde, Time Agent, Antimatter, Proglet, Macross, root,
 Vlad,
 Morendil, Beefurabi, elJefe, Ziggy, Evantine, pTang,
 Blaise,
 Syllepsis, neil, Blob, Magu, Peekee, Cainech, t,
 Pakaran,
 0x44, Elysion, Quazie

 COE:  I left Agora a few weeks ago without completing my penal sentence.
 -G.


I sentence the Fugitive G. to time in WP:STOCKS.

-- 
OscarMeyr

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: a bold assertion

[Benjamin Schultz]

On Thu, Jul 24, 2014 at 11:21 AM, Henri Bouchard henrib...@gmail.com
wrote:


 What is the goal?


There isn't one -- nobody's played a Goal Card yet.  /fluxx
:)
-- 
OscarMeyr

DIS: Re: BUS: Salir y entrar

[Benjamin Schultz]

On Mon, Aug 4, 2014 at 9:24 PM, Tanner Swett tannersw...@gmail.com wrote:

 I register.

 —the Warrigal


Warrigal, you're back!  Hi!

-- 
OscarMeyr

DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: A More Appropriate Punishment

[Benjamin Schultz]

On Tue, Jun 24, 2014 at 9:03 PM, Henri Bouchard henrib...@gmail.com wrote:

 [Henri] submit the following proposal:

 --
 Proposal: A More Appropriate Punishment


It seems to me now would be a good time to bring back the Fugitive status,
for someone who deregisters while under the influence of a Red Card.
-- 
OscarMeyr

DIS: Re: BUS: Judicial Case: Midnight Ambiguity

[Benjamin Schultz]

On Thu, Jun 19, 2014 at 5:48 PM, Jonathan Rouillard 
jonathan.rouill...@gmail.com wrote:

 On Thu, Jun 19, 2014 at 5:06 PM, Henri Bouchard henrib...@gmail.com
 wrote:
  I submit the Judicial Case:
 
  --
 
 
 S T A T E M E N T
 -
 
Midnight Monday is defined as 24:00.
 
 
--

 Gratuitous arguments: Nobody I know uses it like that. If someone
 tells me at midnight tomorrow, I understand tonight. If e actually
 meant tomorrow night at midnight, e should have clarified. Not that
 I do much at midnight most days, but eh.



Gratuitous argument:  I know too many people who use it like that.  And
they are wrong, wrong, WRONG.

OscarMeyr

Re: DIS: To G.

[Benjamin Schultz]

On Fri, Jun 6, 2014 at 2:09 PM, Jonathan Rouillard 
jonathan.rouill...@gmail.com wrote:

 On Fri, Jun 6, 2014 at 2:06 PM, Sean Hunt scsh...@csclub.uwaterloo.ca
 wrote:
  Can you hear me now?

 I can hear you, but I have no idea who you are since you didn't sign.
 Who am I talking to?


.
|-. ,-. ,-. ,-. ,' ,-.   . . ,-. . . ,-.   ,-. . ,-. ,-.
| | |-' |   |-'`-.   | | | | | | | `-. | | | | |
' ' `-' '   `-'`-'   `-| `-' `-' ' `-' ' `-| ' '
  /|  ,|
 `-'  `'

DIS: Re: BUS: Mass Deregistration

[Benjamin Schultz]

On Tue, May 6, 2014 at 4:40 PM, Henri Bouchard henrib...@gmail.com wrote:

 I intend, without objection, to deregister the following players:

aperfectring
Bayushi
Cole Jackson
Ludwig
nichdel
Philomory
Schrodinger's Cat
Shredder
Telnaior
Thimblefox
William Eisenburg

 -Henri



I may or may not object to deregistering Schrodinger's Cat.  There's no way
to be certain.
-- 
OscarMeyr

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: I register

[Benjamin Schultz]

On Sun, Apr 27, 2014 at 3:28 AM, x1122334455 x1122334...@writing.comwrote:



 On 4/25/14 at 2:19pm, Kerim Aydin  wrote:

 
 
 
  On Fri, 25 Apr 2014, x1122334455 wrote:
   So you guys are going to try to confuse me? I have no
   problem with this because I would probably do the same thing myself.
 
  I was trying to be clear! :) By the way, you need to go find a
 left-handed
  mail client to play.
 
   LiberonScien
 
  Aside: Do you prefer x1122334455 as your nickname in reports, or
 LiberonScien?
  (or something else entirely).
 
 
 
 
 
 
 Left handed mail client?

 I prefer LiberonScien but either one works.


Welcome, LiberonScien!  Don't worry too much about G.'s insistence on a
left-handed mail client.  E's just being left-endian in an up-endian world.

As for your earlier question about breaking the game -- if you figure out a
way to break the game, give it a try!

Also, I greatly appreciate anybody who still follows the bottom-reply email
convention.  I would lve to configure gmail to do this.

-- 
OscarMeyr
Trying to Watch, but can't see over the piles of diapers

DIS: Re: BUS: The time has come.

[Benjamin Schultz]

On Sun, Mar 23, 2014 at 1:26 PM, Kerim Aydin ke...@u.washington.edu wrote:



 On Fri, 14 Mar 2014, Fool wrote:
  I intend, with Agoran consent, to replace the text of the Operations
 Manual
  with the lyrics to _Beds are Burning_ by Midnight Oil.
 
  (BTW failure to act in accordance with the operations manual is
 considered a
  breach of R2419.)

 Support.  -G.


I suppose.  (A half-breed of Support and Oppose, or, I'm just here for the
WorldCon bid parties.)

-- 
OscarMeyr

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Are the lists down?

[Benjamin Schultz]

On Mon, Mar 10, 2014 at 7:07 AM, Fool fool1...@gmail.com wrote:

 On 2014-03-10 3:30 AM, Alex Smith wrote:

 I haven't received any Agoran mail for over a week, and there should at
 least have been officer reports by now.

 Are the lists down, or has everyone fallen silent?


 Ninja nomic. Shhh.


The first rule of Fight Club Nomic is that you do not discuss Fight Club
Nomic.


-- 
OscarMeyr

DIS: Re: BUS: Who's a good girl, then?

[Benjamin Schultz]

On Fri, Feb 14, 2014 at 6:59 PM, Kerim Aydin ke...@u.washington.edu wrote:



 I transfer an 'i' to Lilly.

 (This is actually non-controversial; operator ownership isn't limited to
 players or persons).


As a non-player person, I'm sure there's a way I can pillage this operator
from Lilly.  Where are the discussions of ships and pillaging?  I didn't
find any by searching the SLR.
-- 
OscarMeyr

DIS: Is this working?

[Benjamin Schultz]

I haven't received emails from several listservs in a month, including
Agora.  I would hate it if GMail is preventing me from playing.

OscarMeyr

Re: DIS: Mailing lists act strange

[Benjamin Schultz]

I'll see what I can do to verify that A-B is working properly.

OscarMeyr

DIS: Re: BUS: Registration

[Benjamin Schultz]

On Fri, Oct 18, 2013 at 6:05 AM, Joshua j...@iinet.net.au wrote:

  I am Telnaior, I have just finished reading the Full Legal Ruleset, I am
 *reasonably* certain that I am a first-class person, and therefore by
 Rule 869 I am posting my intent to become a player.



Welcome, Telnaior.  I dance the dance of Friday morning for you.

Oh.  Your email says you're in Australia.  I dance the dance of Friday
afternoon instead.
-- 
OscarMeyr

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Emptiness

[Benjamin Schultz]

On Wed, Sep 25, 2013 at 3:12 PM, omd c.ome...@gmail.com wrote:

 On Wed, Sep 25, 2013 at 2:36 PM, Benjamin Schultz
 ben.dov.schu...@gmail.com wrote:
  Part of the exercise is -- when was the last time Agora reenacted a Rule?

 Might be Messy Statements.  But note that

   The ID number of the new rule cannot
   be specified by the enacting instrument; any attempt to so
   specify is null and void.


Interesting.  I'll work up an amendment to R591, just to enable
reenactment.  For a nomic should tolerate reenacting a repealed rule.

-- 
OscarMeyr

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Emptiness

[Benjamin Schultz]

On Thu, Sep 26, 2013 at 11:33 AM, Benjamin Schultz 
ben.dov.schu...@gmail.com wrote:

 On Wed, Sep 25, 2013 at 3:12 PM, omd c.ome...@gmail.com wrote:

 On Wed, Sep 25, 2013 at 2:36 PM, Benjamin Schultz
 ben.dov.schu...@gmail.com wrote:
  Part of the exercise is -- when was the last time Agora reenacted a
 Rule?

 Might be Messy Statements.  But note that

   The ID number of the new rule cannot
   be specified by the enacting instrument; any attempt to so
   specify is null and void.


 Interesting.  I'll work up an amendment to R591, just to enable
 reenactment.  For a nomic should tolerate reenacting a repealed rule.

 --
 OscarMeyr


Oops.  s/R591/R105

I was looking at the wrong search.

-- 
OscarMeyr

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Emptiness

[Benjamin Schultz]

On Thu, Sep 26, 2013 at 11:35 AM, Benjamin Schultz 
ben.dov.schu...@gmail.com wrote:

 On Thu, Sep 26, 2013 at 11:33 AM, Benjamin Schultz 
 ben.dov.schu...@gmail.com wrote:

 On Wed, Sep 25, 2013 at 3:12 PM, omd c.ome...@gmail.com wrote:

 On Wed, Sep 25, 2013 at 2:36 PM, Benjamin Schultz
 ben.dov.schu...@gmail.com wrote:
  Part of the exercise is -- when was the last time Agora reenacted a
 Rule?

 Might be Messy Statements.  But note that

   The ID number of the new rule cannot
   be specified by the enacting instrument; any attempt to so
   specify is null and void.


 Interesting.  I'll work up an amendment to R591, just to enable
 reenactment.  For a nomic should tolerate reenacting a repealed rule.

 --
 OscarMeyr


 Oops.  s/R591/R105

 I was looking at the wrong search.

 --
 OscarMeyr


Proto-proposal

Reenacting Rules: Power 3

Amend R105 by inserting the following after the paragraph labelled (b):

  (c) reenact a rule.  A repealed rule identified by its most recent
  rule number may be reenacted with the same ID number and the
  next change identifier.  If no text is specified, the rule is
  reenacted with the same text it had when it was most recently
  repealed.  If the reenacting proposal provides new text for
  the rule, the rule must have materially the same purpose as
  did the repealed version; otherwise, the attempt to reenact
  the rule is null and void.
[Reenact the rule, THEN change its purpose -- don't do both at once.]


and renumbering the existing labels (c) through (e) accordingly.

-- 
OscarMeyr

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Emptiness

[Benjamin Schultz]

On Wed, Sep 25, 2013 at 1:35 PM, Kerim Aydin ke...@u.washington.edu wrote:




 On Wed, 25 Sep 2013, Benjamin Schultz wrote:
  TITLE:  THE INSANE REPEALS, PART A
  REENACT RULE 1729 WITH ITS MOST RECENT TEXT.  INCREASE ITS MODIFICATION
 NUMBER.
 
  
 
  TITLE:  THE INSANE REPEALS, PART B
  IF THE INSANE REPEALS, PART A PASSED, THEN:
  * REPEAL ALL POWER=1, EVEN-NUMBERED RULES.
  * OSCARMEYR WINS UNDER RULE 1729

 Note that you can make these secret votes by moving them to the
 Star Chamber (R2409).  -G.



Thanks, I'll check that Rule out.

Part of the exercise is -- when was the last time Agora reenacted a Rule?

-- 
OscarMeyr

DIS: Re: BUS: might as well get these out...

[Benjamin Schultz]

One item on Back to Basic wins.  I suggest the proposal insist that the
new rule receive the rule number most recently used for Scores.

Because, well, I was thinking about reenacting Points.

-- 
OscarMeyr

Re: DIS: Proto: Chess

[Benjamin Schultz]

On Sat, Sep 14, 2013 at 12:36 PM, James Beirne james.m.bei...@gmail.com
 wrote:

 The Agoran bit:

 {{
 The Grandmastor is an office responsible for playing the Agoran-nommit
 Chess Game on Agora's behalf. When Agora's turn begins, the Grandmastor
 SHALL take up to 7 days to consider Agora's move; e SHALL then submit
 Agora's move to the nommitian Outlander-Speaker.


=

When Agora's turn begins, the Grandmastor SHALL submit Agora's move to the
nommitian Outlander-Speaker within 7 days.


Also, we can probably do both bits in one Rule.
-- 
OscarMeyr

DIS: Re: BUS: Becoming a player

[Benjamin Schultz]

On Sun, Sep 15, 2013 at 11:07 PM, Schrodinger's Cat
ag...@lesidhetree.comwrote:

 My name is Schrodinger's Cat, and I request to be registered as a player.


I may or may not (re)welcome you to Agora.

-- 
OscarMeyr

Re: DIS: AAA re-redux

[Benjamin Schultz]

On Thu, Sep 12, 2013 at 4:42 PM, Ed Murphy emurph...@socal.rr.com wrote:

 G. wrote:

  Proto-proto:  To the Land Again


 What happens if we roll a 7?



All wagers are resolved.  Wrong bettors get paid; right bettors lose.
-- 
OscarMeyr

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Distribution of Proposals 7590-7599

[Benjamin Schultz]

On Wed, Sep 11, 2013 at 5:42 PM, Flameshadowxeroshin 
flameshadowxeros...@gmail.com wrote:

 If I am not registered, I register. If I am not active, I become
 active. I vote ENDORSE aperfectring if possible, otherwise I take no
 additional action.


If you registered in that message, I welcome you to Agora.  Else if you are
not presently registered, I invite you to register.

OscarMeyr

DIS: Re: BUS: Intent

[Benjamin Schultz]

On Sun, Aug 25, 2013 at 11:45 AM, Charles Walker charles.w.wal...@gmail.com
 wrote:

 I announce that it is my intent, assuming the absence of a trio (or
 greater) of objectors within the defined time period, to cause the
 Mutability Index to have a value of 10.


I will object for something greater than LOLZ.
(NttPF as I am not presently objecting.)
-- 
OscarMeyr

Re: DIS: nommit challenges you to a game of chess!

[Benjamin Schultz]

I think it would be properly Agoran to have our move adopted by proposal.
 Though we would need some mechanism to resolve simultaneous proposals.

--
OscarMeyr

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [CotC] CFJ 3365 assigned to OscarMeyr

[Benjamin Schultz]

On Mon, Aug 12, 2013 at 5:01 PM, Charles Walker
charles.w.wal...@gmail.comwrote:

 On 12 August 2013 21:44, Benjamin Schultz ben.dov.schu...@gmail.com
 wrote:
  On Sun, Aug 11, 2013 at 8:07 PM, Jonathan Rouillard
  jonathan.rouill...@gmail.com wrote:
 
  Detail: http://cotc.psychose.ca/viewcase.php?cfj=3365
 
  =  Criminal Case 3365  =
 
  scshunt has violated Rule 2143 (Official Reports and Duties) by
  failing to publish the holder of each office, etc. last week.
 
  
 
 
 
  DRAFT
 
  Based on the arguments from the Appeal Panel, I find it sufficient to
 reduce
  the penalty to a loss of salary.  Accordingly, I rule GUILTY / FINE 350
  Yaks, that being the present amount of the IADoP's salary.

 Salaries are paid monthly, so you might want to look at something
 closer to a quarter of that, depending on how many reports the
 defendant missed.



Yes.  I know they're paid monthly.  :)
-- 
OscarMeyr

Re: DIS: agoran language

[Benjamin Schultz]

I thought Blob was the first Agoran to insist on being addressed with
Spivak pronouns.

-- 
OscarMeyr

DIS: Re: OFF: [CotC] CFJ 3365 assigned to OscarMeyr

[Benjamin Schultz]

On Sun, Aug 11, 2013 at 8:07 PM, Jonathan Rouillard 
jonathan.rouill...@gmail.com wrote:

 Detail: http://cotc.psychose.ca/viewcase.php?cfj=3365

 =  Criminal Case 3365  =

 scshunt has violated Rule 2143 (Official Reports and Duties) by
 failing to publish the holder of each office, etc. last week.

 



DRAFT

Based on the arguments from the Appeal Panel, I find it sufficient to
reduce the penalty to a loss of salary.  Accordingly, I rule GUILTY / FINE
350 Yaks, that being the present amount of the IADoP's salary.

-- 
OscarMeyr

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Corrected Distribution of Proposals 7548-7586

[Benjamin Schultz]

On Wed, Aug 7, 2013 at 9:27 AM, Charles Walker
charles.w.wal...@gmail.comwrote:

 On 7 August 2013 14:21, Benjamin Schultz ben.dov.schu...@gmail.com
 wrote:
  On Props. 7548-7586, I vote ENDORSE Murphy.

 It seems unlikely that Murphy will vote.


Did e go inactive or AFK?

Would you like to convince me to endorse someone else?
-- 
OscarMeyr

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Corrected Distribution of Proposals 7548-7586

[Benjamin Schultz]

On Wed, Aug 7, 2013 at 10:28 AM, Charles Walker
charles.w.wal...@gmail.comwrote:

 On 7 August 2013 15:13, Benjamin Schultz ben.dov.schu...@gmail.com
 wrote:
  On Wed, Aug 7, 2013 at 9:27 AM, Charles Walker 
 charles.w.wal...@gmail.com
  wrote:
 
  On 7 August 2013 14:21, Benjamin Schultz ben.dov.schu...@gmail.com
  wrote:
   On Props. 7548-7586, I vote ENDORSE Murphy.
 
  It seems unlikely that Murphy will vote.
 
  Did e go inactive or AFK?
 
  Would you like to convince me to endorse someone else?

 E's not Rules-inactive, but e hasn't played much recently, and I don't
 think e's been voting. Your votes will evaluate to PRESENT if Murphy
 doesn't vote so it doesn't matter quorum-wise.

 As for someone else, well, the player I appear to agree with the most
 on the current distribution is me :)



Feel free to convince me to change my vote, then. :)
-- 
OscarMeyr

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Emergency Distribution of Proposal 7568

[Benjamin Schultz]

  7568 30 O omd, etc.   Agora pulls a B + some ratifications


FOR

-- 
OscarMeyr

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Stuff

[Benjamin Schultz]

On Wed, Jul 31, 2013 at 7:59 PM, Ørjan Johansen oer...@nvg.ntnu.no wrote:

 On Thu, 1 Aug 2013, Charles Walker wrote:

  Davy I may, however, struggle with the requirement to be generally
 capable of communicating via email.


 I dunno, I hear cats are quite proficient at using keyboards.

 Greetings,
 Ørjan.


I think you mean sleeping on keyboards.

-- 
OscarMeyr

DIS: Re: OFF: [CotC] CFJ 3372 assigned to OscarMeyr

[Benjamin Schultz]

On Wed, Jul 31, 2013 at 9:11 PM, Jonathan Rouillard 
jonathan.rouill...@gmail.com wrote:

 Disclaimer: This fails if I'm not the CotC at the moment.

 Detail: http://cotc.psychose.ca/viewcase.php?cfj=3372

 ==  CFJ 3372  ==

 Announcing in Agora-Business the creation of a promise that,
 upon being cashed, causes the player cashing said promise to
 break a rule, does not cause the creator of said promise to
 violate R2394, nor does it cause the creator of said promise to
 violate R2394 upon the cashing of said promise.

 

 Caller: lindar

 Judge:  OscarMeyr
 Judgement:

 

 History:

 Called by lindar:   09 Jul 2013 16:10:36 GMT
 Assigned to arkestra:   15 Jul 2013 17:40:48 GMT
 arkestra recused:   21 Jul 2013 15:16:57 GMT
 Assigned to Yally:  23 Jul 2013 17:27:54 GMT
 Yally recused:  24 Jul 2013 06:14:22 GMT
 Assigned to OscarMeyr:  (as of this message)

 

 Gratuitous Arguments by omd:

 It is the casher that would be the Executor, not the creator.

 



DRAFT:
TRUE, as per omd's argument.

Rule 2394/0 (Power=1)
Crime by Proxy

   Being the Executor of a message in which another person commits
   the Class-N Crime of X (for any values of N and X) is the
   Class-N Crime of X By Proxy
-- 
OscarMeyr
who is going for speed and brevity in CFJ decisions.

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [CotC] CFJ 3362 assigned to OscarMeyr

[Benjamin Schultz]

On Sat, Jul 27, 2013 at 10:10 PM, Tanner Swett swe...@mail.gvsu.edu wrote:

 On Jul 26, 2013, at 3:44 PM, Benjamin Schultz wrote:
  Ah.  My search-fu failed me.

 Probably because it was broken over multiple lines.

 Proto: The Rulekeepor SHALL publish the entire ruleset as one line.

 —Machiavelli


AGAINT.  That would disrupt the fountain.

-- 
OscarMeyr

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [CotC] CFJ 3362 assigned to OscarMeyr

[Benjamin Schultz]

On Thu, Jul 25, 2013 at 5:58 PM, Michael Slone har...@harvel.org wrote:

 On 2013-07-25, Benjamin Schultz wrote:
  Aside:  As best I can tell, by announcement is presently defined in
  R1728/32.  I don't see that rule saying the announcement must be ttPF,
 but
  I believe this requirement is derived from 18 years of game practice.

 This requirement is derived from Rule 478:

   A public message is a message sent via a public forum, or sent
   to all players and containing a clear designation of intent to
   be public.  A rule can also designate that a part of one public
   message is considered a public message in its own right. A
   person publishes or announces something by sending a public
   message.

   Where the rules define an action that CAN be performed by
   announcement, a person performs that action by unambiguously
   and clearly specifying the action and announcing that e performs
   it.  Any action performed by sending a message is performed at
   the time date-stamped on that message. Actions in messages
   (including sub-messages) are performed in the order they appear
   in the message, unless otherwise specified.

 --
 Michael Slone


Ah.  My search-fu failed me.

-- 
OscarMeyr

DIS: Re: BUS: Election!

[Benjamin Schultz]

On Mon, Jul 22, 2013 at 7:49 PM, Elliott Hird 
penguinoftheg...@googlemail.com wrote:

 I nominate myself, with a salary of Graham's number G Yaks.


Good luck on recording THAT in the reports.

-- 
OscarMeyr

DIS: Re: BUS: what everyone wants to know is...

[Benjamin Schultz]

I play stones on (-4, 4), (-4, 3), and (-4, 2).

-- 
OscarMeyr

Re: DIS: are agreements currently binding?

[Benjamin Schultz]

On Thu, Jul 11, 2013 at 2:14 PM, Tanner Swett swe...@mail.gvsu.edu wrote:

 There is no explicit prohibition in Agora against violating an agreement,
 and, in particular, there is no particular rule that doing so would
 violate. Therefore, as far as I can tell, agreements in Agora are not
 binding.

 —Machiavelli


I disagree.  Upholding agreements would be consistent with the Spirit of
the Game.  Enforcing them would be a matter for an equity CFJ.

-- 
OscarMeyr

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: If you insist...

[Benjamin Schultz]

On Wed, Jul 10, 2013 at 3:21 PM, Aaron Goldfein aarongoldf...@gmail.comwrote:



 On Wed, Jul 10, 2013 at 8:29 AM, Lindar Greenwood lindartheb...@gmail.com
  wrote:

 At the insistence of Roujo, I do now assume a posture of standing.
 Let it be known that I do so proudly, and with a ridiculous pose.


 This fails. You can't simply flip your posture to standing. You need to
 flip it to sitting, and then you will become standing when the CotC next
 rotates the bench.


Let's go easy on Lindar.  Draft proposal:

Amend R1871 by appending to the paragraph A player CAN flip eir posture to
any non-standing value by announcement. the following text:

A player who attempts to flip eir posture to standing will be treated as
attempting to flip eir posture to sitting.  If the CotC attempts to flip
eir own posture to standing (other than by rotating the bench), players may
point  laugh at the CotC, who really ought to know better.

-- 
OscarMeyr