DIS: Re: OFF: Another zombie auction

2019-05-09 Thread Gaelan Steele
I bid a coin as well. Gaelan > On May 9, 2019, at 6:54 AM, James Cook wrote: > > I initiate a zombie auction, with the following lots (each zombie a > separate lot) ordered as follows (highest-bid first): > > 1. V.J. Rada > 2. Telnaior > 3. L > 4. Baron von Vaderham > > Agora is the

DIS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Distribution of Proposals 8174A and 8175

2019-05-04 Thread Gaelan Steele
Votes inline Gaelan > On Apr 28, 2019, at 2:19 PM, Aris Merchant > wrote: > > I hereby distribute each listed proposal, initiating the Agoran > Decision of whether to adopt it, and removing it from the proposal > pool. For this decision, the vote collector is the Assessor, the > quorum is 3,

DIS: Re: BUS: Email Weirdness Etc

2019-04-29 Thread Gaelan Steele
I received it as well (Fastmail here). > On Apr 28, 2019, at 1:53 PM, Aris Merchant > wrote: > > I haven't gotten this email yet [1]. It shows up in the archive, but > not in my inbox. Is anyone else having this problem? > > Also, I don't believe the decision on who should be Prime Minister

Re: DIS: Office Apportionment

2019-04-29 Thread Gaelan Steele
I’d be willing to take up an office in a week or two (after AP tests), but I’m unfortunately too busy at the moment. > On Apr 27, 2019, at 7:38 PM, Aris Merchant > wrote: > > We need to decide who will take which offices. Currently we need a new > ADoP, Arbitor, Assessor, Astronomor, Clork,

DIS: Re: OFF: Re: [Herald] The Scroll of Agora

2019-04-22 Thread Gaelan Steele
I kinda feel like patent titles should be one of those things that shouldn’t be ratified—we should be able to recognize titles that were accidentally omitted at some point. I don’t feel quite strongly enough to object, but I Grumble Loudly. Gaelan > On Apr 22, 2019, at 9:30 AM, Kerim Aydin

Re: DIS: doing stuff?

2019-04-09 Thread Gaelan Steele
FWIW, my recollection from my SPOOKY scam is that noting cares about the end of an unction actually been announced. Gaelan > On Apr 8, 2019, at 5:26 PM, Kerim Aydin wrote: > > > On 4/8/2019 12:03 PM, James Cook wrote: >> I've just been busy, personally. > > Ya I totally meant to add the

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Treasuror] Forbes 500

2019-03-05 Thread Gaelan Steele
Seems like the solution here is to define (in a rule) “by announcement, stating…” as requiring the “stating” bit to be part of the public message. Gaelan > On Mar 5, 2019, at 12:48 PM, Kerim Aydin wrote: > > CFJ, barring twg: G. has earned 5 coins for the Herald's Report of > 17-Feb-2019. >

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Proposal] Ruleset Ratification

2019-03-03 Thread Gaelan Steele
Looks like I put it as the second rule when I did my big reorganization after becoming Rulekeepor. It wasn’t a drastic change, though—G has it as the sixth. Gaelan > On Mar 2, 2019, at 9:29 PM, ais...@alumni.bham.ac.uk wrote: > > On another note, whose idea was it to put rule 1698 as the

DIS: Re: OFF: [Registrar] Zombie Auction

2019-03-01 Thread Gaelan Steele
I bid a coin. Gaelan > On Mar 1, 2019, at 12:06 PM, D. Margaux wrote: > > I initiate a zombie auction, with the following lots (each zombie a separate > lot) ordered as follows (highest-bid first): > > 1. Tarhalindur > > Agora is the Auctioneer, and the Registrar is the Announcer. The >

DIS: Re: OFF: Contest wrap-up

2019-02-27 Thread Gaelan Steele
> On Feb 27, 2019, at 4:24 PM, Kerim Aydin wrote: > > Thanks, all! This was fun. > > Purses: > I transfer 25 coins to Galean. > I transfer 15 coins to Telnaior (bonus award for close 2nd place). > > I announce my intent to award Gaelan the unique patent title "Too > Intense" with 2 Agoran

Re: DIS: Re: [Herald] vote for the best Ruleset find

2019-02-25 Thread Gaelan Steele
Well, if you insist. {Gaelan, CB, Telainor, twg} Gaelan > On Feb 25, 2019, at 10:02 PM, Kerim Aydin wrote: > > > Well done agora - if I count this, not only is 1st & 2nd place now a tie, > but the 3rd/4th race would also be a tie. Way to make decisions, people :PP > > On 2/25/2019 3:05 PM,

Re: DIS: Non-email public fora

2019-02-25 Thread Gaelan Steele
Speaking of which, I own the agronomic Google Group if we ever want to set that up as a backup. Gaelan > On Feb 25, 2019, at 8:59 PM, Reuben Staley wrote: > > One key trait of Nomic that comes from its main spin as a game built around > rule changes is adaptability. I am of the opinion that,

DIS: Re: BUS: let's proceed to the second line-item

2019-02-24 Thread Gaelan Steele
I’m all for more meta-shenanigans—it’s a game about changing the rules, and it’s only right to change the rules about changing the rules. However, I am with ais523 that we should have a power restriction. Also, if this is a real proposal, you might want to just avoid the power debate. IMO, put

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Not so fast!

2019-02-24 Thread Gaelan Steele
I mean, in practice that just means that voting against a proposal would be something you do very not-lightly. We’d end up with a lot of negotiation and politicking. In practice, splits would be fairly rare. Gaelan > On Feb 24, 2019, at 3:20 PM, Reuben Staley wrote: > > This reminds me of a

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Not so fast!

2019-02-24 Thread Gaelan Steele
Some thought experiments: { Power 3: Players can Declare Quanging by announcement, unless another rule contains the text “Players can’t Declare Quanging.” Power 1: Players can’t Declare Quanging. } { Power 3: Players can Declare Quanging by announcement, unless another rule describes a

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Not so fast!

2019-02-21 Thread Gaelan Steele
ote: > > Wouldn't it just be ossified because arbitrary rule changes cannot be made? > The "and/or" does function as an or! > > On 2019-02-21 19:37, Gaelan Steele wrote: >> I create the AI-1 proposal “Minor bug fix” with the following text: >> >&g

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Not so fast!

2019-02-18 Thread Gaelan Steele
It’s a pretty intents situation. Sorry. Gaelan > On Feb 18, 2019, at 5:18 PM, D. Margaux wrote: > > This is such a mess lol. smime.p7s Description: S/MIME cryptographic signature

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Intent (+SPOOKY)

2019-02-18 Thread Gaelan Steele
I slightly mind, but I probably would have done the same thing so meh. Also, come to think of it, I also abused that contract to your detriment, so maybe this is just karma. Gaelan > On Feb 18, 2019, at 3:36 PM, D. Margaux wrote: > > Good point! Based on his recent hashes, he probably is.

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Referee] The Police Blotter

2019-02-18 Thread Gaelan Steele
AFAIK that you have no reason not to deny the CoE right now. Gaelan > On Feb 18, 2019, at 11:32 AM, Timon Walshe-Grey wrote: > > On Monday, February 18, 2019 7:17 PM, D. Margaux > wrote: > >> CoE—My blots were ratified to 0 without objection. Of course, intents are >> broken, but I need to

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Herald] Weekly Report

2019-02-18 Thread Gaelan Steele
Isn’t this ISIDTID? > On Feb 18, 2019, at 11:03 AM, Kerim Aydin wrote: > > > On 2/17/2019 1:34 PM, Kerim Aydin wrote: >> Herald’s Weekly report >> Date of Last Report: 04 Feb 2018 >> Date of This Report: 17 Feb 2019 > > I state what is necessary to be Rewarded for the above-referenced report.

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: it's time to care again

2019-02-17 Thread Gaelan Steele
s no specified method for obtaining a Black Relic. >> - Pride Relic: [Escalation Scam stuff here. I don't know what an Escalation >> Scam is, please let me know lol] >> - Wrath Relic: When a person has an action cancelled via Rule 1698, that >> person earns a Wrath Relic. >

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: testing collective punishment

2019-02-17 Thread Gaelan Steele
What if both nomics passed (matching) minigames themed around “combat with the other nomic”? We could write in rules to give the winning nomic dictatorship over the losing one, or just do it for bragging rights. Whatever the theme, I am very much in favor of inter-nomic interaction. Gaelan >

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: it's time to care again

2019-02-17 Thread Gaelan Steele
Dependent actions are critical enough that introducing a dependency on currency seems like a bad idea—if anything, I would want this to be a CAN but SHALL NOT sort of thing. Gaelan > On Feb 17, 2019, at 12:55 PM, ais...@alumni.bham.ac.uk wrote: > > On Sun, 2019-02-17 at 12:37 -0800, Kerim

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: it's time to care again

2019-02-17 Thread Gaelan Steele
Seems a little too difficult for me. Right now, generally the going rate is “1 scam = 1 win”—asking that someone finds multiple scams, all of which are fairly rare, just to get one win seems like it’s asking quite a lot. Gaelan > On Feb 17, 2019, at 1:19 PM, Kerim Aydin wrote: > > > I

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: testing collective punishment

2019-02-16 Thread Gaelan Steele
Consider me interested. Gaelan > On Feb 16, 2019, at 10:33 PM, Cuddle Beam wrote: > > We could just win it in the normal way next time and declare an Agora > theme... > > On Sun, 17 Feb 2019 at 01:32, Ørjan Johansen wrote: > >> My reading justifies the Agoran invasion better. >> >>

Re: DIS: Re: Church of Ritual

2019-02-16 Thread Gaelan Steele
Just as something to keep in mind: failed appeasement attempts should punish the failed appeaser, but not Agora as a whole (assuming that someone else comes along and does it correctly). Gaelan > On Feb 16, 2019, at 5:02 PM, Kerim Aydin wrote: > > > On 2/16/2019 4:16 PM, Aris Merchant

Fwd: DIS: Re: BUS: CFJs 3705 and 3706 judged FALSE

2019-02-13 Thread Gaelan Steele
H. Judge Aris, reminder: this is due tomorrow. Gaelan > Begin forwarded message: > > From: Kerim Aydin > Subject: Re: DIS: Re: BUS: CFJs 3705 and 3706 judged FALSE > Date: February 7, 2019 at 6:17:48 PM PST > To: agora-busin...@agoranomic.org > Reply-To: agora-discussion@agoranomic.org > > >

DIS: Re: BUS: humble agoran farmer goes to uni, Attn. Herald

2019-02-13 Thread Gaelan Steele
We have had some theses IIRC where someone wrote an extensive reply to someone and decided to tack on a “I submit this for a degree” (in the same message). But that’s not exactly the same thing Gaelan > On Feb 13, 2019, at 12:23 PM, Kerim Aydin wrote: > > To satisfy the "The Herald SHOULD

DIS: Re: BUS: PM Intent

2019-02-12 Thread Gaelan Steele
Who even are the laureled players at this point? Has anyone attempted a win after my scam? (Speaking of which, H. Judge Aris…) Gaelan > On Feb 12, 2019, at 1:09 PM, D. Margaux wrote: > > I intend with 2 days’ notice to deputise for Prime Minister to appoint a > Speaker from among the

DIS: Re: BUS: Votes

2019-02-10 Thread Gaelan Steele
Given the amount of slang crap going around, you might want to fix your AGAINT Gaelan > On Feb 10, 2019, at 9:35 AM, Edward Murphy wrote: > > I vote as follows: > > 8152 FOR > 8153 FOR (inadvertent mistakes can be papered over by auto-ratification) > 8154 AGAINT > 8155 PRESENT > 8156 FOR >

DIS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Distribution of Proposals 8152-8163

2019-02-09 Thread Gaelan Steele
Votes (and no intents to win by apathy this time) inline. Gaelan > On Feb 9, 2019, at 4:04 PM, Aris Merchant > wrote: > > I hereby distribute each listed proposal, initiating the Agoran > Decision of whether to adopt it, and removing it from the proposal > pool. For this decision, the vote

Re: BUS: Re: DIS: Agora itself is a contract

2019-02-09 Thread Gaelan Steele
The proposal that put our current contact system into place said “destroy all contracts.” Luckily, it was before the rule defined “contract” was created, so it’s probably fine. (Also, our safeguards probably would have cleaned things up) Gaelan > On Feb 9, 2019, at 10:36 AM, Cuddle Beam

Re: DIS: Proto-Proposal - Dependent Action Cleanup

2019-02-08 Thread Gaelan Steele
Yep, that would be me. And that is still nice (agora-ruleset.gaelan.me uses it), so I’d prefer that we keep that up. But if others think it’s fine, it’s not a dealbreaker for me. Gaelan > On Feb 8, 2019, at 4:11 PM, Ørjan Johansen wrote: > > I am reminded that a previous Rulekeepor (Gaelan

Re: DIS: Proto-Proposal - Dependent Action Cleanup

2019-02-08 Thread Gaelan Steele
Ooh, I wonder if it would be useful to have a “referendum” mechanism for non-binding* decisions. Maybe it’s overkill. Gaelan * Theresa Cannot’s opinion nonwithstanding > On Feb 8, 2019, at 11:19 AM, Kerim Aydin wrote: > > On Fri, Feb 8, 2019 at 10:30 AM Gaelan Steele wrote:

Re: DIS: Proto-Proposal - Dependent Action Cleanup

2019-02-08 Thread Gaelan Steele
Inline comments. Also, G, this is a little problematic for the contest—I’m required to propose a patch, but someone beat me to it. Gaelan > On Feb 8, 2019, at 9:45 AM, D. Margaux wrote: > > Below is a protoproposal that is meant to address the bug that Gaelan > identified. I also noticed

DIS: Re: BUS: CFJs 3705 and 3706 judged FALSE

2019-02-07 Thread Gaelan Steele
(I wrote this before seeing Ørjan's reply) Gaelan > On Feb 7, 2019, at 4:58 PM, Gaelan Steele wrote: > > I, unsurprisingly, disagree. You assume that there is a 1:1 mapping between > intents and announcements of intents. I'd argue otherwise—I announced the > same intent i

DIS: Re: BUS: CFJs 3705 and 3706 judged FALSE

2019-02-07 Thread Gaelan Steele
I, unsurprisingly, disagree. You assume that there is a 1:1 mapping between intents and announcements of intents. I'd argue otherwise—I announced the same intent in both messages. The rules don't define what an intent is or specify how one is created, so we fall back to the conventional English

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Scam (CONTAINS INTENT TO WIN BY APATHY)

2019-02-07 Thread Gaelan Steele
Could act on behalf of the assessor to resolve, or even force them to resign then deputize. Gaelan > On Feb 7, 2019, at 2:22 PM, Timon Walshe-Grey wrote: > >> On Thursday, February 7, 2019 10:07 PM, Gaelan Steele >> wrote: >> Note to G: had I had the foresig

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Scam (CONTAINS INTENT TO WIN BY APATHY)

2019-02-07 Thread Gaelan Steele
Yak, another correction: the note about the power of acting on behalf should be about ratification. Gaelan > On Feb 7, 2019, at 2:11 PM, Gaelan Steele wrote: > > s/method/message > >> On Feb 7, 2019, at 2:07 PM, Gaelan Steele wrote: >> >> As I previously

DIS: Re: BUS: Scam (CONTAINS INTENT TO WIN BY APATHY)

2019-02-07 Thread Gaelan Steele
s/method/message > On Feb 7, 2019, at 2:07 PM, Gaelan Steele wrote: > > As I previously stated in the quoted method, I intend, without objection, to > Declare Apathy, specifying myself. > > I Declare Apathy, specifying myself. > I Declare Apathy, specifying myself. &

Re: DIS: proto: communications regularization

2019-02-07 Thread Gaelan Steele
Speaking of Agoran terminology, it would probably be a good idea to define the Spivak pronouns in the rules. (Personally, I’d advocate for adopting they/them, but I know that’s unpopular.) Gaelan > On Feb 7, 2019, at 11:05 AM, Kerim Aydin wrote: > > So I walked away from the keyboard but

DIS: Re: BUS: CFJ 3703 assigned

2019-02-06 Thread Gaelan Steele
The former, I believe. The rules assign no significance to the result of a CFJ. Gaelan > On Feb 6, 2019, at 8:56 AM, D. Margaux wrote: > >> I CFJ, barring D. Margaux, on the statement: "If and when -N (negative N) >> coins are revoked from an entity, where N is a natural number, that entity's

DIS: Re: BUS: The Duumvirate

2019-02-05 Thread Gaelan Steele
Side note: would a rule with the text “Gaelan has power 3” be sufficient to establish a dictatorship? Gaelan > On Feb 5, 2019, at 4:13 PM, D. Margaux wrote: > > I withdraw my proposal The Duumvirate v.1.1, in order to make a minor > clarifying edit. > > I submit (and if necessary pend) a

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: humble agoran farmer something something

2019-02-05 Thread Gaelan Steele
You could pull off a scam with ratification without objection (have a legitimate excuse to ratify your coin holdings; get it ratified; go on a spending spree; ratify again) Gaelan > On Feb 5, 2019, at 8:22 AM, Kerim Aydin wrote: > > > You're good on the validity for the contest! > > More

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Registration

2019-02-04 Thread Gaelan Steele
I imagine it’s a cycle. Gaelan > On Feb 4, 2019, at 3:09 PM, ais...@alumni.bham.ac.uk wrote: > > > Theory: the fact that Agora and BlogNomic are by far the longest- > lasting nomics is connected to the fact that they're the only ones > referenced from Wikipedia. (That said, the causality may

DIS: Re: BUS: still need a currency for something

2019-02-04 Thread Gaelan Steele
Please do tell at some point—that sounds great Gaelan > On Feb 4, 2019, at 2:11 PM, Timon Walshe-Grey wrote: > > Ta. > > I intend, with 2 Agoran Consent, to award myself the degree Associate of > Nomic (A.N.). > > (Incidentally, this scam method could also be used for a power-3 >

DIS: Re: BUS: The 200 Asset Steal

2019-02-03 Thread Gaelan Steele
While I’m happy to know that someone’s using the thing I made, you might want to make sure that link doesn’t get written into the rule. :) Gaelan > On Feb 3, 2019, at 4:58 PM, Telnaior wrote: > > Add the following line to Rule 1006 ("Offices") after "If the holder of an > office is ever not

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: humble agoran farmer attempts to shoot people via their spacemobile for no good reason

2019-02-02 Thread Gaelan Steele
It’s not Faking if you didn’t know. Gaelan > On Feb 2, 2019, at 3:38 AM, Cuddle Beam wrote: > > Yeah, I agree with the moving. That's still totally legit, it's just the > battle initiation which got bugged out > ohgodpleasedon'tpointfingersatmeagainfornofaking > >> On Sat, Feb 2, 2019 at

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Referee] The Police Blotter

2019-02-02 Thread Gaelan Steele
2 blots from emself by publishing a formal apology of at least 200 words >> containing the words "annoyance", "persnickety", "pedantry" and "mullet", >> explaining eir error, shame, remorse, and ardent desire for >> self-improvement. >>

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: bring back judicial protections

2019-01-31 Thread Gaelan Steele
Not just that—at the time there was a rule that reenacted rules had to have “largely the same purpose” or something. Gaelan > On Jan 31, 2019, at 12:51 PM, Reuben Staley wrote: > > I'm pretty sure that me trying to do both at the same time is why we had to > converge the gamestate when PAoaM

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: CFJs 3697 and 3698 assigned

2019-01-30 Thread Gaelan Steele
alances are the same > regardless of how I got there". > >> On 1/30/2019 2:50 PM, Gaelan Steele wrote: >> It’s not clear if you meant for it to be one, but this isn’t a convergence >> in the rules sense—you need to designate it as one with 3 Consent. >> Gae

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Loophole Fix

2019-01-30 Thread Gaelan Steele
I disagree with your disagreement—it’s good to be able to trust our officers when we need to, but I see no reason to do so unnecessary. There are, of course, situations where it’s good to use the CAN but SHALL NOT, such as pending proposals, because it provides an escape hatch for broken stuff.

DIS: Re: BUS: CFJs 3697 and 3698 assigned

2019-01-30 Thread Gaelan Steele
It’s not clear if you meant for it to be one, but this isn’t a convergence in the rules sense—you need to designate it as one with 3 Consent. Gaelan > On Jan 30, 2019, at 1:28 PM, Kerim Aydin wrote: > > > Coin Convergence: > I earn 5 coins for judging CFJ 3698. > > On 1/30/2019 1:16 PM,

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Distribution of Proposals 8146-8151

2019-01-23 Thread Gaelan Steele
FWIW I’ve done this several times below (sometimes with the phrase “votes inline,” sometimes nothing) and gotten no complaints. Gaelan > On Jan 23, 2019, at 8:15 PM, Reuben Staley wrote: > > That is to say, I vote on the following proposals as such: > > On 1/23/19 9:14 PM, Reuben Staley

DIS: Re: OFF: [Clork] House of Snerds

2019-01-15 Thread Gaelan Steele
> On Jan 15, 2019, at 5:47 AM, Timon Walshe-Grey wrote: > > [ Clork's Notes - Not for Publication ]

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Distribution of Proposals 8139-8145

2019-01-08 Thread Gaelan Steele
Ops, that’s not my email. I believe this was Not Faking because it was unintentional. Gaelan > On Jan 8, 2019, at 6:22 PM, Gaelan Steele wrote: > > pf > > Gaelan > >> On Jan 7, 2019, at 11:54 PM, Aris Merchant >> wrote: >> >> I hereby d

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Distribution of Proposals 8139-8145

2019-01-08 Thread Gaelan Steele
Ttttpf (for real this time) Gaelan > On Jan 8, 2019, at 8:41 AM, Gaelan Steele wrote: > > > >> On Jan 7, 2019, at 11:54 PM, Aris Merchant >> wrote: >> >> I hereby distribute each listed proposal, initiating the Agoran >> Decision of whether to a

DIS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Distribution of Proposals 8139-8145

2019-01-08 Thread Gaelan Steele
> On Jan 7, 2019, at 11:54 PM, Aris Merchant > wrote: > > I hereby distribute each listed proposal, initiating the Agoran > Decision of whether to adopt it, and removing it from the proposal > pool. For this decision, the vote collector is the Assessor, the > quorum is 7, the voting method is

Re: DIS: proto-Tournament: Agora - the gathering

2019-01-04 Thread Gaelan Steele
Looks fun. Feedback inline Gaelan > On Jan 4, 2019, at 10:52 AM, Kerim Aydin wrote: > > > [Ok, even with politics and spaaace in the queue, those are a couple weeks > away. Thought I'd throw this out and see if enough people were around to > start something like this in the meantime.

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Proposal] Birthdays II

2018-12-18 Thread Gaelan Steele
I feel like the first one is more of a birthday—the day you first became a part of Agora is a lot more momentous than the last time you were involved in some deregistration scam (or even the last time you came back). As for unknown birthdays, maybe we could fall back to date of first message to

Re: DIS: rip agora?

2018-12-13 Thread Gaelan Steele
> On Dec 13, 2018, at 9:37 AM, Kerim Aydin wrote: > > > > >> On Thu, 13 Dec 2018, ATMunn wrote: >> There have been like no messages in the last few days. I assume everyone's >> just inactive, but I'm checking just to make sure something hasn't gone >> horribly wrong. > > I object.

Re: DIS: rip agora?

2018-12-13 Thread Gaelan Steele
I’m here. Gaelan > On Dec 13, 2018, at 6:20 AM, ATMunn wrote: > > There have been like no messages in the last few days. I assume everyone's > just inactive, but I'm checking just to make sure something hasn't gone > horribly wrong.

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Arbitor] Court Gazette

2018-12-03 Thread Gaelan Steele
Not that it matters, but I’m not convinced about this ruling. Proposal/decision issue aside, in this situation: Gaelan votes “ENDORSE G” Then G votes “FOR” Who was the last one to vote FOR? The CFJ would argue that G does, because e were the last one to submit a ballot that evaluates to FOR.

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Assessor] Resolution of Proposals 8133-8138

2018-12-02 Thread Gaelan Steele
-twg >> >> ‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐ >> On Monday, December 3, 2018 1:52 AM, Gaelan Steele g...@canishe.com wrote: >> >>> Did I really vote FOR 8136? IIRC I ENDORSED the last person to vote FOR, >>> and someone else did as well (that may have b

DIS: Re: OFF: [Assessor] Resolution of Proposals 8133-8138

2018-12-02 Thread Gaelan Steele
Did I really vote FOR 8136? IIRC I ENDORSED the last person to vote FOR, and someone else did as well (that may have been Jacob, who changed eir vote to endorse me). Either way, I *think* that’s an inextricable conditional that resolves to PRESENT. > On Dec 2, 2018, at 3:51 PM, Timon

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Registrar] The Agoran Directory

2018-12-02 Thread Gaelan Steele
Derp. I was reading it upside down > On Dec 2, 2018, at 10:38 AM, ATMunn wrote: > > It's in there? > >> On 12/2/2018 1:08 PM, Gaelan Steele wrote: >> Also, this doesn’t ratify, but it’s missing in the events section. >>> On Dec 2, 2018, at 6:55 AM, ATMunn wro

Re: DIS: [Proto-proposal] Agora can into space

2018-12-02 Thread Gaelan Steele
Comments inline Gaelan > On Dec 2, 2018, at 5:11 AM, Timon Walshe-Grey wrote: > > Figured I'd pick this up and run with it since ATMunn said e lost interest. I > mainly just looked over other issues people pointed out and fixed them, as > well as rearranging a few other things, but

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Registrar] The Agoran Directory

2018-12-02 Thread Gaelan Steele
Also, this doesn’t ratify, but it’s missing in the events section. > On Dec 2, 2018, at 6:55 AM, ATMunn wrote: > > On 12/1/2018 3:06 PM, Gaelan Steele wrote: >> CoE: My nichdel shenanigans are missing. > > I accept this CoE and publish t

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Registrar] The Agoran Directory

2018-12-01 Thread Gaelan Steele
Emself, then Agora, but yes Gaelan > On Dec 1, 2018, at 12:17 PM, ATMunn wrote: > > From what I can tell, the only thing this entails is nichdel's master switch > being flipped to Agora, right? > >> On 12/1/2018 3:06 PM, Gaelan Steele wrote: >> CoE: My nich

Re: DIS: [Idea] Agora Weekly

2018-11-30 Thread Gaelan Steele
On Nov 30, 2018, at 5:56 PM, ATMunn wrote: >> Having multiple columns is a cute idea, to be sure, but I think it would >> make it less viewable to anyone not using a fixed-width email client all the >> time. > > Ah, I guess I just kind of assumed everybody used fixed-width clients. I'll >

Re: BUS: Fwd: DIS: Re: OFF: Ballot for Proposals 8133-8138

2018-11-27 Thread Gaelan Steele
Is there any reason we’d want proposals resolved out of order? I don’t see any off hand, but it’s worth making sure we’re not losing the ability to easily clean up some mess. Gaelan > On Nov 27, 2018, at 7:29 AM, Jacob Arduino wrote: > > Good catch > I change my votes on Proposals 8135,

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Distribution of Proposals 8133-8138

2018-11-27 Thread Gaelan Steele
CoV on 8138: AGAINST Gaelan > On Nov 27, 2018, at 6:35 AM, Kerim Aydin wrote: > > > >> On Tue, 27 Nov 2018, Ørjan Johansen wrote: >> On Sun, 25 Nov 2018, Kerim Aydin wrote: >> 8138 twg 2.5 Access to contracts' assets > > I vote AGAINST 8138 and act on behalf of

DIS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Distribution of Proposals 8133-8138

2018-11-25 Thread Gaelan Steele
Votes below. I’ve decided to start ENDORSing the author instead of voting FOR, to allow proposals to be easily killed if a bug is found. > On Nov 25, 2018, at 2:35 PM, Aris Merchant > wrote: > > I hereby distribute each listed proposal, initiating the Agoran > Decision of whether to adopt it,

DIS: Re: OFF: [Treasuror] Weekly report: Forbes 500

2018-11-19 Thread Gaelan Steele
Oh right. I create a nothing in my possession (in case I don’t have one) and pay it to nichdel for his auction. E automatically pays me 10 coins. Gaelan > On Nov 19, 2018, at 2:35 PM, Timon Walshe-Grey wrote: > > Date of this weekly report: 2018-11-19 > Date of last weekly report: 2018-11-15

DIS: Re: BUS: Elections

2018-11-13 Thread Gaelan Steele
> On Nov 13, 2018, at 10:02 AM, Kerim Aydin wrote: > > > > I vote {ATMunn, D. Margaux, Murphy} for PM. > > On behalf of pokes, pokes votes Endorse G. in the PM election. Does this work? Intention is clear, but reads like e’s voting on behalf of emself. Gaelan > > On Sun, 11 Nov 2018,

DIS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Distribution of Proposals 8123-8132

2018-11-11 Thread Gaelan Steele
Votes inline > On Nov 11, 2018, at 7:34 PM, Aris Merchant > wrote: > > I hereby distribute each listed proposal, initiating the Agoran > Decision of whether to adopt it, and removing it from the proposal > pool. For this decision, the vote collector is the Assessor, the > quorum is 5, the

DIS: Re: BUS: SPOOKY package theft

2018-11-11 Thread Gaelan Steele
ce to flip Nichdel’s master switch back to agora. > >> On Nov 11, 2018, at 8:14 PM, Gaelan Steele wrote: >> >> I perform the following series of actions if and only if all of them are >> EFFECTIVE. >> >> I transfer 5 coins to nichdel. >> >>

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Dummy contract

2018-11-11 Thread Gaelan Steele
onday, November 12, 2018 12:11 AM, Gaelan Steele wrote: > >> The quoted offer is void. New version with the actual text so that people >> know it’s not dangerous: >> >> I agree to be bound by the following contract with one other player (after >> that

Re: DIS: [Promotor] Index Proposalorum

2018-11-11 Thread Gaelan Steele
CoE: there was a typo fix proposal in one of my recent vote emails. I’ll try and find it in few. Gaelan > On Nov 11, 2018, at 12:55 AM, Aris Merchant > wrote: > > Here's my draft list of proposals. If I'm missing anything, please let > me know. Also, all ID numbers are provisional. Thank

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Proposal] Quick proposals

2018-11-09 Thread Gaelan Steele
Should clarify that this doesn’t include year. Like the idea. Gaelan > On Nov 9, 2018, at 7:02 PM, Reuben Staley wrote: > > it is > the exact date e did so

Re: DIS: HTML ruleset viewer

2018-11-09 Thread Gaelan Steele
This is now fixed. Gaelan > On Nov 5, 2018, at 9:01 AM, Gaelan Steele wrote: > > Not sure if anyone is actually using this, but I just noticed that my code > for calculating revision numbers is wrong. I’ll try and fix it today, but > please disregard those for now. > >

DIS: Proposal-review Protos

2018-11-05 Thread Gaelan Steele
So, I (and I think some others) think we need a way to enforce peer review on proposals before they are voted on. Here are two proposals that would do that. I lean towards the second, but not strongly. OPTION A Amend rule 2350 by replacing “A player CAN create a proposal by announcement” with

Re: DIS: HTML ruleset viewer

2018-11-05 Thread Gaelan Steele
Not sure if anyone is actually using this, but I just noticed that my code for calculating revision numbers is wrong. I’ll try and fix it today, but please disregard those for now. Gaelan > On Nov 2, 2018, at 9:37 AM, Gaelan Steele wrote: > > I just put together a new web-base

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: 3679-80 judgements

2018-11-03 Thread Gaelan Steele
For what it’s worth, I’m from the US (near Seattle—hi G!) and I only knew of the “un-called for” definition, and was similarly confused. Gaelan > On Nov 3, 2018, at 1:33 PM, Timon Walshe-Grey wrote: > > Perhaps it's dialectal? Are you somewhere in the US? (Brit here.)

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: CFJs 3679 and 3680 - judgements

2018-11-03 Thread Gaelan Steele
te FOR this proposal. The way we currently >> define it already works well enough. >> >> On 11/02/2018 06:07 PM, Gaelan Steele wrote: >>> Huh. A proto: >>> >>> DEPENDENT ACTIONS >>> >>> A dependent action is an action that a rule states

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: CFJs 3679 and 3680 - judgements

2018-11-02 Thread Gaelan Steele
9, when it first came to have this general procedure (it may have been > in keeping with rule style in 1999, I dunno). > > If we dig into it there may be some good reasons to keep some of the things > "weird", but the whole structure isn't sacred or anything (I think!) > > On

DIS: Re: BUS: CFJs 3679 and 3680 - judgements

2018-11-02 Thread Gaelan Steele
Is there a reason the dependent action rules are so weird? Seems like they need a refactor to use more “normal” mechanisms. Gaelan > On Nov 2, 2018, at 10:45 AM, Kerim Aydin wrote: > > > > [The easy one first] > > On Mon, 29 Oct 2018, D. Margaux wrote: >> I CFJ barring twg: “If in the last

DIS: HTML ruleset viewer

2018-11-02 Thread Gaelan Steele
I just put together a new web-based ruleset viewer. Currently it’s just the SLR (plus a table of contents and keyword links), but I’ll try to add the FLR information soon. It’s also fairly slow right now—working on that. The data is from the Rulekeepor’s YAML files, so it should stay up to

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Proposal] Quick proposals

2018-11-01 Thread Gaelan Steele
Is this really what you want? Gaelan > On Nov 1, 2018, at 3:37 PM, Reuben Staley wrote: > > 2. For each office, if a single player held that office for 16 or > more days in the previous month and no unforgivable fines were > levied on em for eir conduct in that office during

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: salary equalisation

2018-11-01 Thread Gaelan Steele
Proto: create proposals with 1 support. Supporter SHOULD check the proposal against [list of common mistakes we keep somewhere] Gaelan > On Nov 1, 2018, at 9:58 AM, Kerim Aydin wrote: > > > > When I wrote Paydays (I think I drafted that text), I purposefully wanted > Speaker to be a

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Proposal] Quick proposals

2018-11-01 Thread Gaelan Steele
Pending’s gone, so can you retract? Gaelan > On Oct 31, 2018, at 10:41 PM, Reuben Staley wrote: > > Right you are, Ørjan. I retract the two proposals I have most recently > submitted and instead submit the following two: > > - > Title: Only proposals should be distributed > AI: 1 >

Re: DIS: [Proto-proposal] let's do some space

2018-10-31 Thread Gaelan Steele
Comments inline Gaelan > On Oct 31, 2018, at 2:19 PM, ATMunn wrote: > > So I've been working on the space proposal some more. It's taken me a lot > longer than I thought it would, but I've made a ton of progress. I still have > that feeling that there's something super important I've missed,

Re: DIS: Internal Affairs?

2018-10-31 Thread Gaelan Steele
G did try to start a festival once (in response to my April Fools proposal overwriting the ruleset with BlogNomic’s). It didn’t actually happen, however. Gaelan > On Oct 31, 2018, at 11:37 AM, ais...@alumni.bham.ac.uk wrote: > > On Wed, 2018-10-31 at 11:54 -0500, Aharon Zingman wrote: >>

DIS: Contract

2018-10-31 Thread Gaelan Steele
I consent to be bound by the contract below with any 1 or more other players who at any time similarly express their consent to be bound by the contract. [Thanks to D. Margaux for the wording] { Any party to this contract may act on Gaelan’s behalf to transfer one coin to emselves. Once this

DIS: Re: BUS: SPOOKY - Living Zombie

2018-10-31 Thread Gaelan Steele
I do. Gaelan > On Oct 31, 2018, at 7:41 AM, D. Margaux wrote: > > Gaelan: > > To fix a mistake I made in drafting, I propose to modify the contract by > adding to the end of it the following sentence: “Any player CAN become a > party to this contract by announcement.” > > Do you agree? >

Re: DIS: Rough Proto: Break the Rules Week

2018-10-29 Thread Gaelan Steele
wer within the VM, but the outer userspace can still do whatever it wants to the VM. I considered implementing this with a very-high power instrument that reverted Agora to original state at the end of the week, but that seems more likely to go wrong. Gaelan > > >> On Mon, 29 Oct 20

DIS: Rough Proto: Break the Rules Week

2018-10-29 Thread Gaelan Steele
Title: Break the Rules Week Power: 1 The _th week of _ is known as Break the Rules Week. At the beginning of Break the Rules Week, a copy of Agora, known as the Sandbox, is created; the copy does not include this rule. Within this rule, Agora refers only to the original copy, and not to the

DIS: Re: BUS: [Promotor] Distribution of Proposals 8112-8122

2018-10-28 Thread Gaelan Steele
Votes, as well as a proposal, inline. Gaelan > On Oct 28, 2018, at 6:16 PM, Aris Merchant > wrote: > > I hereby distribute each listed proposal, initiating the Agoran > Decision of whether to adopt it, and removing it from the proposal > pool. For this decision, the vote collector is the

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Deputisation

2018-10-28 Thread Gaelan Steele
While With Notice is a dependent action, demanding resignation is NOT with notice: (2472/2) If a player is Overpowered, any player CAN Demand Resignation from em by announcement, provided e has announced intent do to so between four and fourteen days earlier. The Overpowered

DIS: Re: BUS: Deputisation

2018-10-28 Thread Gaelan Steele
How does this work? Rules seem to only allow for contacts to allow acting on behalf. Gaelan > On Oct 28, 2018, at 3:00 PM, Timon Walshe-Grey wrote: > > I grant permission for any person except D. Margaux to act on my behalf to > Demand Resignation from D. Margaux within the next 7 days or

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