Fw: Re: DIS: Re: OFF: End of June Zombie Auction

2019-06-16 Thread Timon Walshe-Grey
itiated unless the Auctioneer is able > to give away each item in each of the Auction's lots." > > If Agora was unable to transfer the zombie ownership at the time the auction > was initiated, does that mean the initiation failed in the first place? > > On Saturday, June 15, 2019,

Re: Failures to Reenact (was Re: BUS: Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Distribution of Proposals 8152-8163)

2019-06-16 Thread Timon Walshe-Grey
23:01, Timon Walshe-Grey m...@timon.red wrote: > > > Also, CFJ: "Rule 2571 is guilty of violating Rule 105." This is not really > > relevant in the scheme of things, I just want it to show up in G.'s CFJ > > history to bewilder future historians. > > Did t

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: End of June Zombie Auction

2019-06-15 Thread Timon Walshe-Grey
If I recall correctly, there used to be a thing in rule 2551 that meant the clause "if the auctioneer CAN transfer the items... at will" didn't apply if the auctioneer was Agora. That seems to have gotten lost somewhere along the line - possibly in proposal 8113, which removed a sentence but

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Arbitor] CFJ 3732 assigned to Murphy

2019-06-12 Thread Timon Walshe-Grey
Yeah, I could have phrased that a lot better, couldn't I? Sorry. :P If Murphy chooses not to address the 2019 election (or doesn't notice the dates) I will resubmit the CFJ with better grammar. -twg ‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐ On Wednesday, June 12, 2019 3:10 PM, Kerim Aydin wrote: > >

Re: DIS: Re: implausible denial

2019-06-12 Thread Timon Walshe-Grey
If we happen to be amending that rule anyway, could we also replace "inquiry case" with "Call for Judgement"? I know there're several CFJs saying that it works fine as a synonym even though "inquiry case" isn't defined any more, but it confused me to no end the first few times I read the rules

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: CFJ on Blots

2019-06-11 Thread Timon Walshe-Grey
That is quite scary, but I think we're OK - R2577 says "CANNOT be destroyed except by a proposal or rule", not "CAN be destroyed by a proposal or rule", so although it's not _preventing_ unadopted proposals from defining how to destroy assets, it's not creating a _mechanism_ by which they might

DIS: Re: BUS: Referee Fix

2019-06-02 Thread Timon Walshe-Grey
I believe this needs to be "and CAN, and in a timely fashion SHALL, conclude the investigation". Otherwise, the "in a timely fashion" would also apply to the CAN, so that the Referee COULD NOT conclude an investigation if it were overdue. I think. -twg ‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐ On

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Prime Minister] there's no confidence in the economy, so...

2019-06-02 Thread Timon Walshe-Grey
, D. Margaux wrote: > If e didn’t, then the election announcement did not have a clear list of > the valid options and is therefore invalid per CFJ No Number! > > On Sun, Jun 2, 2019 at 10:59 AM Timon Walshe-Grey m...@timon.red wrote: > > > I vote for Corona in the ongoing Pr

Re: DIS: (Attn omd) mailman.agoranomic.org HTTPS certificate error

2019-05-31 Thread Timon Walshe-Grey
Protip: cron has built-in email forwarding - you can add `MAILTO="c.ome...@gmail.com"` at the start of your crontab to get it to send you anything that gets printed to stderr. (I feel your pain. At least one of my domain names goes down every three months like clockwork.) -twg ‐‐‐

Re: DIS: Proto-judgements of CFJs 3722-3725

2019-03-09 Thread Timon Walshe-Grey
Yes, that is in fact exactly what I argue in the judgement to CFJ 3724. :P I expect D. Margaux meant something like "its outcome, _if resolved now_, would be ADOPTED". I imagine e would have resubmitted it with that wording, after realising that the initial wording was wrong, if it hadn't

Re: DIS: Proto-judgements of CFJs 3722-3725

2019-03-08 Thread Timon Walshe-Grey
On Friday, March 8, 2019 2:50 AM, Kerim Aydin wrote: > You don't have to worry about the Disclaimer in the ADoP's report - > disclaimers are used all the time to ratify false things, under the guidance > of R2202 you're supposed to use disclaimers when reporting false things > for the purpose of

DIS: Proto-judgements of CFJs 3722-3725

2019-03-07 Thread Timon Walshe-Grey
Attached as individual text files. Please have a look and let me know what you think... -twg === CFJ 3724 === An Agoran Decision whether to adopt Proposal 8164 was initiated and its outcome is ADOPTED.

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [SPOOKY Prime Minister] Distribution of Proposal 8164

2019-03-07 Thread Timon Walshe-Grey
I'm sorry, our messages crossed. I think it will be trivially determinable from my judgement to 3723 though. -twg ‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐ On Friday, March 8, 2019 12:12 AM, Kerim Aydin wrote: > > > I favor this case. > > On 3/7/2019 4:08 PM, D. Margaux wrote: > > > I CoE this

DIS: Attn H. Promotor (Re: BUS: Attn H. Referee: Proposal 8164 CFJs)

2019-03-07 Thread Timon Walshe-Grey
Will type up my judgement later when I'm actually at home, but I am fairly certain that the correct judgements are as follows: CFJ 3722 - TRUE. CFJ 3723 - FALSE. CFJ 3724 - FALSE. Aris, I believe that Proposal 8164 has become undistributed, so could you please attempt to distribute it once

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Treasuror] Forbes 500

2019-03-05 Thread Timon Walshe-Grey
t would > > > be "evidence previously unavailable is now revealed". But because I'm > > > interested in that retroactivity question, I haven't provided the > > > original statement text at this point in time. > > > On Tue, Mar 5, 2019 at 10:09 AM D. M

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Distribution of Proposals 8165-8173

2019-03-04 Thread Timon Walshe-Grey
Sorry. I did see your original comment but completely forgot to get around to writing a revised proposal. -twg Original Message On 4 Mar 2019, 02:18, Ørjan Johansen wrote: > This is broken. As I pointed out in a previous comment on this proposal, > rule [2591](tel:2591) no

Re: DIS: [Promotor] Draft

2019-03-02 Thread Timon Walshe-Grey
I don't see any errors in this draft, but I've just noticed that the previous Promotor report omitted CuddleBeam's proposal "And the next thing you know, Space Ships are going to have more rights than people", which has now been self-ratified out of existence. It was submitted in this message:

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: let's proceed to the second line-item

2019-02-24 Thread Timon Walshe-Grey
What about just requiring Agoran Consent? Seems like the obvious way to protect something that could be useful or dangerous depending on who's using it. -twg Original Message On 25 Feb 2019, 01:08, Ørjan Johansen wrote: > It seems to me that this would cause a heap of

DIS: Re: BUS: Politics

2019-02-24 Thread Timon Walshe-Grey
Yeah, I noticed that earlier in the week but didn't get around to stopping you. Win by apathy indeed. :P -twg Original Message On 25 Feb 2019, 00:01, D. Margaux wrote: > I pay 24 balloons to win the game (legitimately this time). > > H. Clork: Unless I misread the rules or

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Not so fast!

2019-02-22 Thread Timon Walshe-Grey
trary rule changes to be > > > made and/or arbitrary proposals to be adopted within a four-week period.” > > > Note the “and/or.” Nothing here prevents arbitrary proposals from being > > > adopted—it just prevents them from changing the rules upon doing so. > > >

DIS: Re: BUS: Not so fast!

2019-02-22 Thread Timon Walshe-Grey
On Friday, February 22, 2019 4:08 AM, James Cook wrote: > Adoption Index: 3.05 Don't think anyone's spotted this yet, but AI can only be a multiple of 0.1. If I recall correctly, invalid values default to 1.0, which wouldn't work here. (Or even worse, might work _only in part_.) -twg

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Not so fast!

2019-02-21 Thread Timon Walshe-Grey
Yes, the "gamestate" includes the rules, and I initially assumed the same thing as you. But ais523 pointed out a few days ago that rule 105/19 says A rule change is wholly prevented from taking effect unless its full text was published, along with an unambiguous and clear

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Not so fast!

2019-02-19 Thread Timon Walshe-Grey
Already on my radar! -twg ‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐ On Tuesday, February 19, 2019 1:40 AM, Kerim Aydin wrote: > > > On 2/18/2019 5:18 PM, D. Margaux wrote: > > > This is such a mess lol. > > Patent title suggestion for everyone involved in the mess: > "Badge of the Best Intents". > >

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Intent (+SPOOKY)

2019-02-18 Thread Timon Walshe-Grey
> > > On Feb 18, 2019, at 6:32 PM, Timon Walshe-Grey m...@timon.red wrote: > > Hold on, are we sure G. isn't in on it? > > -twg > > ‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐ > > > > > On Monday, February 18, 2019 11:31 PM, D. Margaux dmargaux...@gmail.com

DIS: Re: BUS: Another useful string for future reference

2019-02-18 Thread Timon Walshe-Grey
gwt-uMHZuFGagIXdvlHIu9GIl1Wa0BCajVXbg82b0BSesVmcpRnblBSZ2FGagwiclRWYlJHIyFWZkBCL19WW ‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐ On Monday, February 18, 2019 8:52 PM, Kerim Aydin wrote: > > > 784743443F7C486AF33A5FEA440ECD9F92B02CA7B12E19EBFB5330863B050F7C >

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Not so fast!

2019-02-18 Thread Timon Walshe-Grey
al Message ‐‐‐ On Monday, February 18, 2019 11:22 PM, James Cook wrote: > On Mon, 18 Feb 2019 at 23:15, Timon Walshe-Grey m...@timon.red wrote: > > > On Monday, February 18, 2019 11:05 PM, James Cook jc...@cs.berkeley.edu > > wrote: > > > > > Can a proposal d

DIS: Re: BUS: Intent (+SPOOKY)

2019-02-18 Thread Timon Walshe-Grey
Hold on, are we sure G. isn't in on it? -twg ‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐ On Monday, February 18, 2019 11:31 PM, D. Margaux wrote: > Like Gaelan, I do the following, and I cause ATMunn to do the following: > > - object to any intents announced in the quoted message. > - if quoted

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Not so fast!

2019-02-18 Thread Timon Walshe-Grey
On Monday, February 18, 2019 11:05 PM, James Cook wrote: > Can a proposal designate a change as a convergence? I worry about "in > accordance with the rules" in R214. I think this part of R106 accounts for that: Except as prohibited by other rules, a proposal that

DIS: Re: BUS: Cleanliness

2019-02-18 Thread Timon Walshe-Grey
example, > I think Judgment is as common as Judgement, or nearly so, in both > American and British English, and historically Judgment was more > common. Was there another reason to make the change?) > > On Mon, 18 Feb 2019 at 17:32, Timon Walshe-Grey m...@timon.red wrote: > > >

DIS: Re: OFF: [Herald] vote for the best Ruleset find

2019-02-18 Thread Timon Walshe-Grey
My vote is {Gaelan, Telnaior, CuddleBeam, twg} - ordered firstly by whether or not it actually works (ruleset glitches notwithstanding), and secondly by how serious the implications are. -twg ‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐ On Monday, February 18, 2019 7:00 PM, Kerim Aydin wrote: > > >

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Referee] The Police Blotter

2019-02-18 Thread Timon Walshe-Grey
On Monday, February 18, 2019 7:17 PM, D. Margaux wrote: > CoE—My blots were ratified to 0 without objection. Of course, intents are > broken, but I need to put in this CoE so that ratification of this report > won’t overwrite the retroactive effect of any fix. Can you not just play _normally_

DIS: Re: OFF: [Treasuror] Forbes 500

2019-02-18 Thread Timon Walshe-Grey
;: First time I've been referred to as CuddlebeamS (I think > all of my Agoran aliases so far are Cuddlebeam, CuddleBeam and Cuddle Beam, > lol)  > > I don't know if that's a big enough issue to CoE or not. > > On Mon, Feb 18, 2019 at 8:13 PM Timon Walshe-Grey wrote: > > >

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Read the Ruleset week - summary of entries

2019-02-18 Thread Timon Walshe-Grey
Oh, good point lol. Ignore me. :P -twg ‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐ On Monday, February 18, 2019 1:47 AM, Kerim Aydin wrote: > > > AFAICT it wasn't submitted during Read the Ruleset Week? > > On 2/17/2019 4:36 PM, Timon Walshe-Grey wrote: > > > Ooh, in that case c

Re: DIS: Re: More Politicking

2019-02-18 Thread Timon Walshe-Grey
Yes, I think it does make it INEFFECTIVE, per 2579's "must state the correct set of assets for the fee". But feel free to CFJ. -twg ‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐ On Monday, February 18, 2019 12:39 AM, D. Margaux wrote: > > > > On Feb 17, 2019, at 7:04 PM, D. Margaux dmargaux...@gmail.com

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: Space Battle 003

2019-02-18 Thread Timon Walshe-Grey
ink this reduces twg’s armor from 10 to 0 > and Gaelan’s stays at 10? I confess I haven’t paid much attention to the > space rules though recently. > If this is accurate I’ll resend to official > > > On Feb 18, 2019, at 12:37 PM, Timon Walshe-Grey m...@timon.

DIS: Re: OFF: Space Battle 003

2019-02-18 Thread Timon Walshe-Grey
(Pssst! For this to be EFFECTIVE I think you also have to say by how much each of our Armour was reduced by.) -twg ‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐ On Monday, February 18, 2019 5:34 PM, D. Margaux wrote: > Resolved battle 003: > > Gaelan spent 11 energy. > > Twg spent 0 energy. > > I think

DIS: Impossible. Perhaps the archives are incomplete.

2019-02-18 Thread Timon Walshe-Grey
D. Margaux, Did you ever get around to resolving Space Battle 3 (Gaelan vs. me)? I have an Energy value privately sent by me to you in my outbox, and I think I recall Gaelan saying e'd sent you one as well, but I can't find any resolution message from you. Furthermore, going forward, can I

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Not so fast!

2019-02-18 Thread Timon Walshe-Grey
An alternative is: "Change the gamestate [including the ruleset] to what it would have been if the below amendment had taken effect immediately after Proposal 7815, and if no further changes had been made to Rule 2124 since. Designate this change as a convergence." I believe this would allow

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Intent

2019-02-18 Thread Timon Walshe-Grey
The closest thing I could find is this: which relates to UNDEAD, but to the best of my knowledge Aris registered well after UNDEAD was a major thing. My default assumption whenever something like this happens is that

DIS: Re: BUS: Intent

2019-02-18 Thread Timon Walshe-Grey
On Monday, February 18, 2019 8:24 AM, Cuddle Beam wrote: > I hngah 50 coins for Aris Merchant // Title: 50 coins Adoption index: 1.0 Author: CuddleBeam Aris Merchant

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Read the Ruleset week - summary of entries

2019-02-17 Thread Timon Walshe-Grey
Ooh, in that case can we count my assertion that Rule 2571 is guilty of violating Rule 105? :P I also kind of feel that scams that don't actually work (i.e. mine) should be disqualified by default. -twg ‐‐‐

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: More Politicking

2019-02-17 Thread Timon Walshe-Grey
. -twg ‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐ On Monday, February 18, 2019 12:20 AM, D. Margaux wrote: > > > > On Feb 17, 2019, at 7:15 PM, Timon Walshe-Grey m...@timon.red wrote: > > Forgive me, but I can't seem to find the rule(s) where the action of > > "causing t

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: SPOOKY Broken Intent Scam

2019-02-17 Thread Timon Walshe-Grey
On Sunday, February 17, 2019 7:34 PM, D. Margaux wrote: > > > > On Feb 17, 2019, at 2:17 PM, Timon Walshe-Grey m...@timon.red wrote: > > Yes you did: (1) the power to assign a judge to a CFJ in the same message > > it's initiated; and (2) the power to personally

DIS: Re: BUS: More Politicking

2019-02-17 Thread Timon Walshe-Grey
On Monday, February 18, 2019 12:04 AM, D. Margaux wrote: > I cause each of Ronald Ray-Gun, Politician McPoliticianface, Benjamin > Surreali, Lex Luthor, Loseston Churchvalley, Genghis Khaan, Hillary > Rodham Clinton, Zeno of Citium, Eric, and Xi Kingpin to vote for Ronald > Ray-Gun for

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: SPOOKY Broken Intent Scam

2019-02-17 Thread Timon Walshe-Grey
On Sunday, February 17, 2019 2:28 PM, D. Margaux wrote: > I purposefully didn’t use any of the powers of the Arbitor for this scam. Yes you did: (1) the power to assign a judge to a CFJ in the same message it's initiated; and (2) the power to personally select who judges a CFJ. Both of these

DIS: Re: BUS: SPOOKY Broken Intent Scam

2019-02-17 Thread Timon Walshe-Grey
On Sunday, February 17, 2019 1:08 PM, D. Margaux wrote: > I call the following CFJ: "This CFJ is FALSE." I intend, with 2 support, to enter the judgement of this CFJ into Moot. I intend to deputise for the Arbitor to initiate the Agoran decision to determine public confidence in the judgement

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: testing collective punishment

2019-02-17 Thread Timon Walshe-Grey
Trigon is the current Emperor of BlogNomic, so depending on how corruptible e is we may have an in... More seriously, the office of "Ambassador" (to other nomics) that apparently used to be a thing is mildly interesting: https://www.mail-archive.com/agora-official@agoranomic.org/msg06285.html

Re: Failures to Reenact (was Re: BUS: Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Distribution of Proposals 8152-8163)

2019-02-13 Thread Timon Walshe-Grey
On Thursday, February 14, 2019 12:16 AM, D. Margaux wrote: > So, under this language if you believe no rule violation occurred, I think > you MUST declare shenanigans. Right? Yes, and I did! On Thursday, February 14, 2019 12:27 AM, D. Margaux wrote: > Wait... hmm... so you’re saying it’s

Re: DIS: Re: Fwd: BUS: Red herrings and indigo ribbons

2019-02-13 Thread Timon Walshe-Grey
On Wednesday, February 13, 2019 7:39 PM, D. Margaux wrote: > I’d probably vote for this [proposal to revoke degrees]. I was mostly > interested in scamming the indigo ribbon. Likewise! If anything I support the revocation of my degree, since it means I can be re-awarded it in the future

DIS: Re: BUS: New Scam CFJ

2019-02-13 Thread Timon Walshe-Grey
Aand that's that. Oh well, even if the scam didn't work in the end, at least it stimulated some interesting philosphical discussion :P -twg ‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐ On Wednesday, February 13, 2019 3:16 PM, Kerim Aydin wrote: > > > I judge CFJ 3708 as follows: > > When a person

DIS: Re: BUS: Judgement of CFJ 3703

2019-02-11 Thread Timon Walshe-Grey
On Sunday, February 10, 2019 5:08 PM, Edward Murphy wrote: > Revoking coins isn't an abstract math operation, it's destruction of > assets. "Revoking negative coins" can't occur, for the same reason that > "punching the King of England" can't occur right now. Exactly, thank you. -twg

DIS: Re: BUS: still need a currency for something

2019-02-11 Thread Timon Walshe-Grey
‐‐‐ On Sunday, February 10, 2019 2:51 PM, D. Margaux wrote: > Just in case... > > > On Feb 4, 2019, at 5:11 PM, Timon Walshe-Grey m...@timon.red wrote: > > I intend, with 2 Agoran Consent, to award myself the degree Associate of > > Nomic (A.N.). > > I object. I withdra

Re: DIS: Suggestion for dealing with Defeated Spaceship repair bug

2019-02-11 Thread Timon Walshe-Grey
OK, well, y'all have spoken. Personally I'm not terribly enthused about an elimination game, but it's not up to me. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ Treasuror and Astronomor reports will be further delayed until I get around to figuring out which actions succeeded and which failed. -twg ‐‐‐ Original Message

Re: DIS: Agora itself is a contract

2019-02-11 Thread Timon Walshe-Grey
On Monday, February 11, 2019 6:56 PM, Kerim Aydin wrote: > Agora has 1,000+ coins, and attempts to transfer coins "to the Ruleset (as a > contract)" would either transfer the coin to Agora, or attempt to transfer > to a nonexistent entity (leading to the question being malformed). Don't suppose

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Red herrings and indigo ribbons

2019-02-11 Thread Timon Walshe-Grey
lic forum. :) > > On 2019-02-10 00:30, Timon Walshe-Grey wrote: > > > I act on behalf of Telnaior to retract eir objection to my intent to > > Declare Apathy; > > and I Declare Apathy, specifying the following set of players: {twg}.

DIS: Re: BUS: Red herrings and indigo ribbons

2019-02-09 Thread Timon Walshe-Grey
a novel bug. :-/ > > I had planned to use the act-on-behalf mechanic to force everyone to vote FOR > it immediately before voting period is over, so it wouldn’t be destructive. > Hadn’t occurred to me to use a festival, which is a clever idea. > > > On Feb 9, 2019, at 8:30 AM, Timon

DIS: Re: BUS: Red herrings and indigo ribbons

2019-02-09 Thread Timon Walshe-Grey
On Saturday, February 9, 2019 1:30 PM, Timon Walshe-Grey wrote: > I act on behalf of Corona to support my intent to award myself the degree > Associate of Nomic; My apologies, I believe upon rereading that this one fails because Corona is my zombie. But I believe all the others stil

DIS: Suggestion for dealing with Defeated Spaceship repair bug

2019-02-07 Thread Timon Walshe-Grey
Now, I don't want to have to go back over every BUS message from the past two weeks looking for what's changed, and presumably y'all would rather do without the uncertainty of which actions were EFFECTIVE and which weren't, so how does this sound as an equitable resolution? Would anybody object

DIS: Re: BUS: Scam (CONTAINS INTENT TO WIN BY APATHY)

2019-02-07 Thread Timon Walshe-Grey
On Thursday, February 7, 2019 10:07 PM, Gaelan Steele wrote: > Note to G: had I had the foresight, this could have been a dictatorship > (instead of doing apathy, ratify that there exists a contract, to which all > players are parties, with the text “Gaelan can perform any action on behalf >

DIS: Re: BUS: twg, Thanks for the help! [Attn. H. Herald, H. PM, H. Speaker]

2019-02-07 Thread Timon Walshe-Grey
Aww, shucks. I think it would be crude of me to support, but you're very welcome. :) -twg ‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐ On Thursday, February 7, 2019 12:18 AM, Aris Merchant wrote: > twg, you have been of great assistance in finding problems with my > recent Promotor reports [1] [2]. I

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: CFJ 3703 assigned

2019-02-07 Thread Timon Walshe-Grey
Hmm, the parallels between Space Battle resolution and proposal resolution are remarkable. Would it be a good idea to add something like Rule 2034 for Space Battles? -twg ‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐ On Wednesday, February 6, 2019 7:38 PM, Kerim Aydin wrote: > > On this subject,

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: With apologies to Trigon

2019-02-07 Thread Timon Walshe-Grey
019-02-07 03:26, Timon Walshe-Grey wrote: > > > The following is a Notice of Honour: > > +1 Trigon (for eir neat storytelling) > > -1 Telnaior (for continuing to exploit a known loophole that has a patch > > pending, which IMO is not very sporting) > > What do peo

DIS: Re: BUS: Intent

2019-02-05 Thread Timon Walshe-Grey
Yikes. I've been told in the past that forcibly ousting (non-corrupt) officers without their consent is considered rude, but if you're willing to wait until the weekend I can distribute it for you as a one-off, if Aris hasn't already by then. -twg ‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐ On

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: still need a currency for something

2019-02-04 Thread Timon Walshe-Grey
On Monday, February 4, 2019 11:22 PM, Timon Walshe-Grey wrote: > It's not 100% guaranteed to work, Actually, scratch that bit, it works fine (again, assuming the scam itself works in the first place). -twg

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: still need a currency for something

2019-02-04 Thread Timon Walshe-Grey
0800, Kerim Aydin wrote: > > > On 2/4/2019 2:11 PM, Timon Walshe-Grey wrote: > > > > > Ta. > > > I intend, with 2 Agoran Consent, to award myself the degree Associate of > > > Nomic (A.N.). > > > > Ok, a contract and a thesis intent, ve

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Registration

2019-02-04 Thread Timon Walshe-Grey
I love that the talk page on that Wikipedia article has an argument about how to define a nomic. -twg ‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐ On Monday, February 4, 2019 11:16 PM, ais...@alumni.bham.ac.uk wrote: > On Mon, 2019-02-04 at 23:09 +, ais...@alumni.bham.ac.uk wrote: > > > On Mon,

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: With apologies to Trigon

2019-02-04 Thread Timon Walshe-Grey
Telnaior has sent eir Energy value now, so fire away with the melons. -twg ‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐ On Monday, February 4, 2019 1:40 AM, Reuben Staley wrote: > PF > > On 2/3/19 6:40 PM, Reuben Staley wrote: > > > Getting roped into doing a space battle I didn't even want to do in

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Registrar] Zombie Auction

2019-02-02 Thread Timon Walshe-Grey
019, at 4:25 PM, Ørjan Johansen oer...@nvg.ntnu.no wrote: > > > > > On Sat, 2 Feb 2019, Timon Walshe-Grey wrote: > > > I transfer all Tenhigitsune's liquid assets to myself, flip eir master > > > switch to Agora, and bid 1 coin in this auction. > > > > Yo

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Registrar] Zombie Auction

2019-02-02 Thread Timon Walshe-Grey
Yeah, I noticed a few minutes after I sent it and mentally kicked myself. Oh well, it's only a 10-coin loss. -twg ‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐ On Saturday, February 2, 2019 9:25 PM, Ørjan Johansen wrote: > On Sat, 2 Feb 2019, Timon Walshe-Grey wrote: > > > I transfer all Te

DIS: Re: BUS: humble agoran farmer attempts to shoot people via their spacemobile for no good reason

2019-02-02 Thread Timon Walshe-Grey
Yep, the initiation is INEFFECTIVE because Tenhigitsune's ship was still engaging in its Space Battle with D. Margaux at the time. (And it was Defeated in that Space Battle, so another attempt would still be INEFFECTIVE.) I believe you did successfully move to Sector 9, though. -twg ‐‐‐

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Referee] The Police Blotter

2019-02-02 Thread Timon Walshe-Grey
ullet > annoyance persnickety pedantry mullet annoyance persnickety pedantry mullet > annoyance persnickety pedantry mullet. I made an error because I had an > oversight, I have shame, remorse, and ardent desire for self-improvement. > > I expunge 2 blots from myself. > > On

Re: DIS: Unlasting Damage

2019-02-02 Thread Timon Walshe-Grey
- > > > > > > *By Rule 2591, armour is a switch with value 0 to 10, so twg's armour > > > CANNOT grow to 20. > > > **By Rule 2592, any energy in excess of 20 is destroyed, so G.'s > > > energy CANNOT grow t

Re: Fwd: DIS: Re: Fwd: Re: BUS: Weekly maintenance

2019-01-29 Thread Timon Walshe-Grey
The _coin balances_ have self-ratified. Historical transactions themselves generally don't. -twg ‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐ On Tuesday, January 29, 2019 6:12 PM, Kerim Aydin wrote: > > > Support. Has the transfer itself self-ratified? > > On 1/29/2019 10:02 AM, Timon Wa

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Referee] The Police Blotter

2019-01-29 Thread Timon Walshe-Grey
uck lmao, I was wrong, I was thinking that I had been inactive but > apparently I haven't actually deregistered (and thus been a fugitive) at any > point. > > On Tue, Jan 29, 2019 at 6:33 PM Timon Walshe-Grey wrote: > > > As I said, it's Kenyon who's the fugitive and ought

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Referee] The Police Blotter

2019-01-29 Thread Timon Walshe-Grey
As I said, it's Kenyon who's the fugitive and ought to have had some of eir blots destroyed, not you. -twg ‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐ On Tuesday, January 29, 2019 5:30 PM, Cuddle Beam wrote: > Why do you object lol > > On Tue, Jan 29, 2019 at 6:29 PM Timon Walshe-Gr

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Referee] The Police Blotter

2019-01-29 Thread Timon Walshe-Grey
ot; > > Why do I still have 3 Blots? > > I expunge 1 Blot from myself > > On Tue, Jan 29, 2019 at 6:11 PM Timon Walshe-Grey m...@timon.red wrote: > > > Date of this weekly report: 2019-01-29 > > Date of last weekly report: 2019-01-21 > > > > BLOT HOLD

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Can we put the Orinoco River in space so I can sing Enya

2019-01-29 Thread Timon Walshe-Grey
On Tuesday, January 29, 2019 4:51 PM, Telnaior wrote: > (I'm guessing the spaceship from zombie-me was > self-ratified out of existence by now regardless, which simplifies > things a little) Sorry, no such luck - the previous Astronomor report did in fact include it. But

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Assessor] Resolution of Proposals 8146-8151

2019-01-29 Thread Timon Walshe-Grey
greater than 1). > > > > Trigon > > On Tue, Jan 29, 2019, 09:34 Timon Walshe-Grey > > I resolve the Agoran Decisions to adopt each of Proposals 8146-8151 as > > follows. > > -twg > > > &

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Can we put the Orinoco River in space so I can sing Enya

2019-01-29 Thread Timon Walshe-Grey
it. -twg ‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐ On Tuesday, January 29, 2019 4:36 PM, Madeline wrote: > Are you sure? The Spaceship I possessed as a zombie was deemed to have > been destroyed the moment it entered the L office upon my > deregistration two weeks ago. > > On 2019-01-30 03:29

DIS: Re: BUS: Can we put the Orinoco River in space so I can sing Enya

2019-01-29 Thread Timon Walshe-Grey
No, it's in Sector 16. The one in Sector 5 was created the _first_ time you registered today, and is now property of the Lost and Found Department. I've also just realised that the rule doesn't specify 10 as the default for Armour (which it should). Annoyingly, everyone else's (except, newly,

Re: DIS: Cantus Cygneus

2019-01-29 Thread Timon Walshe-Grey
One of my favourite AWJ entries: > THE AGORAN WEEKLY JOURNAL > VOLUME 51, BACK ISSUE 3 > Sunday, December 31, 2006 > December 15: Goethe publishes a Cantus Cygneus. This triggers a > CFJ on whether e can be deregistered for it (the Writ of FAGE > procedure involves the

Re: DIS: Cantus Cygneus

2019-01-29 Thread Timon Walshe-Grey
Actually, the Registrar did deregister you a couple of weeks ago. There just hasn't been a report since then. -twg ‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐ On Tuesday, January 29, 2019 2:58 PM, Telnaior wrote: > The following is my Cantus Cygneus, to be published by the Registrar in > a timely

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Scam Part 2

2019-01-22 Thread Timon Walshe-Grey
.@gmail.com wrote: > > > Unfortunately, I think the common definition makes it rather clear what’s > > going on. It’s definitely 1,000,000,000 actions, according to CFJ 3597, but > > I think that CFJ may also suggest that we can only levy one fine (I’m not > > sure abou

Re: DIS: [Promotor] Draft

2019-01-21 Thread Timon Walshe-Grey
Oh gosh, I'd completely forgotten about the tangelo thing. Out of curiosity, does anyone think it will actually have any effect on anything at all? (Given that Powerful Tangeloes almost certainly won't pass.) Title and AI for 8142 are wrong in the full text section. So is AI for 8143. I've

DIS: Re: BUS: Scam Part 2

2019-01-20 Thread Timon Walshe-Grey
Oh, please say I can levy 1,000,000,000 fines. That would be awesome. ...Maybe not for D. Margaux. :/ Incidentally, I just did a brief ruleset skim for something that might indicate whether this was 1 action or 1,000,000,000, and uncovered a different issue: I can't find any definition of

DIS: Re: OFF: [ADoP] Metareport

2019-01-20 Thread Timon Walshe-Grey
NB: You might already have known this, but Politics creates a couple of new obligations for you: you are now supposed to track offices' Complexity and award favours for Efficiency (currently Substance Use Liberals favours) each week. -twg ‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐ On Sunday, January

Re: BUS: Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Assessor] Resolution of Proposals 8143-8145 and 8142

2019-01-20 Thread Timon Walshe-Grey
16, 2019 4:20 PM, D. Margaux wrote: > > > > On Jan 16, 2019, at 3:48 AM, Timon Walshe-Grey m...@timon.red wrote: > > Even if I made that pledge, nobody would trust me, and rightly so. > > FWIW, I would trust you if you made that pledge. > > Theoretically, the p

Re: DIS: Poll: Abuse of Office

2019-01-20 Thread Timon Walshe-Grey
Shame. I was hoping to get some use out of Rule 2175. -twg ‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐ On Sunday, January 20, 2019 6:07 PM, D. Margaux wrote: > Nope but that’s a good one too! > > > On Jan 20, 2019, at 1:01 PM, Timon Walshe-Grey m...@timon.red wrote: > > Is this

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: I realise this is extremely ridiculous, but

2019-01-20 Thread Timon Walshe-Grey
Original Message ‐‐‐ On Thursday, January 17, 2019 7:10 PM, Kerim Aydin wrote: > > > On 1/16/2019 5:37 AM, D. Margaux wrote:> > > > > On Jan 16, 2019, at 4:10 AM, Timon Walshe-Grey m...@timon.red wrote: > > > > If the original attempt failed at all, I w

Re: DIS: Poll: Abuse of Office

2019-01-20 Thread Timon Walshe-Grey
Is this the one where you initiate 500 trivial CFJs, assign them to yourself and judge them for Costume Conservatives favours? -twg ‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐ On Sunday, January 20, 2019 5:29 PM, D. Margaux wrote: > How annoyed would people be if I abused an office to exploit a

Re: DIS: oh dear

2019-01-17 Thread Timon Walshe-Grey
On Friday, January 18, 2019 1:06 AM, ATMunn wrote: > Things have been a bit busy for me irl recently, which is why I > haven't been Agora-ing as much recently. (Hijacking thread to mention that this is the case for me as well - I know there are multiple threads I haven't replied to

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: I realise this is extremely ridiculous, but

2019-01-16 Thread Timon Walshe-Grey
On Wednesday, January 16, 2019 12:48 AM, Kerim Aydin wrote: > Of course, if one of the Agorans is possessed of private information (e.g. a > code arranged with the resolver ahead of time, that e understands), this is > trivial to arrange, as it becomes "a typical Agoran with information X >

DIS: Re: BUS: I realise this is extremely ridiculous, but

2019-01-15 Thread Timon Walshe-Grey
On Tuesday, January 15, 2019 10:24 PM, D. Margaux wrote: > I cause L to point eir finger at twg for violating special relativity. In > particular, twg is the resolver, and in eir message e “reveal[ed] the Energy > a combatant is spending before both combatants have made their decisions” >

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: I realise this is extremely ridiculous, but

2019-01-15 Thread Timon Walshe-Grey
.) -twg ‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐ On Tuesday, January 15, 2019 9:55 PM, Timon Walshe-Grey wrote: > Oh gosh, that's brilliant. I wish I'd known about it, I'd have reused the > word. > > I have no idea what its implications are for this, though. Case law makes > everything m

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: I realise this is extremely ridiculous, but

2019-01-15 Thread Timon Walshe-Grey
: > On Tue, 2019-01-15 at 21:18 +0000, Timon Walshe-Grey wrote: > > > I act on behalf of Tenhigitsune to announce that e will spend rau > > Energy in Space Battle 0001, where "rau" is a word in twgese, which > > is a constructed language invented by me. (Oth

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: I realise this is extremely ridiculous, but

2019-01-15 Thread Timon Walshe-Grey
I see your Rule 2466/1 and raise you CFJ 3649. -twg ‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐ On Tuesday, January 15, 2019 9:41 PM, D. Margaux wrote: > > > > On Jan 15, 2019, at 4:18 PM, Timon Walshe-Grey m...@timon.red wrote: > > I act on behalf of Tenhigitsune to announce tha

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Assessor] Resolution of Proposals 8139-8141

2019-01-15 Thread Timon Walshe-Grey
lose), and has a working method to do so (private message to the resolver). But it would be cool if we could get the hashes working. I'll have a think about it. -twg ‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐ On Tuesday, January 15, 2019 6:56 PM, Kerim Aydin wrote: > > > On 1/15/2019 5:44 AM, Tim

DIS: Re: BUS: RIP

2019-01-15 Thread Timon Walshe-Grey
"And I'm joining you live from Agora's Lost and Found Department, where a large Spaceship has appeared in the central office, causing widespread damage. Projected casualties number in the dozens..." -twg ‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐ On Tuesday, January 15, 2019 6:28 PM, D. Margaux wrote:

DIS: Re: OFF: [Clork] House of Snerds

2019-01-15 Thread Timon Walshe-Grey
Oh dear, I'm not having a very good day for errors, am I. -twg ‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐ On Tuesday, January 15, 2019 3:05 PM, Gaelan Steele wrote: > > > > On Jan 15, 2019, at 5:47 AM, Timon Walshe-Grey m...@timon.red wrote: > > [ Clork's Notes - Not for Publication ]

Re: BUS: Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Treasuror] Forbes 500

2019-01-15 Thread Timon Walshe-Grey
posals that would create Clork and > > Astronomor yet. This isn't a CoE because that section is not self ratifying > > but it's still worth pointing out. > > -- > > Trigon > > On Mon, Jan 14, 2019, 14:33 Timon Walshe-Grey > > > > Date of this weekly report: 2019-01

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