Re: DIS: doing stuff?
Is there a judgement on that? There have been several times that a winner has taken it on themselves to pay before the announcement has been made, and I don't think anyone has protested that it failed? On 4/9/2019 7:43 AM, Gaelan Steele wrote: FWIW, my recollection from my SPOOKY scam is that noting cares about the end of an unction actually been announced. Gaelan On Apr 8, 2019, at 5:26 PM, Kerim Aydin wrote: On 4/8/2019 12:03 PM, James Cook wrote: I've just been busy, personally. Ya I totally meant to add the "just busy" option... When I have time I've been meaning to figure out what the rules say about the zombie auction I bid in that never was announced completed, so technically I'm not lacking for something to do. Hmm, it's in the last two paragraphs of Rule 2551: For each lot in the Auction, the winner of that lot is the player with the highest priority on the Auction who has not won any previous lot. If there are more lots than there are persons with non-withdrawn bids, the excess lots are not won by any person. The winner of a lot SHALL pay the Auctioneer the number of the Auction's currency equal to eir bid, in a single payment, in a timely fashion. When e does so, if the auctioneer CAN transfer the items in that lot to that winner at will, e immediately does so; otherwise, e SHALL do so in a timely fashion. This puts the burden on the highest bidder to pay "in a timely fashion". In a timely fashion from what? Probably from when the auction ends (automatically), not from the announcement. So this means you should have paid, and broke the SHALL by not paying, and the announcement doesn't affect that at all. But maybe that's wrong. And if you pay now, do you get the zombie? Dunno. In the last paragraph, in "When e does so", is the "does so" referring to (SHALL pay) or (SHALL pay [...] in a timely fashion)? I think the latter which means you wouldn't be able to pay now? That's not really ideal... -G.
Re: DIS: doing stuff?
FWIW, my recollection from my SPOOKY scam is that noting cares about the end of an unction actually been announced. Gaelan > On Apr 8, 2019, at 5:26 PM, Kerim Aydin wrote: > > > On 4/8/2019 12:03 PM, James Cook wrote: >> I've just been busy, personally. > > Ya I totally meant to add the "just busy" option... > >> When I have time I've been meaning to >> figure out what the rules say about the zombie auction I bid in that >> never was announced completed, so technically I'm not lacking for >> something to do. > > Hmm, it's in the last two paragraphs of Rule 2551: >> For each lot in the Auction, the winner of that lot is the player >> with the highest priority on the Auction who has not won any >> previous lot. If there are more lots than there are persons with >> non-withdrawn bids, the excess lots are not won by any person. >> >> The winner of a lot SHALL pay the Auctioneer the number of the >> Auction's currency equal to eir bid, in a single payment, in a >> timely fashion. When e does so, if the auctioneer CAN transfer the >> items in that lot to that winner at will, e immediately does so; >> otherwise, e SHALL do so in a timely fashion. > > This puts the burden on the highest bidder to pay "in a timely fashion". > > In a timely fashion from what? Probably from when the auction ends > (automatically), not from the announcement. So this means you should > have paid, and broke the SHALL by not paying, and the announcement doesn't > affect that at all. But maybe that's wrong. > > And if you pay now, do you get the zombie? Dunno. In the last paragraph, > in "When e does so", is the "does so" referring to (SHALL pay) or (SHALL pay > [...] in a timely fashion)? I think the latter which means you wouldn't > be able to pay now? > > That's not really ideal... > > -G. > smime.p7s Description: S/MIME cryptographic signature
Re: DIS: doing stuff?
> In a timely fashion from what? Probably from when the auction ends > (automatically), not from the announcement. So this means you should > have paid, and broke the SHALL by not paying, and the announcement doesn't > affect that at all. But maybe that's wrong. > > And if you pay now, do you get the zombie? Dunno. In the last paragraph, > in "When e does so", is the "does so" referring to (SHALL pay) or (SHALL pay > [...] in a timely fashion)? I think the latter which means you wouldn't > be able to pay now? > > That's not really ideal... The last event described in that rule before the sentence with "in a timely fashion" is the announcer announcing the end of the Auction. So I could argue "in a timely fashion" is after that happened. I did conditionally pay for Tarhalindur on March 16 (14:31 UTC). Is it in a timely fashion if I do it before the event? If the event never happens?
Re: DIS: doing stuff?
On 4/8/2019 12:03 PM, James Cook wrote: I've just been busy, personally. Ya I totally meant to add the "just busy" option... When I have time I've been meaning to figure out what the rules say about the zombie auction I bid in that never was announced completed, so technically I'm not lacking for something to do. Hmm, it's in the last two paragraphs of Rule 2551: For each lot in the Auction, the winner of that lot is the player with the highest priority on the Auction who has not won any previous lot. If there are more lots than there are persons with non-withdrawn bids, the excess lots are not won by any person. The winner of a lot SHALL pay the Auctioneer the number of the Auction's currency equal to eir bid, in a single payment, in a timely fashion. When e does so, if the auctioneer CAN transfer the items in that lot to that winner at will, e immediately does so; otherwise, e SHALL do so in a timely fashion. This puts the burden on the highest bidder to pay "in a timely fashion". In a timely fashion from what? Probably from when the auction ends (automatically), not from the announcement. So this means you should have paid, and broke the SHALL by not paying, and the announcement doesn't affect that at all. But maybe that's wrong. And if you pay now, do you get the zombie? Dunno. In the last paragraph, in "When e does so", is the "does so" referring to (SHALL pay) or (SHALL pay [...] in a timely fashion)? I think the latter which means you wouldn't be able to pay now? That's not really ideal... -G.
Re: DIS: doing stuff?
My activity in this game is very much reactionary. I generally only remember to do any of my duties if someone does something to remind me about them. That's why I haven't done much. -- Trigon On Mon, Apr 8, 2019, 13:51 Aris Merchant wrote: > I think the immediate cause of the current slowness is twg's > departure. The lack of proposal resolutions, in particular, has had a > large impact on gameplay. However, that's hardly a sufficient > condition for inactivity. I'm also busy IRL, which is why I haven't > been generating much activity of my own. I think the players have > become somewhat disengaged, for varying reasons, including those you > mentioned, which is why no one has picked up the slack. > > Making sure all of the reports get completed would be a start to > engaging the Agoran public. Proposal resolutions are especially > important; Promotor, Assessor, and Arbitor are the essential offices, > and having any of them vacant halts gameplay. If we could get at least > a basic level of activity going again, we would be in a better > position to receive new members who might bring in more ideas. > Historically, we get a bunch of registrations sometime around April > and May, but if the game is totally dead people may not join. > > -Aris > > On Mon, Apr 8, 2019 at 12:03 PM James Cook wrote: > > > > I've just been busy, personally. When I have time I've been meaning to > > figure out what the rules say about the zombie auction I bid in that > > never was announced completed, so technically I'm not lacking for > > something to do. > > > > On Mon, 8 Apr 2019 at 19:00, Kerim Aydin wrote: > > > > > > > > > ok, are we on pause because: > > > > > > (a) the person with every single gameplay office (twg) has gotten busy > or > > > whatever, no updates = no play; or > > > > > > (b) we're all bored of the current gameplay options and should think > of new > > > ones; or > > > > > > (c) more general Agora fatigue; or > > > > > > (d) with Notice. > > > >
Re: DIS: doing stuff?
I think the immediate cause of the current slowness is twg's departure. The lack of proposal resolutions, in particular, has had a large impact on gameplay. However, that's hardly a sufficient condition for inactivity. I'm also busy IRL, which is why I haven't been generating much activity of my own. I think the players have become somewhat disengaged, for varying reasons, including those you mentioned, which is why no one has picked up the slack. Making sure all of the reports get completed would be a start to engaging the Agoran public. Proposal resolutions are especially important; Promotor, Assessor, and Arbitor are the essential offices, and having any of them vacant halts gameplay. If we could get at least a basic level of activity going again, we would be in a better position to receive new members who might bring in more ideas. Historically, we get a bunch of registrations sometime around April and May, but if the game is totally dead people may not join. -Aris On Mon, Apr 8, 2019 at 12:03 PM James Cook wrote: > > I've just been busy, personally. When I have time I've been meaning to > figure out what the rules say about the zombie auction I bid in that > never was announced completed, so technically I'm not lacking for > something to do. > > On Mon, 8 Apr 2019 at 19:00, Kerim Aydin wrote: > > > > > > ok, are we on pause because: > > > > (a) the person with every single gameplay office (twg) has gotten busy or > > whatever, no updates = no play; or > > > > (b) we're all bored of the current gameplay options and should think of new > > ones; or > > > > (c) more general Agora fatigue; or > > > > (d) with Notice. > >
Re: DIS: doing stuff?
I've just been busy, personally. When I have time I've been meaning to figure out what the rules say about the zombie auction I bid in that never was announced completed, so technically I'm not lacking for something to do. On Mon, 8 Apr 2019 at 19:00, Kerim Aydin wrote: > > > ok, are we on pause because: > > (a) the person with every single gameplay office (twg) has gotten busy or > whatever, no updates = no play; or > > (b) we're all bored of the current gameplay options and should think of new > ones; or > > (c) more general Agora fatigue; or > > (d) with Notice. >
