Re: DIS: [Attn: Herald] Birthday Tournament Discussion

2020-06-07 Thread Alex Smith via agora-discussion
 On Sunday, 7 June 2020, 22:38:30 GMT+1, James Cook via agora-discussion 
 wrote:
> > Oh those are really pretty simple too, chess-level simple or simpler (with
> > some edge cases that come up as you go).
> 
> My experience learning Diplomacy was that the although rules are short
> and seem simple, I found out about new (to me) edge cases constantly.
> I love the game but I think the rule authors missed the mark somehow.
> Not that I know how to improve it.
> 
> (I don't mean to say the rules haven't been nailed down by now: I
> imagine the set of test cases at https://webdiplomacy.net/datc.php is
> probably complehensive.)

I think it might be possible to produce rules which are much simpler and have 
gameplay that, although different, has comparable complexity.

At a first guess, something along the lines of "each unit has an intended 
adjacent destination, if a unit intends to stay still it can support a move to 
an adjacent location (this support does nothing if any other unit tries to move 
to its location), if two units attempt to move to the same place the unit with 
lesser support is dislodged (both are if there's a tie), a dislodged unit must 
move back to its original square if possible, otherwise it attempts to move 
again from its original square and if the resulting square is contested the 
unit disbands". That's a huge simplification of army movement, and although it 
doesn't produce the same results as the official rules in all cases, I'd 
imagine it has a similar tactical depth.

The complex part is convoying, but even a simple rule like "a convoy attempt 
only succeeds if no attack on the convoy is attempted" might work well enough 
in practice (and is paradox-free).

-- 
ais523  


Re: DIS: [Attn: Herald] Birthday Tournament Discussion

2020-06-07 Thread James Cook via agora-discussion
> Oh those are really pretty simple too, chess-level simple or simpler (with
> some edge cases that come up as you go).

My experience learning Diplomacy was that the although rules are short
and seem simple, I found out about new (to me) edge cases constantly.
I love the game but I think the rule authors missed the mark somehow.
Not that I know how to improve it.

(I don't mean to say the rules haven't been nailed down by now: I
imagine the set of test cases at https://webdiplomacy.net/datc.php is
probably complehensive.)

- Falsifian


Re: DIS: [Attn: Herald] Birthday Tournament Discussion

2020-06-07 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion


On 6/7/2020 12:36 PM, ATMunn via agora-discussion wrote:
> 
> Remind me what an FRC is?
> 

Fantasy Rules Committee, which is a specialty nomic (specialty in that it
is limited to one core type of game play), that has been running longer
than Agora (currently as a google group).  Their rules are here:

https://sites.google.com/site/fantasyrulescommittee/regular-ordinances-of-the-frc

We ran a sped-up version here a couple times for the Birthday tournament
(2018 and 2019), most recently using these regulations:

https://mailman.agoranomic.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/agora-official/2019-August/013081.html

-G.



Re: DIS: [Attn: Herald] Birthday Tournament Discussion

2020-06-07 Thread ATMunn via agora-discussion

On 6/7/2020 2:03 PM, Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion wrote:



On 6/7/2020 10:49 AM, James Cook via agora-discussion wrote:

I like FRCs, and I have really enjoyed that in the past, but I also
think that we should try to be experimental with tournaments given the
limited frequency with which they occur. Diplonomic seems interesting,
and rules already exist for it, which we could modify to suit our
needs.

At BlogNomic, we've also recently been playing a side game of Rumble
(https://kevan.org/rumble.cgi?genre=hero=rules), which could also
be an interesting choice although that does use more private
information than we tend to like over here at Agora.


Some fleshed out game with a dash of Nomic (like Diplonomic or Rumble)
sounds fun.

I've enjoyed playing ordinary Diplomacy. I think one of my favourite
aspects is the lack of any enforcement of promises, and the
expectation of lying and backstabbing. I would find it interesting to
try to come up with rule changes that preserve this aspect.

- Falsifian



Full credit: the version I played was written and GM'd by Arkady English
(e was active in a couple nomics circa 2012, haven't heard from em in a
while)  I thought I had a copy of the old initial rules but can't find it,
but pretty easy to re-write.

It's really simple if you know Diplomacy:

1.  The Rules of diplomacy are numbered. A few are fixed (like the map
board to be used) but all the others are basically mutable.

2.  As part of your move orders, you submit one proposal to be voted on.
(my memory is the first thing we started doing is making units like
airplanes to add to armies/fleets, and opened Switzerland to passage).

3.  As part of subsequent move orders, you submit your votes on proposals,
which are resolved after moves are resolved.

So negotiating votes becomes part of negotiating everything else - and
still very, very backstabby!

I'd be willing to run this sometime regardless (requires a gamemaster in
this mode) but am definitely deferring to H. Herald Publius for the
birthday tournament.

-G.



This would be a lot of fun. +1


Re: DIS: [Attn: Herald] Birthday Tournament Discussion

2020-06-07 Thread ATMunn via agora-discussion

On 6/6/2020 10:54 PM, Aris Merchant via agora-discussion wrote:

On Sat, Jun 6, 2020 at 6:59 PM Publius Scribonius Scholasticus via
agora-discussion  wrote:





On Jun 6, 2020, at 21:51, Reuben Staley via agora-discussion <

agora-discussion@agoranomic.org> wrote:


I believe it's time to discuss this year's Birthday Tournament. We can

either do the FRC tournament as we have done in years past, or something
completely different. I made a proto-Tournament for an Arcadia-style game
about a year ago. Don't know if the Agoran Community would be interested in
something like that, but it's a possibility.


There's been a lot of list traffic recently, so I apologize for bringing

yet another thing up. If the H. Herald does not have time to coordinate a
Birthday Tournament, I, as the Speaker, would be fine setting things up.


To the rest of the public, what do you think? What sounds fun? Let's

talk.


--
Trigon


Thanks for the offer, but I am happy to handle it as usual. I’ve been
knocking around a few ideas, but I don’t have any particularly good ones
yet, so I’m very open to ideas. The only thought that I’ve had that I
thought was even worth sharing was some sort of academic tournament either
as a NaNoWriMo-style event for writing scholarship about Agora or as a
strai  competition for producing the best scholarship.


I see that R. Lee has proposed Flabby Bird. I don’t plan to run any
tournament in that format because it would require significant activity
off-list.



FRCs are always popular. I mention them because they and blitz nomic (that
was before my time) are the only birthday tournaments that I know of that
haven't totally flopped. It seems that Agorans like nomic, and the way to
get them involved is to create more nomic rather than something else. We've
done FRCs the last two years; maybe a blitz nomic?

-Aris



Remind me what an FRC is?


Re: DIS: [Attn: Herald] Birthday Tournament Discussion

2020-06-07 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion


On 6/7/2020 11:15 AM, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus wrote:
> On Sun, Jun 7, 2020 at 2:10 PM Kerim Aydin wrote:
>> On 6/7/2020 11:07 AM, Jason Cobb wrote:
>>> On 6/7/20 2:03 PM, Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion wrote:
 Full credit: the version I played was written and GM'd by Arkady English
 (e was active in a couple nomics circa 2012, haven't heard from em in a
 while)  I thought I had a copy of the old initial rules but can't find it,
 but pretty easy to re-write.

 It's really simple if you know Diplomacy:
>>>
>>>
>>> Well this sounds really fun. I guess it's time for me to learn the rules
>>> of Diplomacy...
>>>
>>
>> Oh those are really pretty simple too, chess-level simple or simpler (with
>> some edge cases that come up as you go).  The hard part for most people to
>> grasp is just how backstabby it really is, but I don't think Agorans will
>> have trouble figuring that one out ;)
>>
> 
> Reading the discussion, there seems to be significant interest in
> Diplonomic and it fulfills my basic criteria for what I was looking
> for, so unless anyone has strong objections, I think I will proceed
> with that for this year. I also think that Rumble and an FRC-style
> activity could be fun, but we've done FRC in the past, and we can
> always run intra-Birthday tournaments if we want. This coming week,
> I'm going to start assembling regulations based off of previous
> iterations of the Birthday Tournament and other versions of
> Diplonomic, but if anyone has any strong thoughts about how Diplonomic
> works best (particularly, if e's played it before), now would be a
> great time to share them.
> 

Happy to help write if you want (and will definitely proofread), but it's
pretty straightforward based on my previous email so I'm guessing you want
to do the first draft?  I think my only concern is that Diplomacy is
pretty strict in terms of the number of players (7 is ideal, fewer than 6
doesn't really work IMO, more than 7 and you need to play on an alt map)
and that has to be known before starting, so it's not as freely accessible
as "anyone can join in the first 48 hours".



Re: DIS: [Attn: Herald] Birthday Tournament Discussion

2020-06-07 Thread Publius Scribonius Scholasticus via agora-discussion
On Sun, Jun 7, 2020 at 2:10 PM Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
 wrote:
>
>
> On 6/7/2020 11:07 AM, Jason Cobb via agora-discussion wrote:
> > On 6/7/20 2:03 PM, Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion wrote:
> >> Full credit: the version I played was written and GM'd by Arkady English
> >> (e was active in a couple nomics circa 2012, haven't heard from em in a
> >> while)  I thought I had a copy of the old initial rules but can't find it,
> >> but pretty easy to re-write.
> >>
> >> It's really simple if you know Diplomacy:
> >
> >
> > Well this sounds really fun. I guess it's time for me to learn the rules
> > of Diplomacy...
> >
>
> Oh those are really pretty simple too, chess-level simple or simpler (with
> some edge cases that come up as you go).  The hard part for most people to
> grasp is just how backstabby it really is, but I don't think Agorans will
> have trouble figuring that one out ;)
>

Reading the discussion, there seems to be significant interest in
Diplonomic and it fulfills my basic criteria for what I was looking
for, so unless anyone has strong objections, I think I will proceed
with that for this year. I also think that Rumble and an FRC-style
activity could be fun, but we've done FRC in the past, and we can
always run intra-Birthday tournaments if we want. This coming week,
I'm going to start assembling regulations based off of previous
iterations of the Birthday Tournament and other versions of
Diplonomic, but if anyone has any strong thoughts about how Diplonomic
works best (particularly, if e's played it before), now would be a
great time to share them.


Re: DIS: [Attn: Herald] Birthday Tournament Discussion

2020-06-07 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion


On 6/7/2020 11:07 AM, Jason Cobb via agora-discussion wrote:
> On 6/7/20 2:03 PM, Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion wrote:
>> Full credit: the version I played was written and GM'd by Arkady English
>> (e was active in a couple nomics circa 2012, haven't heard from em in a
>> while)  I thought I had a copy of the old initial rules but can't find it,
>> but pretty easy to re-write.
>>
>> It's really simple if you know Diplomacy:
> 
> 
> Well this sounds really fun. I guess it's time for me to learn the rules
> of Diplomacy...
> 

Oh those are really pretty simple too, chess-level simple or simpler (with
some edge cases that come up as you go).  The hard part for most people to
grasp is just how backstabby it really is, but I don't think Agorans will
have trouble figuring that one out ;)



Re: DIS: [Attn: Herald] Birthday Tournament Discussion

2020-06-07 Thread Jason Cobb via agora-discussion
On 6/7/20 2:03 PM, Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion wrote:
> Full credit: the version I played was written and GM'd by Arkady English
> (e was active in a couple nomics circa 2012, haven't heard from em in a
> while)  I thought I had a copy of the old initial rules but can't find it,
> but pretty easy to re-write.
>
> It's really simple if you know Diplomacy:


Well this sounds really fun. I guess it's time for me to learn the rules
of Diplomacy...

-- 
Jason Cobb



Re: DIS: [Attn: Herald] Birthday Tournament Discussion

2020-06-07 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion



On 6/7/2020 10:49 AM, James Cook via agora-discussion wrote:
>> I like FRCs, and I have really enjoyed that in the past, but I also
>> think that we should try to be experimental with tournaments given the
>> limited frequency with which they occur. Diplonomic seems interesting,
>> and rules already exist for it, which we could modify to suit our
>> needs.
>>
>> At BlogNomic, we've also recently been playing a side game of Rumble
>> (https://kevan.org/rumble.cgi?genre=hero=rules), which could also
>> be an interesting choice although that does use more private
>> information than we tend to like over here at Agora.
> 
> Some fleshed out game with a dash of Nomic (like Diplonomic or Rumble)
> sounds fun.
> 
> I've enjoyed playing ordinary Diplomacy. I think one of my favourite
> aspects is the lack of any enforcement of promises, and the
> expectation of lying and backstabbing. I would find it interesting to
> try to come up with rule changes that preserve this aspect.
> 
> - Falsifian
> 

Full credit: the version I played was written and GM'd by Arkady English
(e was active in a couple nomics circa 2012, haven't heard from em in a
while)  I thought I had a copy of the old initial rules but can't find it,
but pretty easy to re-write.

It's really simple if you know Diplomacy:

1.  The Rules of diplomacy are numbered. A few are fixed (like the map
board to be used) but all the others are basically mutable.

2.  As part of your move orders, you submit one proposal to be voted on.
(my memory is the first thing we started doing is making units like
airplanes to add to armies/fleets, and opened Switzerland to passage).

3.  As part of subsequent move orders, you submit your votes on proposals,
which are resolved after moves are resolved.

So negotiating votes becomes part of negotiating everything else - and
still very, very backstabby!

I'd be willing to run this sometime regardless (requires a gamemaster in
this mode) but am definitely deferring to H. Herald Publius for the
birthday tournament.

-G.



Re: DIS: [Attn: Herald] Birthday Tournament Discussion

2020-06-07 Thread James Cook via agora-discussion
> I like FRCs, and I have really enjoyed that in the past, but I also
> think that we should try to be experimental with tournaments given the
> limited frequency with which they occur. Diplonomic seems interesting,
> and rules already exist for it, which we could modify to suit our
> needs.
>
> At BlogNomic, we've also recently been playing a side game of Rumble
> (https://kevan.org/rumble.cgi?genre=hero=rules), which could also
> be an interesting choice although that does use more private
> information than we tend to like over here at Agora.

Some fleshed out game with a dash of Nomic (like Diplonomic or Rumble)
sounds fun.

I've enjoyed playing ordinary Diplomacy. I think one of my favourite
aspects is the lack of any enforcement of promises, and the
expectation of lying and backstabbing. I would find it interesting to
try to come up with rule changes that preserve this aspect.

- Falsifian


Re: DIS: [Attn: Herald] Birthday Tournament Discussion

2020-06-07 Thread Publius Scribonius Scholasticus via agora-discussion
On Sat, Jun 6, 2020 at 10:54 PM Aris Merchant via agora-discussion
 wrote:
>
> On Sat, Jun 6, 2020 at 6:59 PM Publius Scribonius Scholasticus via
> agora-discussion  wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > > On Jun 6, 2020, at 21:51, Reuben Staley via agora-discussion <
> > agora-discussion@agoranomic.org> wrote:
> > >
> > > I believe it's time to discuss this year's Birthday Tournament. We can
> > either do the FRC tournament as we have done in years past, or something
> > completely different. I made a proto-Tournament for an Arcadia-style game
> > about a year ago. Don't know if the Agoran Community would be interested in
> > something like that, but it's a possibility.
> > >
> > > There's been a lot of list traffic recently, so I apologize for bringing
> > yet another thing up. If the H. Herald does not have time to coordinate a
> > Birthday Tournament, I, as the Speaker, would be fine setting things up.
> > >
> > > To the rest of the public, what do you think? What sounds fun? Let's
> > talk.
> > >
> > > --
> > > Trigon
> >
> > Thanks for the offer, but I am happy to handle it as usual. I’ve been
> > knocking around a few ideas, but I don’t have any particularly good ones
> > yet, so I’m very open to ideas. The only thought that I’ve had that I
> > thought was even worth sharing was some sort of academic tournament either
> > as a NaNoWriMo-style event for writing scholarship about Agora or as a
> > strai  competition for producing the best scholarship.
> >
> >
> > I see that R. Lee has proposed Flabby Bird. I don’t plan to run any
> > tournament in that format because it would require significant activity
> > off-list.
>
>
> FRCs are always popular. I mention them because they and blitz nomic (that
> was before my time) are the only birthday tournaments that I know of that
> haven't totally flopped. It seems that Agorans like nomic, and the way to
> get them involved is to create more nomic rather than something else. We've
> done FRCs the last two years; maybe a blitz nomic?
>
> -Aris

I like FRCs, and I have really enjoyed that in the past, but I also
think that we should try to be experimental with tournaments given the
limited frequency with which they occur. Diplonomic seems interesting,
and rules already exist for it, which we could modify to suit our
needs.

At BlogNomic, we've also recently been playing a side game of Rumble
(https://kevan.org/rumble.cgi?genre=hero=rules), which could also
be an interesting choice although that does use more private
information than we tend to like over here at Agora.


Re: DIS: [Attn: Herald] Birthday Tournament Discussion

2020-06-06 Thread Rebecca via agora-discussion
On Sun, Jun 7, 2020 at 12:54 PM Aris Merchant via agora-discussion <
agora-discussion@agoranomic.org> wrote:

> On Sat, Jun 6, 2020 at 6:59 PM Publius Scribonius Scholasticus via
> agora-discussion  wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > > On Jun 6, 2020, at 21:51, Reuben Staley via agora-discussion <
> > agora-discussion@agoranomic.org> wrote:
> > >
> > > I believe it's time to discuss this year's Birthday Tournament. We can
> > either do the FRC tournament as we have done in years past, or something
> > completely different. I made a proto-Tournament for an Arcadia-style game
> > about a year ago. Don't know if the Agoran Community would be interested
> in
> > something like that, but it's a possibility.
> > >
> > > There's been a lot of list traffic recently, so I apologize for
> bringing
> > yet another thing up. If the H. Herald does not have time to coordinate a
> > Birthday Tournament, I, as the Speaker, would be fine setting things up.
> > >
> > > To the rest of the public, what do you think? What sounds fun? Let's
> > talk.
> > >
> > > --
> > > Trigon
> >
> > Thanks for the offer, but I am happy to handle it as usual. I’ve been
> > knocking around a few ideas, but I don’t have any particularly good ones
> > yet, so I’m very open to ideas. The only thought that I’ve had that I
> > thought was even worth sharing was some sort of academic tournament
> either
> > as a NaNoWriMo-style event for writing scholarship about Agora or as a
> > strai  competition for producing the best scholarship.
> >
> >
> > I see that R. Lee has proposed Flabby Bird. I don’t plan to run any
> > tournament in that format because it would require significant activity
> > off-list.
>
>
> FRCs are always popular. I mention them because they and blitz nomic (that
> was before my time) are the only birthday tournaments that I know of that
> haven't totally flopped. It seems that Agorans like nomic, and the way to
> get them involved is to create more nomic rather than something else. We've
> done FRCs the last two years; maybe a blitz nomic?
>
> -Aris
>
original ideas are always good, surely there's something else kind of
nomic-like

-- 
>From R. Lee


Re: DIS: [Attn: Herald] Birthday Tournament Discussion

2020-06-06 Thread Rebecca via agora-discussion
On Sun, Jun 7, 2020 at 1:04 PM Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion <
agora-discussion@agoranomic.org> wrote:

>
> On 6/6/2020 7:54 PM, Aris Merchant wrote:
> > On Sat, Jun 6, 2020 at 6:59 PM Publius Scribonius Scholasticus wrote:
> >>> On Jun 6, 2020, at 21:51, Reuben Staley wrote:
> >>>
> >>> I believe it's time to discuss this year's Birthday Tournament. We can
> >> either do the FRC tournament as we have done in years past, or something
> >> completely different. I made a proto-Tournament for an Arcadia-style
> game
> >> about a year ago. Don't know if the Agoran Community would be
> interested in
> >> something like that, but it's a possibility.
> >>>
> >>> There's been a lot of list traffic recently, so I apologize for
> bringing
> >> yet another thing up. If the H. Herald does not have time to coordinate
> a
> >> Birthday Tournament, I, as the Speaker, would be fine setting things up.
> >>>
> >>> To the rest of the public, what do you think? What sounds fun? Let's
> >> talk.
> >>>
> >>> --
> >>> Trigon
> >>
> >> Thanks for the offer, but I am happy to handle it as usual. I’ve been
> >> knocking around a few ideas, but I don’t have any particularly good ones
> >> yet, so I’m very open to ideas. The only thought that I’ve had that I
> >> thought was even worth sharing was some sort of academic tournament
> either
> >> as a NaNoWriMo-style event for writing scholarship about Agora or as a
> >> strai  competition for producing the best scholarship.
> >>
> >>
> >> I see that R. Lee has proposed Flabby Bird. I don’t plan to run any
> >> tournament in that format because it would require significant activity
> >> off-list.
> >
> >
> > FRCs are always popular. I mention them because they and blitz nomic
> (that
> > was before my time) are the only birthday tournaments that I know of that
> > haven't totally flopped. It seems that Agorans like nomic, and the way to
> > get them involved is to create more nomic rather than something else.
> We've
> > done FRCs the last two years; maybe a blitz nomic?
> >
> > -Aris
> >
>
> Diplonomic (a combination of Diplomacy and nomic - backstabby!)
>
> Yeah I'd love to see a version of nomic combined with another game, as can
easily be done with nomic

-- 
>From R. Lee


Re: DIS: [Attn: Herald] Birthday Tournament Discussion

2020-06-06 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion


On 6/6/2020 7:54 PM, Aris Merchant wrote:
> On Sat, Jun 6, 2020 at 6:59 PM Publius Scribonius Scholasticus wrote:
>>> On Jun 6, 2020, at 21:51, Reuben Staley wrote:
>>>
>>> I believe it's time to discuss this year's Birthday Tournament. We can
>> either do the FRC tournament as we have done in years past, or something
>> completely different. I made a proto-Tournament for an Arcadia-style game
>> about a year ago. Don't know if the Agoran Community would be interested in
>> something like that, but it's a possibility.
>>>
>>> There's been a lot of list traffic recently, so I apologize for bringing
>> yet another thing up. If the H. Herald does not have time to coordinate a
>> Birthday Tournament, I, as the Speaker, would be fine setting things up.
>>>
>>> To the rest of the public, what do you think? What sounds fun? Let's
>> talk.
>>>
>>> --
>>> Trigon
>>
>> Thanks for the offer, but I am happy to handle it as usual. I’ve been
>> knocking around a few ideas, but I don’t have any particularly good ones
>> yet, so I’m very open to ideas. The only thought that I’ve had that I
>> thought was even worth sharing was some sort of academic tournament either
>> as a NaNoWriMo-style event for writing scholarship about Agora or as a
>> strai  competition for producing the best scholarship.
>>
>>
>> I see that R. Lee has proposed Flabby Bird. I don’t plan to run any
>> tournament in that format because it would require significant activity
>> off-list.
> 
> 
> FRCs are always popular. I mention them because they and blitz nomic (that
> was before my time) are the only birthday tournaments that I know of that
> haven't totally flopped. It seems that Agorans like nomic, and the way to
> get them involved is to create more nomic rather than something else. We've
> done FRCs the last two years; maybe a blitz nomic?
> 
> -Aris
> 

Diplonomic (a combination of Diplomacy and nomic - backstabby!)



Re: DIS: [Attn: Herald] Birthday Tournament Discussion

2020-06-06 Thread Aris Merchant via agora-discussion
On Sat, Jun 6, 2020 at 6:59 PM Publius Scribonius Scholasticus via
agora-discussion  wrote:

>
>
> > On Jun 6, 2020, at 21:51, Reuben Staley via agora-discussion <
> agora-discussion@agoranomic.org> wrote:
> >
> > I believe it's time to discuss this year's Birthday Tournament. We can
> either do the FRC tournament as we have done in years past, or something
> completely different. I made a proto-Tournament for an Arcadia-style game
> about a year ago. Don't know if the Agoran Community would be interested in
> something like that, but it's a possibility.
> >
> > There's been a lot of list traffic recently, so I apologize for bringing
> yet another thing up. If the H. Herald does not have time to coordinate a
> Birthday Tournament, I, as the Speaker, would be fine setting things up.
> >
> > To the rest of the public, what do you think? What sounds fun? Let's
> talk.
> >
> > --
> > Trigon
>
> Thanks for the offer, but I am happy to handle it as usual. I’ve been
> knocking around a few ideas, but I don’t have any particularly good ones
> yet, so I’m very open to ideas. The only thought that I’ve had that I
> thought was even worth sharing was some sort of academic tournament either
> as a NaNoWriMo-style event for writing scholarship about Agora or as a
> strai  competition for producing the best scholarship.
>
>
> I see that R. Lee has proposed Flabby Bird. I don’t plan to run any
> tournament in that format because it would require significant activity
> off-list.


FRCs are always popular. I mention them because they and blitz nomic (that
was before my time) are the only birthday tournaments that I know of that
haven't totally flopped. It seems that Agorans like nomic, and the way to
get them involved is to create more nomic rather than something else. We've
done FRCs the last two years; maybe a blitz nomic?

-Aris


Re: DIS: [Attn: Herald] Birthday Tournament Discussion

2020-06-06 Thread Jason Cobb via agora-discussion
On 6/6/20 9:59 PM, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus via agora-discussion
wrote:
> Thanks for the offer, but I am happy to handle it as usual. I’ve been 
> knocking around a few ideas, but I don’t have any particularly good ones yet, 
> so I’m very open to ideas. The only thought that I’ve had that I thought was 
> even worth sharing was some sort of academic tournament either as a 
> NaNoWriMo-style event for writing scholarship about Agora or as a strai  
> competition for producing the best scholarship. 

Hmm.. a scholarship contest sounds interesting, but I worry about it
resulting in some people's work not being recognized within a flood of
others. I think work should be judged based off of itself, not based on
comparison to other works published at the same time.


>
>
> I see that R. Lee has proposed Flabby Bird. I don’t plan to run any 
> tournament in that format because it would require significant activity 
> off-list.

+1 for things being on list


-- 
Jason Cobb



Re: DIS: [Attn: Herald] Birthday Tournament Discussion

2020-06-06 Thread Publius Scribonius Scholasticus via agora-discussion



> On Jun 6, 2020, at 21:51, Reuben Staley via agora-discussion 
>  wrote:
> 
> I believe it's time to discuss this year's Birthday Tournament. We can 
> either do the FRC tournament as we have done in years past, or something 
> completely different. I made a proto-Tournament for an Arcadia-style game 
> about a year ago. Don't know if the Agoran Community would be interested in 
> something like that, but it's a possibility.
> 
> There's been a lot of list traffic recently, so I apologize for bringing yet 
> another thing up. If the H. Herald does not have time to coordinate a 
> Birthday Tournament, I, as the Speaker, would be fine setting things up.
> 
> To the rest of the public, what do you think? What sounds fun? Let's talk.
> 
> -- 
> Trigon

Thanks for the offer, but I am happy to handle it as usual. I’ve been knocking 
around a few ideas, but I don’t have any particularly good ones yet, so I’m 
very open to ideas. The only thought that I’ve had that I thought was even 
worth sharing was some sort of academic tournament either as a NaNoWriMo-style 
event for writing scholarship about Agora or as a strai  competition for 
producing the best scholarship. 


I see that R. Lee has proposed Flabby Bird. I don’t plan to run any tournament 
in that format because it would require significant activity off-list.

Re: DIS: [Attn: Herald] Birthday Tournament Discussion

2020-06-06 Thread Rebecca via agora-discussion
On Sun, Jun 7, 2020 at 11:51 AM Reuben Staley via agora-discussion <
agora-discussion@agoranomic.org> wrote:

> I believe it's time to discuss this year's Birthday Tournament. We can
> either do the FRC tournament as we have done in years past, or something
> completely different. I made a proto-Tournament for an Arcadia-style
> game about a year ago. Don't know if the Agoran Community would be
> interested in something like that, but it's a possibility.
>
> There's been a lot of list traffic recently, so I apologize for bringing
> yet another thing up. If the H. Herald does not have time to coordinate
> a Birthday Tournament, I, as the Speaker, would be fine setting things up.
>
> To the rest of the public, what do you think? What sounds fun? Let's talk.
>
> --
> Trigon
>
how about flappy bird

-- 
>From R. Lee


DIS: [Attn: Herald] Birthday Tournament Discussion

2020-06-06 Thread Reuben Staley via agora-discussion
I believe it's time to discuss this year's Birthday Tournament. We can 
either do the FRC tournament as we have done in years past, or something 
completely different. I made a proto-Tournament for an Arcadia-style 
game about a year ago. Don't know if the Agoran Community would be 
interested in something like that, but it's a possibility.


There's been a lot of list traffic recently, so I apologize for bringing 
yet another thing up. If the H. Herald does not have time to coordinate 
a Birthday Tournament, I, as the Speaker, would be fine setting things up.


To the rest of the public, what do you think? What sounds fun? Let's talk.

--
Trigon