Re: DIS: Beginning of October Land Deletion Poll

2018-10-01 Thread Cuddle Beam
Oh nice, thanks. On Mon, Oct 1, 2018 at 6:30 PM Reuben Staley wrote: > Actually, if you don't mind, I'm going to promote my unofficial ruleset, up > to date as of August 3, 2018. Should have the relevant information. > > https://github.com/AgoraNomic/ruleset/blob/trigon/slr.txt > > On Mon, Oct 1

Re: DIS: Beginning of October Land Deletion Poll

2018-10-01 Thread Reuben Staley
Actually, if you don't mind, I'm going to promote my unofficial ruleset, up to date as of August 3, 2018. Should have the relevant information. https://github.com/AgoraNomic/ruleset/blob/trigon/slr.txt On Mon, Oct 1, 2018, 10:25 Cuddle Beam wrote: > I appreciate knowing that but I was wondering

Re: DIS: Beginning of October Land Deletion Poll

2018-10-01 Thread Cuddle Beam
I appreciate knowing that but I was wondering if you had a copy of the latest version of those rules because you seem to know what they are. On Mon, Oct 1, 2018 at 3:39 PM Kerim Aydin wrote: > > > We applied some patches in late July following the birthday tournament. > (the Rules worked for tha

Re: DIS: Beginning of October Land Deletion Poll

2018-10-01 Thread Kerim Aydin
We applied some patches in late July following the birthday tournament. (the Rules worked for that, but a CFJ pointed out the need for the patch). We read them pretty carefully and *think* they're ok and straightforward, but no one has tried one since then so ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ On Mon, 1 Oct 2018, Cu

Re: DIS: Beginning of October Land Deletion Poll

2018-10-01 Thread Cuddle Beam
How are the Tournament rules currently? On Mon, Oct 1, 2018 at 3:16 PM Kerim Aydin wrote: > > > On Sun, Sep 30, 2018 at 9:06 PM Alex Smith > wrote: > > What about this: we have repeated instances of a subgame each lasting a > > week or so, and some easy way to amend the rules of the subgame (ea

Re: DIS: Beginning of October Land Deletion Poll

2018-10-01 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Sun, Sep 30, 2018 at 9:06 PM Alex Smith wrote: > What about this: we have repeated instances of a subgame each lasting a > week or so, and some easy way to amend the rules of the subgame (easier > than a proposal; Oh, and by the way: this can be done without changing a single rule, it's ca

Re: DIS: Beginning of October Land Deletion Poll

2018-10-01 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Sun, 30 Sep 2018, Aris Merchant wrote: > On Sun, Sep 30, 2018 at 9:06 PM Alex Smith wrote: > > What about this: we have repeated instances of a subgame each lasting a > > week or so, and some easy way to amend the rules of the subgame (easier > > than a proposal; For me, the "perfect" game

Re: Economic Fees Poll (was Re: DIS: Beginning of October Land Deletion Poll)

2018-10-01 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Sun, 30 Sep 2018, Aris Merchant wrote: > Okay, poll for everyone: > > 1. Have you ever been involved in the economy because it was required > to take main game actions? > 2. If so, did you enjoy it? Yes. I've both enjoyed and not enjoyed. There were some (required to participate) that I

Re: Economic Fees Poll (was Re: DIS: Beginning of October Land Deletion Poll)

2018-10-01 Thread Cuddle Beam
> 1. Have you ever been involved in the economy because it was required to take main game actions? Yes. > 2. If so, did you enjoy it? It was pretty overwhelming, I was in ecstasy the whole time and it got hard to write because my eyes kept on rolling back and my drool got on the keyboard as my f

Re: Economic Fees Poll (was Re: DIS: Beginning of October Land Deletion Poll)

2018-09-30 Thread Alex Smith
On Sun, 2018-09-30 at 23:10 -0700, Aris Merchant wrote: > Okay, poll for everyone: > > 1. Have you ever been involved in the economy because it was required > to take main game actions? Yes, most notably in the more recent Cards era (it was also in theory necessary at some points in the Notes era

Economic Fees Poll (was Re: DIS: Beginning of October Land Deletion Poll)

2018-09-30 Thread Aris Merchant
Okay, poll for everyone: 1. Have you ever been involved in the economy because it was required to take main game actions? 2. If so, did you enjoy it? 3. Do you think that the game is better with or without this kind of fees? Please do your best to consider each question individually. -Aris On S

Re: DIS: Beginning of October Land Deletion Poll

2018-09-30 Thread Aris Merchant
Alright, here's where I am right now. Our current economy is just isn't working. It was a good attempt, an interesting attempt, and I very much appreciate it. However, it isn't working. If there were an obvious fix, we would have implemented it by now. Any fix would require a near total rewrite of

Re: DIS: Beginning of October Land Deletion Poll

2018-09-30 Thread Alex Smith
On Sun, 2018-09-30 at 22:32 -0700, Kerim Aydin wrote: > On Sun, 30 Sep 2018, Aris Merchant wrote: > > So, for instance, pending proposals and > > calling CFJs should always be free and unlimited, excluding abuse. > > What a limited view of a very small slice of game history this is. I think it he

Re: DIS: Beginning of October Land Deletion Poll

2018-09-30 Thread Aris Merchant
This view isn't based around history, it's based around my opinion. My opinion just disagrees with most of Agoran historical practice. However, this argument is orthogonal to my other points. -Aris On Sun, Sep 30, 2018 at 10:36 PM Kerim Aydin wrote: > > > > On Sun, 30 Sep 2018, Aris Merchant wrot

Re: DIS: Beginning of October Land Deletion Poll

2018-09-30 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Sun, 30 Sep 2018, Aris Merchant wrote: > So, for instance, pending proposals and > calling CFJs should always be free and unlimited, excluding abuse. What a limited view of a very small slice of game history this is.

Re: DIS: Beginning of October Land Deletion Poll

2018-09-30 Thread Aris Merchant
On Sun, Sep 30, 2018 at 8:47 PM Reuben Staley wrote: > > One possibility, which I've raised in the past, is that we could > > reimplement the politics system Alexis came up with last December. It > > looked like an sound system and was already starting to create > > interesting gameplay. It had a

Re: DIS: Beginning of October Land Deletion Poll

2018-09-30 Thread Aris Merchant
On Sun, Sep 30, 2018 at 9:06 PM Alex Smith wrote: > > On Sun, 2018-09-30 at 21:59 -0600, Reuben Staley wrote: > > One criticism of Agoran minigames is that it's too much like a board > > game where you're trying to let players join in halfway through a game > > and still have an equal standing. I

Re: DIS: Beginning of October Land Deletion Poll

2018-09-30 Thread Reuben Staley
On 09/30/2018 10:28 PM, Alex Smith wrote: On Sun, 2018-09-30 at 22:25 -0600, Reuben Staley wrote: That's actually a really cool idea. One thing, though, I think a week is too short. That would be as few as 0 and as many as 2, but generally 1 report per instance. Unless we decided to get rid of a

Re: DIS: Beginning of October Land Deletion Poll

2018-09-30 Thread Alex Smith
On Sun, 2018-09-30 at 22:26 -0600, Reuben Staley wrote: > That's actually a really cool idea. One thing, though, I think a week is > too short. That would be as few as 0 and as many as 2, but generally 1 > report per instance. Unless we decided to get rid of all weekly > Cartographor reports and

Re: DIS: Beginning of October Land Deletion Poll

2018-09-30 Thread Reuben Staley
That's actually a really cool idea. One thing, though, I think a week is too short. That would be as few as 0 and as many as 2, but generally 1 report per instance. Unless we decided to get rid of all weekly Cartographor reports and instead do a new report for each instance, which is just messy

Re: DIS: Beginning of October Land Deletion Poll

2018-09-30 Thread Alex Smith
On Sun, 2018-09-30 at 21:59 -0600, Reuben Staley wrote: > One criticism of Agoran minigames is that it's too much like a board > game where you're trying to let players join in halfway through a game > and still have an equal standing. I think that no matter what specific > assets we decided on,

Re: DIS: Beginning of October Land Deletion Poll

2018-09-30 Thread Reuben Staley
One criticism of Agoran minigames is that it's too much like a board game where you're trying to let players join in halfway through a game and still have an equal standing. I think that no matter what specific assets we decided on, that problem would still remain. Agoran Civilization would be

Re: DIS: Beginning of October Land Deletion Poll

2018-09-30 Thread Reuben Staley
On 09/30/2018 06:44 PM, Aris Merchant wrote: We can and have played for extended periods of time of time without a minigame. So, right off the bat, I'd like to note that that doesn't necessarily make Agora boring or mean that there isn't anything to do. I mean, we have stuff to do now, with pract

Re: DIS: Beginning of October Land Deletion Poll

2018-09-30 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Sun, 30 Sep 2018, Reuben Staley wrote: > We can rework the Arcadia rules. New assets, new map, new everything. I would > try to get back into the swing of things if the mechanics sounded interesting. So, as I mentioned a couple months back, I tried a couple times to draft something adding to

Re: DIS: Beginning of October Land Deletion Poll

2018-09-30 Thread Aris Merchant
We can and have played for extended periods of time of time without a minigame. So, right off the bat, I'd like to note that that doesn't necessarily make Agora boring or mean that there isn't anything to do. I mean, we have stuff to do now, with practically no players using the map. Sure, the game

Re: DIS: Beginning of October Land Deletion Poll

2018-09-30 Thread D Margaux
I would support a proposal to repeal the land rules and stop playing land. Even though I’ve been active in playing the map the past couple weeks, it just seems hard to think of any rule changes to make it meaningful. On Sun, Sep 30, 2018 at 8:24 PM Reuben Staley wrote: > Inevitably, the question

DIS: Beginning of October Land Deletion Poll

2018-09-30 Thread Reuben Staley
Inevitably, the question had to come up again: should we get rid of the land mechanics? Five months and some change have gone by so far and it really doesn't look like it's going to continue much longer. This has been heavily argued before (specifically, when Aris brought up the question a cou