Re: DIS: Draft: Crime Improvements v2

2017-10-11 Thread VJ Rada
If you're looking for an easy scam, I have just the agency for you... On Wed, Oct 11, 2017 at 6:57 PM, Cuddle Beam wrote: > *gasps for air* > > random message to keep self alive > > On Wed, Oct 11, 2017 at 7:42 AM, Alex Smith > wrote: >> >> On Wed, 2017-10-11 at 01:11 -0400, Owen Jacobson wrote:

Re: DIS: Draft: Crime Improvements v2

2017-10-11 Thread Cuddle Beam
*gasps for air* random message to keep self alive On Wed, Oct 11, 2017 at 7:42 AM, Alex Smith wrote: > On Wed, 2017-10-11 at 01:11 -0400, Owen Jacobson wrote: > > I gave up trying to decompose “breaking a pledge” for rules - they’re > > fundamentally subjective things, and trying to give them p

Re: ***UNCHECKED*** Re: DIS: Draft: Crime Improvements v2

2017-10-10 Thread Gaelan Steele
Maybe it’s irrational, but I really don’t like the lack of any platonic link to the text right now. Even if it comes down to the same thing, it feels very wrong in a nomic. Also, most pledge break punishments I’ve seen are completely CFJ-free. I’ve seen maybe one or two mooted CFJs relating to p

Re: DIS: Draft: Crime Improvements v2

2017-10-10 Thread Alex Smith
On Wed, 2017-10-11 at 01:11 -0400, Owen Jacobson wrote: > I gave up trying to decompose “breaking a pledge” for rules - they’re > fundamentally subjective things, and trying to give them platonic > effects unambiguously is probably impossible. If it’s going to come > down to a CFJ anyways, then usi

Re: DIS: Draft: Crime Improvements v2

2017-10-10 Thread Owen Jacobson
> On Oct 9, 2017, at 1:06 PM, Kerim Aydin wrote: > > > > Actually never mind, the new pledge rule makes it nearly impossible. > > Did we really just make it take Agoran consent to enforce pledges at all? > That completely neuters pledges if you ask me. Ugh. We did. I gave up trying to deco

Re: DIS: Draft: Crime Improvements v2

2017-10-09 Thread Aris Merchant
Good catch. -Aris On Mon, Oct 9, 2017 at 9:11 PM, Ørjan Johansen wrote: > On Sun, 8 Oct 2017, Aris Merchant wrote: > >> A person SHALL NOT deliberately, by eir explicit, positive, and >> restricted >> action aid, abet, or induce the violation of the rules by another person; >> when >> e does

Re: DIS: Draft: Crime Improvements v2

2017-10-09 Thread Ørjan Johansen
On Sun, 8 Oct 2017, Aris Merchant wrote: A person SHALL NOT deliberately, by eir explicit, positive, and restricted action aid, abet, or induce the violation of the rules by another person; when e does so, e commits the Class-3 Crime of Being an Accessory. A person never is never an accessor

Re: DIS: Draft: Crime Improvements v2

2017-10-09 Thread Publius Scribonius Scholasticus
I see multiple ones like G's. On 10/09/2017 10:38 AM, Alexis Hunt wrote: On Mon, 9 Oct 2017 at 10:28 Kerim Aydin > wrote: Not all that complex, though one must wait for the right circumstances. But the circumstances aren't too rare. We must have d

Re: DIS: Draft: Crime Improvements v2

2017-10-09 Thread Gaelan Steele
Feel free to copy my promise Agency. I considered making it attempt to ratify { π = 2 } instead of intentionally break a pledge; I’ll probably change it back to that before resolving. Gaelan > On Oct 9, 2017, at 10:06 AM, Kerim Aydin wrote: > > > > Actually never mind, the new pledge rule m

Re: DIS: Draft: Crime Improvements v2

2017-10-09 Thread Alexis Hunt
Ah, I hadn't thought of pledges. I had something crazier in mind. On Mon, Oct 9, 2017, 13:08 Kerim Aydin, wrote: > > > Actually never mind, the new pledge rule makes it nearly impossible. > > Did we really just make it take Agoran consent to enforce pledges at all? > That completely neuters pled

Re: DIS: Draft: Crime Improvements v2

2017-10-09 Thread Kerim Aydin
Actually never mind, the new pledge rule makes it nearly impossible. Did we really just make it take Agoran consent to enforce pledges at all? That completely neuters pledges if you ask me. Ugh. On Mon, 9 Oct 2017, Aris Merchant wrote: > It is if I can't find the paradox. I suspect that it's s

Re: DIS: Draft: Crime Improvements v2

2017-10-09 Thread Aris Merchant
It is if I can't find the paradox. I suspect that it's somewhere in the winning rule, as I'm messing with retroactivity, which tends to breed paradoxes. I can't find a way to force this specific text to produce a paradox though. -Aris On Mon, Oct 9, 2017 at 4:23 AM, Alexis Hunt wrote: > G. is sa

Re: DIS: Draft: Crime Improvements v2

2017-10-09 Thread Alexis Hunt
On Mon, 9 Oct 2017 at 10:28 Kerim Aydin wrote: > > > Not all that complex, though one must wait for the right circumstances. > But the circumstances aren't too rare. > We must have different scenarios in mind, then.

Re: DIS: Draft: Crime Improvements v2

2017-10-09 Thread Kerim Aydin
Not all that complex, though one must wait for the right circumstances. But the circumstances aren't too rare. On Mon, 9 Oct 2017, Alexis Hunt wrote: > Reading the proposal, I agree, it is possible to construct a paradox with it > as written. The circumstances required are > currently extremely

Re: DIS: Draft: Crime Improvements v2

2017-10-09 Thread Alexis Hunt
Reading the proposal, I agree, it is possible to construct a paradox with it as written. The circumstances required are currently extremely complex, however, our Paradox rule, when it existed, allowed a win for a hypothetical paradox, I believe, and there definitely is a concrete set of actions tha

Re: DIS: Draft: Crime Improvements v2

2017-10-09 Thread Alexis Hunt
G. is saying that your proposal has a paradox. I haven't read through it yet, but I don't think the correct response is to include a victory condition in your rule. On Mon, Oct 9, 2017, 00:58 Aris Merchant, < thoughtsoflifeandligh...@gmail.com> wrote: > On Sun, Oct 8, 2017 at 9:45 PM Kerim Aydin

Re: DIS: Draft: Crime Improvements v2

2017-10-08 Thread Aris Merchant
On Sun, Oct 8, 2017 at 9:45 PM Kerim Aydin wrote: > > > On Sun, 8 Oct 2017, Aris Merchant wrote: > > "If a person would otherwise win the game, but e, within the last > month, broke > > the rules to do so, or another person, within the last month, broke > the rules > > to help em win, with

Re: DIS: Draft: Crime Improvements v2

2017-10-08 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Sun, 8 Oct 2017, Aris Merchant wrote: > "If a person would otherwise win the game, but e, within the last month, > broke > the rules to do so, or another person, within the last month, broke the > rules > to help em win, with eir advance knowledge, and this fact is publicly > announc

DIS: Draft: Crime Improvements v2

2017-10-08 Thread Aris Merchant
Title: Crime Improvements v2 Adoption index: 3.0 Author: Aris Co-authors: Lines beginning with hashmarks ("#") and comments in square brackets ("[]") have no effect on the behavior of this proposal. They are not part of any rules created or amended herein, and may be considered for all game purpo