On Thu, 18 Jun 2020 at 17:36, Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
wrote:
> Minor discussion topic here.
>
> Right now, as evidenced by recent CFJ, the rules are in a slightly weird
> place in winning where sometimes you do a thing (Raise a Banner) that
> causes you to win, and sometimes what you do is "win by announcement" if
> certain conditions are met. These can break in different ways so the
> inconsistency may be frustrating. So, if we were to try to regularize
> this somehow, we could go "more direct" or "less direct".
>
> More direct: Winning is always an action, and everything is re-written as
> something like: "A Player CAN win by (some type of announcement, perhaps
> involving fees or other expenditures on the player's part, if conditions
> are met)." Implication here is that if someone tries to win, and
> conditions aren't met, nothing happens (e.g. if you paid a fee to win, but
> you have some blots, the fee isn't paid and you keep your money).
>
> Less direct: Something like ribbons: A player who performs certain
> actions "earns" the right to award emself a win (say for 7 days), but e
> can't actually do so if another rule says e can't win. So e can earn the
> win condition (say by a fee), expunge eir blots, and then actually award
> emself the win if e does it within the time limit. However, if e times
> out before e expunges eir blots, e doesn't get a win and eir fee is lost.
>
> We've had both ways in the past (either seems workable). No preference
> myself except that the current ambiguous middle-ground could use a push in
> one direction or the other?
>
> -G.
I don't have a strong preference but just directly winning does seem simpler.
Either way I think R2579 should be clarified so it's clear that a
fee-based win method doesn't make all other win methods also require
that fee.
I haven't reviewed this carefully, but here's a quick proto amendment to R2579:
--
Replace the first sentence with
If the Rules define payment of a set of assets (hereafter the fee
for the action; syns: cost, price, charge) as a method for performing
an action, that method is a fee-based method.
Replace "To perform a fee-based action" with "To use a fee-based method".
Replace "If the Rules define a fee-based action" with "If the Rules
define a fee-based method".
- Falsifian
