Re: DIS: On Deputisation

2019-09-05 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Thu, Sep 5, 2019 at 11:41 AM Jason Cobb  wrote:
>
> R2160 reads, in part:
>
> >A player (the deputy) CAN perform an action ordinarily reserved
> >for an office-holder as if e held the office if
> >
> >1. the rules require the holder of that office, by virtue of
> >   holding that office, to perform the action (this requirement is
> >   fulfilled by the deputy performing the action);
> >
> >2. it would be POSSIBLE for the deputy to perform the action,
> >   other than by deputisation, if e held the office;
> >
> >3. either (i) a time limit by which the rules require the action
> >   to be performed has expired or (ii) the office is vacant;
> >
> >4. either (i) the office is vacant, (ii) the aforementioned time
> >   limit expired more than fourteen days ago, or (iii) the deputy
> >   announced between two and fourteen days earlier that e intended
> >   to deputise for that office for the purposes of the particular
> >   action; and
> >
> >5. the deputy, when performing the action, announces that e is
> >   doing so by deputisation or by temporary deputisation
>
>
> I think this may allow deputisation for an office for a previous missed
> report, even if a report is later published.
>
> For example, say the Murderor SHALL publish a weekly report, and failed
> to do so one year ago. I think all of the conditions in R2160 would be
> fulfilled:
>
> 1. Yes, because the Murderor SHALL publish that report.
>
> 2. Yes, because the Murderor CAN publish a Murderor's weekly report
>
> 3. Yes, because the time limit for that missed week has still expired.
> The fact that a report was later published does not retroactively
> un-violate that time limit.
>
> 4. Yes, because the time limit to publish the missed report expired more
> than 14 days ago (again, this isn't retroactively un-violated).
>
> 5. Yes, trivially fulfilled.

I have also wondered this and I think it's a plausible reading.  I
think there's an old CFJ on the books that says "publishing a report
satisfies all previous duties to publish that report (though that
doesn't remove punishments for being late)".  But that's a vague
memory I'll have to go digging for, and it would have predated
deputisation.  -G.


DIS: On Deputisation

2019-09-05 Thread Jason Cobb

R2160 reads, in part:


   A player (the deputy) CAN perform an action ordinarily reserved
   for an office-holder as if e held the office if
   
   1. the rules require the holder of that office, by virtue of

  holding that office, to perform the action (this requirement is
  fulfilled by the deputy performing the action);
   
   2. it would be POSSIBLE for the deputy to perform the action,

  other than by deputisation, if e held the office;
   
   3. either (i) a time limit by which the rules require the action

  to be performed has expired or (ii) the office is vacant;
   
   4. either (i) the office is vacant, (ii) the aforementioned time

  limit expired more than fourteen days ago, or (iii) the deputy
  announced between two and fourteen days earlier that e intended
  to deputise for that office for the purposes of the particular
  action; and
   
   5. the deputy, when performing the action, announces that e is

  doing so by deputisation or by temporary deputisation



I think this may allow deputisation for an office for a previous missed 
report, even if a report is later published.


For example, say the Murderor SHALL publish a weekly report, and failed 
to do so one year ago. I think all of the conditions in R2160 would be 
fulfilled:


1. Yes, because the Murderor SHALL publish that report.

2. Yes, because the Murderor CAN publish a Murderor's weekly report

3. Yes, because the time limit for that missed week has still expired. 
The fact that a report was later published does not retroactively 
un-violate that time limit.


4. Yes, because the time limit to publish the missed report expired more 
than 14 days ago (again, this isn't retroactively un-violated).


5. Yes, trivially fulfilled.

--
Jason Cobb