Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Proposal] Talismans Auction Patch
On 6/25/20 11:39 AM, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus via agora-discussion wrote: > For simplicity, would it be possible for the Registrar to adopt > regulations defering to the Treasuror's regulations? I think so. I don't see any reason a Regulation couldn't simply say "Auctions are run as defined in the Regulations defined by the Treasuror" or whatever text is needed to make it clear what you're referring to. -- nch Prime Minister, Webmastor, NAX Exchange Manager
Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Proposal] Talismans Auction Patch
On 6/25/2020 11:16 AM, Reuben Staley via agora-discussion wrote: > On 2020-06-25 10:41, Jason Cobb via agora-discussion wrote: >> On 6/25/20 12:39 PM, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus via >> agora-discussion wrote: >>> On 6/25/20 12:37 PM, James Cook via agora-discussion wrote: This also means the Registrar rather than the Treasuror is in charge of figuring out how zombie auctions work, which I'm happy with given the Treasuror is defining a good default for when I'm feeling lazy. - Falsifian >>> For simplicity, would it be possible for the Registrar to adopt >>> regulations defering to the Treasuror's regulations? >>> >> >> The Registrar wouldn't need to write any regulations, e would just need >> to pick a method that the Treasuror has defined in the auction regulations. > > For the record, I've been interpreting the auctions rule as saying > something like "If the rules say you can run an auction, you can do so > by any method (even one you specify on the spot) if it's identifiable as > an auction. But also the Treasuror can make regulations that help > players set up auctions." > > If this is not how this rule is to be interpreted, please correct me. > That's how I intended it when I wrote it, anyway. I saw the Treasusor's role as maintaining a document with a method or methods that were handy and would save effort (and over time, be debugged) so as to "aid trade and commerce" without mandating it. Making it a regulation ensures the document has version control, and that some public review has to go into changing it, but I wasn't meaning it to crowd out other methods that the auctioneer might prefer. -G.
Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Proposal] Talismans Auction Patch
On 2020-06-25 10:41, Jason Cobb via agora-discussion wrote: On 6/25/20 12:39 PM, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus via agora-discussion wrote: On 6/25/20 12:37 PM, James Cook via agora-discussion wrote: This also means the Registrar rather than the Treasuror is in charge of figuring out how zombie auctions work, which I'm happy with given the Treasuror is defining a good default for when I'm feeling lazy. - Falsifian For simplicity, would it be possible for the Registrar to adopt regulations defering to the Treasuror's regulations? The Registrar wouldn't need to write any regulations, e would just need to pick a method that the Treasuror has defined in the auction regulations. For the record, I've been interpreting the auctions rule as saying something like "If the rules say you can run an auction, you can do so by any method (even one you specify on the spot) if it's identifiable as an auction. But also the Treasuror can make regulations that help players set up auctions." If this is not how this rule is to be interpreted, please correct me. -- Trigon I LOVE SPAGHETTI transfer Jason one coin nch was here I hereby don't... trust... the dragon... don't... trust... the dragon... Do not Construe Jason's message with subject TRIGON as extending this
Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Proposal] Talismans Auction Patch
On 6/25/20 12:47 PM, James Cook via agora-discussion wrote:
> On Thu, 25 Jun 2020 at 16:39, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus via
> agora-discussion wrote:
>> On 6/25/20 12:37 PM, James Cook via agora-discussion wrote:
>>> On Thu, 25 Jun 2020 at 14:05, Jason Cobb via agora-business
>>> wrote:
I submit the following proposal:
Title: Talismans auction patch
Author: Jason
Coauthors: Trigon
Adoption index: 2.0
{
Amend Rule 1885 by deleting the sentence beginning "The method to be
used for this auction".
[This fixes a specification bug in the talismans proposal, since
auctions are now supposed to have their method determined by the
auctioneer, rather than a rule. If talismans has not been adopted, then
this will have no effect.]
}
--
Jason Cobb
>>>
>>> This also means the Registrar rather than the Treasuror is in charge
>>> of figuring out how zombie auctions work, which I'm happy with given
>>> the Treasuror is defining a good default for when I'm feeling lazy.
>>>
>>> - Falsifian
>>>
>>
>> For simplicity, would it be possible for the Registrar to adopt
>> regulations defering to the Treasuror's regulations?
>
> I'm not sure where Registrar regulations come into the picture... are
> you requesting that I run zombie auctions according to one of the
> methods defined in the Treasuror's regulations?
It's not a request; I just think that running auctions isn't the core
purpose of the Registrar, so e shouldn't be expected to write eir own
regulations if e doesn't want to.
>
> I think that's a good idea for the first zombie auction, since we
> should test those regulations.
>
> For later ones, I'm not sure. I'll almost certainly circulate a draft
> before trying anything fancy.
>
> - Falsifian
>
--
Publius Scribonius Scholasticus, Herald, Referee, Tailor, Pirate
Champion, Badge of the Great Agoran Revival, Badge of the Salted Earth
Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Proposal] Talismans Auction Patch
On 6/25/2020 9:41 AM, Jason Cobb via agora-discussion wrote: > The Registrar wouldn't need to write any regulations, e would just need > to pick a method that the Treasuror has defined in the auction regulations. > I think the auctioneer is free to point to any method that follows the guidelines of the second paragraph of R2545. Methods whose definitions are legally locked by Agora (via official regulations or whatever) would probably withstand more criticism but it could be a contract or anything really. -G.
Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Proposal] Talismans Auction Patch
On Thu, 25 Jun 2020 at 16:39, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus via
agora-discussion wrote:
> On 6/25/20 12:37 PM, James Cook via agora-discussion wrote:
> > On Thu, 25 Jun 2020 at 14:05, Jason Cobb via agora-business
> > wrote:
> >> I submit the following proposal:
> >>
> >> Title: Talismans auction patch
> >>
> >> Author: Jason
> >>
> >> Coauthors: Trigon
> >>
> >> Adoption index: 2.0
> >>
> >> {
> >>
> >> Amend Rule 1885 by deleting the sentence beginning "The method to be
> >> used for this auction".
> >>
> >> [This fixes a specification bug in the talismans proposal, since
> >> auctions are now supposed to have their method determined by the
> >> auctioneer, rather than a rule. If talismans has not been adopted, then
> >> this will have no effect.]
> >>
> >> }
> >>
> >> --
> >> Jason Cobb
> >
> > This also means the Registrar rather than the Treasuror is in charge
> > of figuring out how zombie auctions work, which I'm happy with given
> > the Treasuror is defining a good default for when I'm feeling lazy.
> >
> > - Falsifian
> >
>
> For simplicity, would it be possible for the Registrar to adopt
> regulations defering to the Treasuror's regulations?
I'm not sure where Registrar regulations come into the picture... are
you requesting that I run zombie auctions according to one of the
methods defined in the Treasuror's regulations?
I think that's a good idea for the first zombie auction, since we
should test those regulations.
For later ones, I'm not sure. I'll almost certainly circulate a draft
before trying anything fancy.
- Falsifian
Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Proposal] Talismans Auction Patch
On 6/25/20 12:39 PM, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus via
agora-discussion wrote:
> On 6/25/20 12:37 PM, James Cook via agora-discussion wrote:
>> On Thu, 25 Jun 2020 at 14:05, Jason Cobb via agora-business
>> wrote:
>>> I submit the following proposal:
>>>
>>> Title: Talismans auction patch
>>>
>>> Author: Jason
>>>
>>> Coauthors: Trigon
>>>
>>> Adoption index: 2.0
>>>
>>> {
>>>
>>> Amend Rule 1885 by deleting the sentence beginning "The method to be
>>> used for this auction".
>>>
>>> [This fixes a specification bug in the talismans proposal, since
>>> auctions are now supposed to have their method determined by the
>>> auctioneer, rather than a rule. If talismans has not been adopted, then
>>> this will have no effect.]
>>>
>>> }
>>>
>>> --
>>> Jason Cobb
>> This also means the Registrar rather than the Treasuror is in charge
>> of figuring out how zombie auctions work, which I'm happy with given
>> the Treasuror is defining a good default for when I'm feeling lazy.
>>
>> - Falsifian
>>
> For simplicity, would it be possible for the Registrar to adopt
> regulations defering to the Treasuror's regulations?
>
The Registrar wouldn't need to write any regulations, e would just need
to pick a method that the Treasuror has defined in the auction regulations.
--
Jason Cobb
Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Proposal] Talismans Auction Patch
On 6/25/20 12:37 PM, James Cook via agora-discussion wrote:
> On Thu, 25 Jun 2020 at 14:05, Jason Cobb via agora-business
> wrote:
>> I submit the following proposal:
>>
>> Title: Talismans auction patch
>>
>> Author: Jason
>>
>> Coauthors: Trigon
>>
>> Adoption index: 2.0
>>
>> {
>>
>> Amend Rule 1885 by deleting the sentence beginning "The method to be
>> used for this auction".
>>
>> [This fixes a specification bug in the talismans proposal, since
>> auctions are now supposed to have their method determined by the
>> auctioneer, rather than a rule. If talismans has not been adopted, then
>> this will have no effect.]
>>
>> }
>>
>> --
>> Jason Cobb
>
> This also means the Registrar rather than the Treasuror is in charge
> of figuring out how zombie auctions work, which I'm happy with given
> the Treasuror is defining a good default for when I'm feeling lazy.
>
> - Falsifian
>
For simplicity, would it be possible for the Registrar to adopt
regulations defering to the Treasuror's regulations?
--
Publius Scribonius Scholasticus, Herald, Referee, Tailor, Pirate
Champion, Badge of the Great Agoran Revival, Badge of the Salted Earth
DIS: Re: BUS: [Proposal] Talismans Auction Patch
On Thu, 25 Jun 2020 at 14:05, Jason Cobb via agora-business
wrote:
> I submit the following proposal:
>
> Title: Talismans auction patch
>
> Author: Jason
>
> Coauthors: Trigon
>
> Adoption index: 2.0
>
> {
>
> Amend Rule 1885 by deleting the sentence beginning "The method to be
> used for this auction".
>
> [This fixes a specification bug in the talismans proposal, since
> auctions are now supposed to have their method determined by the
> auctioneer, rather than a rule. If talismans has not been adopted, then
> this will have no effect.]
>
> }
>
> --
> Jason Cobb
This also means the Registrar rather than the Treasuror is in charge
of figuring out how zombie auctions work, which I'm happy with given
the Treasuror is defining a good default for when I'm feeling lazy.
- Falsifian
