On Tue, 3 Sep 2019 at 01:44, Jason Cobb wrote:
> On 9/2/19 9:40 PM, James Cook wrote:
> > Claim of Error on the below report: Falsifian might have a spaceship
> > at the (future) time of the report.
> >
> > I'm blocking self-ratification because I tremble to think of what
> > "minimal modification" to the gamestate 9 hours ago would ensure that
> > this report will be as true and as accurate as possible next week. If
> > someone tries to take a Spaaace action in the meantime, perhaps the
> > minimal modification would be a tiny retroactive rules change to make
> > that action ineffective, thus preserving the correctness of the
> > report?
>
>
> It wouldn't be a minimal modification to the gamestate as of 9 hours ago.
>
>
> R1551:
>
> >When a public document is ratified, rules to the contrary
> >notwithstanding, the gamestate is modified to what it would be if,
> >at the time the ratified document was published, the gamestate had
> >been minimally modified to make the ratified document as true and
> >accurate as possible; however, if the document explicitly
> >specifies a different past time as being the time the document was
> >true, the specified time is used to determine the minimal
> >modifications.
>
>
> The report is ratified one week after it is published (because
> self-ratification). So, when it is ratified, it will specify that it was
> at "a different past time" (namely, what twg calls Judgement Day, which
> will be in the past a week after it was published). So, it can only
> retroactively modify up to one second of gamestate, at least in my
> understanding.
>
>
> --
> Jason Cobb
Hm, I think you're probably right, but the wording of R1551 confused
me for a while.
Including some text about why I got confused. I think it's reasonable
to ignore; including it since I had most of it written before I
convinced myself I'm wrong.
strongly consider ignoring the below... -
The following three times are involved in ratification:
* T0: In the new timeline, the time when the minimal modification happened.
* T1: In the new timeline, the time at which the document should be as
true and as accurate as possible.
* T2: The time the ratification occurs.
At T2, the gamestate is modified to what it would be if, at T0, the
gamestate had been minimally modified so that it's as true and as
accurate as possible at T1.
T0 and T1 default to the time of publication. Which of those times are
overridden by the "specified time"? R1551 says the specified time is
"used to determine the minimal modifications".
T1 is clearly used to determine the minimal modifications: the very
goal of those modifications is to affect the gamestate at T1.
It's less clear that T0 is "used to determine the minimal
modifications". It's certainly used to determine the other gamestate
modification: the big one that happens at the time of ratification.
Now I realize it must also be used to determine the modifications
themselves, simply because you won't know what needs modifying unless
you know the time at which the modification is taking place.
Of course, T0 and T1 are probably intended to be the same; otherwise
ordinary ratification of documents specifying past dates would be a
bit of a head-scratcher. It still might essentially have the same
effect: at time T0, the past is changed so that at T1 the document was
true. Since the past changed, the present is also changed, since no
intervening events would be inserted by a minimal change.
--
- Falsifian
