Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Distribution of Proposal 8177

2019-06-23 Thread Rebecca
Yes yes yes, fine. I also made an intended ratification just to be entirely sure; On Sun, Jun 23, 2019 at 3:03 PM James Cook wrote: > Nitpick: I believe the ratification you quote failed, but D. Margaux's > earlier Astronomor report did self-ratify, which is just as good. > > See the section

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Distribution of Proposal 8177

2019-06-22 Thread James Cook
Nitpick: I believe the ratification you quote failed, but D. Margaux's earlier Astronomor report did self-ratify, which is just as good. See the section "D. Margaux's attempt to ratify without objection failed." in my judgement of CFJ 3726 at https://faculty.washington.edu/kerim/nomic/cases/?3726

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Distribution of Proposal 8177

2019-05-20 Thread Kerim Aydin
On 5/20/2019 1:12 PM, James Cook wrote: I imagine there must be precedent where old rules defining entities have been re-enacted, and the players assumed no such entities existed immediately after the re-enactment. Maybe that's enough to favour the interpretation that no sectors exist when the

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Distribution of Proposal 8177

2019-05-20 Thread D. Margaux
> On May 20, 2019, at 4:31 PM, D. Margaux wrote: > > I intend without objection to ratify the following document as true at the > time 00:00 GMT on 20 May 2019: > > { For purposes of this document, “Politics Rules” and “Spaaace Rules” have > the meaning ascribed to those terms in Proposal

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Distribution of Proposal 8177

2019-05-20 Thread James Cook
> R217 covers this via the precedent initially set in CFJ 1500, asserts > that words go back to having their common language meaning when not > defined by the rules. Amusingly, CFJ 1500 covered the exact word > "politician" (and if we had to respect that ancient and entirely > different meaning,

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Distribution of Proposal 8177

2019-05-20 Thread Kerim Aydin
On 5/20/2019 10:31 AM, Kerim Aydin wrote:> On 5/20/2019 8:59 AM, James Cook wrote:>> I can't see anything other than the third>> paragraph of R1586 implying that a generic entity is destroyed when>> its defining rule goes away, and I don't think it applies in this case>> since this isn't an

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Distribution of Proposal 8177

2019-05-20 Thread Kerim Aydin
On 5/20/2019 8:59 AM, James Cook wrote: [* the rules must define a switch for it to exist, and a rule with no force or effect includes no force or effect for its definitions - note R1586 is only power-2 so this "no force or effect" clause would overrule R1586. So if the switch doesn't exist

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Distribution of Proposal 8177

2019-05-20 Thread James Cook
> [* the rules must define a switch for it to exist, and a rule with no > force or effect includes no force or effect for its definitions - note > R1586 is only power-2 so this "no force or effect" clause would overrule > R1586. So if the switch doesn't exist while the rule is suspended, it is >

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Distribution of Proposal 8177

2019-05-20 Thread Kerim Aydin
Actually, there's an interesting question - if the rules have "no force or effect" do they continue to define the entities, switches, etc.? I don't think they do[*], which would mean that when they came back into force the switches would be "newly created" and in default. [* the rules must

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2019-05-20 Thread D. Margaux
What if, by ratification, we reset all Spaaace and Politics switches to their default values before suspending? On Mon, May 20, 2019 at 8:08 AM Kerim Aydin wrote: > > I vote AGAINST 8177. > I act on behalf of Telnaior to vote AGAINST 8177. > > As commented earlier, I was knocked out of space