Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Whichcraft

2019-09-27 Thread Kerim Aydin



On 9/27/2019 5:09 AM, Timon Walshe-Grey wrote:
> Oh. Ok. I didn't expect it to be remotely controversial, just saw the
> "error" and thought I would do something. (shrug emoticon)

I was pondering why I reacted against this (where I was for the other
standardizations) and, looking online, I realized that grammar guides make
it clear that both are appropriate, and have rules for when to choose each.
So style guides will tell you when to use each, but make the point that
they're both correct depending on context (and useable within the same
document without being considered "inconsistent").

Now I'm guessing that most people (including myself) don't know these rules
explicitly, and either use them somewhat correctly by instinct/practice, or
just choose what "sounds right", but the point is (opposed to, say, random
capitalization styles where it's better to just pick one) both have their
use-cases.

-G.



DIS: Re: BUS: Whichcraft

2019-09-27 Thread Timon Walshe-Grey
Oh. Ok. I didn't expect it to be remotely controversial, just saw the "error" 
and thought I would do something. (shrug emoticon)

-twg

Sent from my mobile

 Original Message 
On 25 Sep 2019, 18:33, Kerim Aydin wrote:

> I object to all of the below intents. This crosses my line from
> "useful style guide" to "overly proscriptive". (and I tend to prefer
> "which").
>
> On Wed, Sep 25, [2019](tel:2019) at 6:20 AM Timon Walshe-Grey 
>  wrote:
>>
>> I intend, without objection, to clean Rule 107, "Initiating Agoran 
>> Decisions", by replacing the following:
>>
>> An Agoran decision is initiated when a person authorized to
>> initiate it publishes a valid notice which sets forth the intent
>> to initiate the decision
>>
>> with:
>>
>> An Agoran decision is initiated when a person authorized to
>> initiate it publishes a valid notice that sets forth the intent
>> to initiate the decision
>>
>>
>> I intend, without objection, to clean Rule [1607](tel:1607), "Distribution", 
>> by replacing the following:
>>
>> The Promotor CAN distribute a proposal which is in the Proposal
>> Pool at any time, by announcement.
>>
>> with:
>>
>> The Promotor CAN distribute a proposal that is in the Proposal
>> Pool at any time, by announcement.
>>
>>
>> I intend, without objection, to clean Rule [1681](tel:1681), "The Logical 
>> Rulesets", by replacing the following:
>>
>> The Full Logical Ruleset (FLR) is a format of the ruleset. In this
>> format, rules are assigned to the same category and presented in
>> the same order as in the SLR. The FLR must contain all the
>> information required to be in the SLR, and any historical
>> annotations which the Rulekeepor is required to record.
>>
>> The Rulekeepor SHOULD also include any other information which e
>> feels may be helpful in the use of the ruleset in the FLR.
>>
>> with:
>>
>> The Full Logical Ruleset (FLR) is a format of the ruleset. In this
>> format, rules are assigned to the same category and presented in
>> the same order as in the SLR. The FLR must contain all the
>> information required to be in the SLR, and any historical
>> annotations that the Rulekeepor is required to record.
>>
>> The Rulekeepor SHOULD also include any other information that e
>> feels may be helpful in the use of the ruleset in the FLR.
>>
>>
>> I intend, without objection, to clean Rule [2127](tel:2127), "Conditional 
>> Votes", by replacing the following:
>>
>> A conditional vote on an Agoran decision is a vote which indicates
>> a vote based on some condition(s).
>>
>> with:
>>
>> A conditional vote on an Agoran decision is a vote that indicates
>> a vote based on some condition(s).
>>
>> and the following:
>>
>> Any vote which is clearly expressed as a conditional, e.g. "FOR if
>>  is true, AGAINST otherwise", is a valid conditional vote that
>> evaluates as specified.
>>
>> with:
>>
>> Any vote that is clearly expressed as a conditional, e.g. "FOR if
>>  is true, AGAINST otherwise", is a valid conditional vote that
>> evaluates as specified.
>>
>>
>> I intend, without objection, to clean Rule [2327](tel:2327), "Read the 
>> Ruleset Week", by replacing the following:
>>
>> The first Agoran week each year which falls entirely in February
>> is Read the Ruleset Week. Agorans are encouraged to read the
>> ruleset during Read the Ruleset Week.
>>
>> with:
>>
>> The first Agoran week each year that falls entirely in February
>> is Read the Ruleset Week. Agorans are encouraged to read the
>> ruleset during Read the Ruleset Week.
>>
>>
>> I intend, without objection, to clean Rule [2422](tel:2422), "Voting 
>> Strength", by replacing the following:
>>
>> When multiple rules set or modify an entity's voting strength on
>> an Agoran decision, it shall be determined by first applying the
>> rule(s) which set it to a specific value
>>
>> with:
>>
>> When multiple rules set or modify an entity's voting strength on
>> an Agoran decision, it shall be determined by first applying the
>> rule(s) that set it to a specific value
>>
>>
>> I intend, without objection, to clean Rule [2472](tel:2472), "Office 
>> Incompatibilities", by replacing the following:
>>
>> A player is Overpowered if e holds two offices which are
>> incompatible with each other.
>>
>> with:
>>
>> A player is Overpowered if e holds two offices that are
>> incompatible with each other.
>>
>>
>> I intend, without objection, to clean Rule [2531](tel:2531), "Referee 
>> Accountability", by replacing the following:
>>
>> (1) it attempts to levy a fine on a person for an action or
>> inaction which e (more likely than not) did not commit;
>>
>> (2) it attempts to levy a fine for an action or inaction which
>> is not prohibited by the rules;
>>
>> (3) it attempts to levy a fine with a value that is blatantly
>> and obviously unsuited to the conduct which constitutes the
>> reason for its levy or to the person on whom it is being
>> levied;
>>
>> with:
>>
>> (1) it attempts to levy a fine on a person for an action or
>> inactio

DIS: Re: BUS: Whichcraft

2019-09-25 Thread James Cook
On Wed, 25 Sep 2019 at 13:17, Timon Walshe-Grey  wrote:
> I intend, without objection, to clean Rule 107, "Initiating Agoran 
> Decisions", by replacing the following:

But why? I hereby grumble vaguely about prescriptivist grammar, but do
not necessarily object.

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- Falsifian