Re: Fwd: DIS: Re: BUS: Zombie auction fix

2020-01-17 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 1/16/2020 6:42 PM, Alexis Hunt via agora-discussion wrote: > On Thu, 16 Jan 2020 at 21:39, Alexis Hunt wrote: > > maybe argue that > we should eliminate actions done other than by announcement I would like to keep (and in fact use more of) the "Notice" mechanism - I think it's convenient in

Re: Fwd: DIS: Re: BUS: Zombie auction fix

2020-01-17 Thread Timon Walshe-Grey via agora-discussion
ais523 wrote: > This strikes me as an almost identical situation to a rule stating that > a player CAN perform a given action, but not specifying a mechanism to > do so. I'm not up to date with our existing precedents on that, > though. I'm not altogether sure that it is, actually. R2545 says:

Re: Fwd: DIS: Re: BUS: Zombie auction fix

2020-01-16 Thread Aris Merchant via agora-discussion
On Thu, Jan 16, 2020 at 7:18 PM AIS523--- via agora-discussion wrote: > > On Thu, 2020-01-16 at 19:07 -0800, Aris Merchant via agora-discussion > wrote: > > You're half right. Regulated actions have been around forever, but > > after I ruled in my manifestly terrible opinion (TBH, a frustratingly

Re: Fwd: DIS: Re: BUS: Zombie auction fix

2020-01-16 Thread AIS523--- via agora-discussion
On Thu, 2020-01-16 at 19:07 -0800, Aris Merchant via agora-discussion wrote: > You're half right. Regulated actions have been around forever, but > after I ruled in my manifestly terrible opinion (TBH, a frustratingly > large portion of my opinions have been manifestly terrible) in CFJ > 3557 that

Re: Fwd: DIS: Re: BUS: Zombie auction fix

2020-01-16 Thread Aris Merchant via agora-discussion
On Thu, Jan 16, 2020 at 6:45 PM Jason Cobb via agora-discussion wrote: > > On 1/16/20 9:39 PM, Alexis Hunt via agora-discussion wrote: > > On Thu, 16 Jan 2020 at 19:38, AIS523--- via agora-discussion < > > agora-discussion@agoranomic.org> wrote: > > > >> On Thu, 2020-01-16 at 15:05 -0800, Kerim

Re: Fwd: DIS: Re: BUS: Zombie auction fix

2020-01-16 Thread Alexis Hunt via agora-discussion
On Thu, 16 Jan 2020 at 21:45, Jason Cobb via agora-discussion < agora-discussion@agoranomic.org> wrote: > I think I remember hearing that the concept of regulated actions was > created because a judge ruled the other way - the Rules say that someone > "CAN" do it (even if not providing a method),

Re: Fwd: DIS: Re: BUS: Zombie auction fix

2020-01-16 Thread Jason Cobb via agora-discussion
On 1/16/20 9:39 PM, Alexis Hunt via agora-discussion wrote: > On Thu, 16 Jan 2020 at 19:38, AIS523--- via agora-discussion < > agora-discussion@agoranomic.org> wrote: > >> On Thu, 2020-01-16 at 15:05 -0800, Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion >> wrote: >>> Now here we are a third time. Whatever we

Re: Fwd: DIS: Re: BUS: Zombie auction fix

2020-01-16 Thread Alexis Hunt via agora-discussion
On Thu, 16 Jan 2020 at 21:39, Alexis Hunt wrote: > On Thu, 16 Jan 2020 at 19:38, AIS523--- via agora-discussion < > agora-discussion@agoranomic.org> wrote: > >> On Thu, 2020-01-16 at 15:05 -0800, Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion >> wrote: >> > Now here we are a third time. Whatever we can say

Re: Fwd: DIS: Re: BUS: Zombie auction fix

2020-01-16 Thread Alexis Hunt via agora-discussion
On Thu, 16 Jan 2020 at 19:38, AIS523--- via agora-discussion < agora-discussion@agoranomic.org> wrote: > On Thu, 2020-01-16 at 15:05 -0800, Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion > wrote: > > Now here we are a third time. Whatever we can say about CFJ 3694, > > the judgement is suitably unintuitive

Re: Fwd: DIS: Re: BUS: Zombie auction fix

2020-01-16 Thread AIS523--- via agora-discussion
On Thu, 2020-01-16 at 15:05 -0800, Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion wrote: > Now here we are a third time. Whatever we can say about CFJ 3694, > the judgement is suitably unintuitive such that almost no one reading > the rules without this precedent/context thinks that zombie auctions > actually

Fwd: DIS: Re: BUS: Zombie auction fix

2020-01-16 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
nintuitive such that almost no one reading the rules without this precedent/context thinks that zombie auctions actually work... -- Forwarded message - From: Kerim Aydin Date: Sun, Jun 23, 2019 at 1:12 PM Subject: DIS: Re: BUS: Zombie auction fix To: Hi folks, I thought we'd done t

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Zombie auction fix

2019-06-23 Thread James Cook
Oops, thanks. I'll make sure the next Registrar report accounts for zombies being transferred. I think everyone but Rance collected their zombies. On Sun, 23 Jun 2019 at 20:11, Kerim Aydin wrote: > > > Hi folks, > > I thought we'd done this before, quite recently in fact (unless I'm >

DIS: Re: BUS: Zombie auction fix

2019-06-23 Thread Kerim Aydin
Hi folks, I thought we'd done this before, quite recently in fact (unless I'm misunderstanding the question!). CFJs 3693-3694 found that a zombie CAN be transferred as the result of an auction, under the current rules. The case arguments are kind of spread in Discussion, but here's a

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Zombie auction fix

2019-06-23 Thread James Cook
Maybe the best solution is your proposal and secure Master at power threshold 1 instead of 2. If we want auction rules to be able to govern zombies, it seems hacky to try to keep the power threshold above that rule's power. On Sun., Jun. 23, 2019, 10:41 James Cook, wrote: > That rule is only

DIS: Re: BUS: Zombie auction fix

2019-06-23 Thread James Cook
That rule is only power 1 and Master is secured at 2. 1885 (zombie auctions) is power 2. On Sun., Jun. 23, 2019, 10:08 Jason Cobb, wrote: > Maybe a more general fix would be in order for auctions? > > > { > > Amend Rule 2551 ("Action End") as follows: > > Amend the last paragraph to read: >

DIS: Re: BUS: Zombie auction fix

2019-06-23 Thread Aris Merchant
I’m not seeing anything to indicate that you’re submitting that as a proposal; if you want to, make sure you say so. -Aris On Sun, Jun 23, 2019 at 10:08 AM Jason Cobb wrote: > Maybe a more general fix would be in order for auctions? > > > { > > Amend Rule 2551 ("Action End") as follows: > >

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Zombie auction fix

2018-02-25 Thread ATMunn
right, I should know this, I wrote the rule... :P On 2/24/2018 10:38 AM, Kerim Aydin wrote: Auctioneer defaults to Agora (R2547). On Sat, 24 Feb 2018, ATMunn wrote: Unless I'm missing something, doesn't an Auctioneer have to be specified? On 2/24/2018 12:24 AM, Kerim Aydin wrote: I

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Zombie auction fix

2018-02-24 Thread Kerim Aydin
Auctioneer defaults to Agora (R2547). On Sat, 24 Feb 2018, ATMunn wrote: > Unless I'm missing something, doesn't an Auctioneer have to be specified? > > On 2/24/2018 12:24 AM, Kerim Aydin wrote: > > > > > > I submit the following Proposal, Zombie Lots, AI-2, co-author Aris, and > > pend it

DIS: Re: BUS: Zombie auction fix

2018-02-24 Thread ATMunn
Unless I'm missing something, doesn't an Auctioneer have to be specified? On 2/24/2018 12:24 AM, Kerim Aydin wrote: I submit the following Proposal, Zombie Lots, AI-2, co-author Aris, and pend it with shinies: -