Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Assessor] Resolution of Proposals 8146-8151
On 1/29/2019 8:48 AM, Timon Walshe-Grey wrote: > Oh, you're right. I didn't realise that second condition was a thing, I > don't think there's been a proposal with AI < 1 since I registered. I wondered if you missed that, it's pretty hidden and non-intuitive. There's really no benefit to having proposals with AI < 1, which is why you haven't seen them. There's sometimes a purpose to having Rules with Power < 1. Also, you asked before if the proposals would work? ITT they're broken in a trivially fixable way, because Rule Changes need to specify the order in which they occur - things like "All Rules are modified to X" don't work, but "All rules, in increasing numerical order, are modified to X" works - this is a fairly consistent CFJ interpretation of R105. (Because of the odd way in which the rule changes are applied here, a CFJ might have to wade through - "yes, these are rule changes as defined by R105. yes, R105 claims precedence over all rule changes so your claims of precedence need to be *above* power-3 to work - so yes, those precedents of interpreting R105 to require explicit rule change ordering apply.") -G.
Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Assessor] Resolution of Proposals 8146-8151
Oh, you're right. I didn't realise that second condition was a thing, I don't think there's been a proposal with AI < 1 since I registered. Revision to be published shortly - apologies for the confusion. -twg ‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐ On Tuesday, January 29, 2019 4:45 PM, Reuben Staley wrote: > 3 votes FOR and 12 votes... > > This satisfies the first condition for an AI majority decision (0.25 is > greater than 0.1) but not the second (0.25 is not greater than 1). > > > > Trigon > > On Tue, Jan 29, 2019, 09:34 Timon Walshe-Grey > > I resolve the Agoran Decisions to adopt each of Proposals 8146-8151 as > > follows. > > -twg > > > > SUMMARY > > > > > > > > This section self-ratifies. > > > > ID Author(s) Title Result > > > > -- > > > > 8146 twg Powerless Tangeloes ADOPTED > > 8147 twg Tangeloes Taking Precedence ADOPTED > > 8148 twg Powerful Tangeloes REJECTED > > 8149 twg, G. Bad Space Captaincy Legalisation ADOPTED > > 8150 twg, Trigon Sharing the Wealth Again REJECTED > > 8151 twg, G. With apologies to Michael Suber ADOPTED > > 5 ballots were cast on Proposal 8151, so Quorum on Agoran Decisions is > > now 3 except where otherwise stated. > > > > TALLY OF VOTES > > > > === > > > > This section does not self-ratify. > > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+ > > | 8146| 8147| 8148| 8149| 8150| 8151| > > > > > > ++-+-+-+-+-+-+ > > |AI | 0.1 | 0.1 | 3.0 | 1.0 | 1.0 | 1.0 | > > |Quorum | 5 | 5 | 5 | 5 | 5 | 5 | > > ++-+-+-+-+-+-+ > > |Aris | FFF | FFF | FFF | FFF | P | FFF | > > |G. 1b.| AAA | AAA | AAA | FFF | P | AAA | > > |Gaelan | AAA | AAA | AAA |+ P |+ P |+ P | > > |Murphy | AAA | AAA | AAA | FFF | P | FFF | > > |Trigon | AAA | AAA | AAA | FFF | P | FFF | > > ++-+-+-+-+-+-+ > > |FOR | 3 | 3 | 3 | 12 | 0 | 9 | > > |AGAINST | 12 | 12 | 12 | 0 | 0 | 3 | > > |Ballots | 5 | 5 | 5 | 5 | 5 | 5 | > > |Resolved |ADOP.|ADOP.|REJE.|ADOP.|REJE.|ADOP.| > > ++-+-+-+-+-+-+ > > Key: > > #b. Possesses # blots [-floor(#/3) voting strength] > > PM Prime Minister [+1 voting strength] > > Z Zombie > > > > - Extricated conditional > > x Inextricable conditional > > > > > > RIBBONS EARNED IN THIS RESOLUTION > > > > == > > > > This section is purely informational and does not self-ratify. > > Player Ribbon Proposal(s) > > > > (none) > > > > FAVOUR AWARDS > > > > == > > > > I award Favours in Parties as follows: > > Player Party No. For > > > > twg MLP 1 Adoption of Proposal 8146 > > Aris PLA 2 Voting on Proposal 8146 > > G. PLA 2 Voting on Proposal 8146 > > Gaelan PLA 2 Voting on Proposal 8146 > > Murphy PLA 2 Voting on Proposal 8146 > > Trigon PLA 2 Voting on Proposal 8146 > > twg MLP 1 Adoption of Proposal 8147 > > twg MLP 1 Adoption of Proposal 8149 > > twg MLP 1 Adoption of Proposal 8151 > > > > TEXT OF ADOPTED PROPOSALS > > > > == > > > > This section is purely informational and does not self-ratify. > > // > > ID: 8146 > > Title: Powerless Tangeloes > > Adoption index: 0.1 > > Author: twg > > Co-authors: > > Enact a new rule "The Tangelo Rule" (Power=0.1) with the following > > text: > > Tangelo. All rules begin with the word "Tangelo". This rule > > automatically repeals itself 10 days after it is enacted. > > // > > ID: 8147 > > Title: Tangeloes Taking Precedence > > Adoption index: 0.1 > > Author: twg > > Co-authors: > > If a rule named "The Tangelo Rule" exists, amend it by replacing the > > text "All rules" with "Rules to the contrary notwithstanding, all > > rules". > > // > > ID: 8149 > > Title: Bad Space Captaincy Legalisation > > Adoption index: 1.0 > > Author: twg > > Co-authors: G. > > Amend the Rule entitled "Space Battles" by changing the words > > "the combatants SHALL" to "the combatants SHOULD". > > Amend the Rule entitled "Space Battles" by removing the following > > paragraph: > > Failing to do so is the Class-2 Crime of Being a Bad Space Captain. > > // > > ID: 8151 > > Title: With apologies to Michael Suber > > Adoption index: 1.0 > > Author: twg > > Co-authors: G. > > Amend Rule 2593, "Space Battles", by replacing the word > > "non-combatant" with "active non-combatant player". > > //
DIS: Re: OFF: [Assessor] Resolution of Proposals 8146-8151
3 votes FOR and 12 votes... This satisfies the first condition for an AI majority decision (0.25 is greater than 0.1) but not the second (0.25 is not greater than 1). -- Trigon On Tue, Jan 29, 2019, 09:34 Timon Walshe-Grey I resolve the Agoran Decisions to adopt each of Proposals 8146-8151 as > follows. > > -twg > > > SUMMARY > > This section self-ratifies. > > IDAuthor(s) Title Result > > 8146 twgPowerless TangeloesADOPTED > 8147 twgTangeloes Taking PrecedenceADOPTED > 8148 twgPowerful Tangeloes REJECTED > 8149 twg, G.Bad Space Captaincy Legalisation ADOPTED > 8150 twg, TrigonSharing the Wealth Again REJECTED > 8151 twg, G.With apologies to Michael SuberADOPTED > > 5 ballots were cast on Proposal 8151, so Quorum on Agoran Decisions is > now 3 except where otherwise stated. > > > TALLY OF VOTES > > This section does not self-ratify. > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+ > | 8146| 8147| 8148| 8149| 8150| 8151| > ++-+-+-+-+-+-+ > |AI | 0.1 | 0.1 | 3.0 | 1.0 | 1.0 | 1.0 | > |Quorum | 5 | 5 | 5 | 5 | 5 | 5 | > ++-+-+-+-+-+-+ > |Aris| FFF | FFF | FFF | FFF | P | FFF | > |G. 1b.| AAA | AAA | AAA | FFF | P | AAA | > |Gaelan | AAA | AAA | AAA |+ P |+ P |+ P | > |Murphy | AAA | AAA | AAA | FFF | P | FFF | > |Trigon | AAA | AAA | AAA | FFF | P | FFF | > ++-+-+-+-+-+-+ > |FOR | 3 | 3 | 3 | 12 | 0 | 9 | > |AGAINST | 12 | 12 | 12 | 0 | 0 | 3 | > |Ballots | 5 | 5 | 5 | 5 | 5 | 5 | > |Resolved|ADOP.|ADOP.|REJE.|ADOP.|REJE.|ADOP.| > ++-+-+-+-+-+-+ > > Key: > #b. Possesses # blots [-floor(#/3) voting strength] > PM Prime Minister [+1 voting strength] > Z Zombie > + Extricated conditional > x Inextricable conditional > > > RIBBONS EARNED IN THIS RESOLUTION > > This section is purely informational and does not self-ratify. > >PlayerRibbonProposal(s) >------- >(none) > > > FAVOUR AWARDS > > I award Favours in Parties as follows: > >PlayerPartyNo.For >------- >twgMLP 1 Adoption of Proposal 8146 >Aris PLA 2 Voting on Proposal 8146 >G. PLA 2 Voting on Proposal 8146 >Gaelan PLA 2 Voting on Proposal 8146 >Murphy PLA 2 Voting on Proposal 8146 >Trigon PLA 2 Voting on Proposal 8146 >twgMLP 1 Adoption of Proposal 8147 >twgMLP 1 Adoption of Proposal 8149 >twgMLP 1 Adoption of Proposal 8151 > > > TEXT OF ADOPTED PROPOSALS > > This section is purely informational and does not self-ratify. > > // > ID: 8146 > Title: Powerless Tangeloes > Adoption index: 0.1 > Author: twg > Co-authors: > > > Enact a new rule "The Tangelo Rule" (Power=0.1) with the following > text: > > Tangelo. All rules begin with the word "Tangelo". This rule > automatically repeals itself 10 days after it is enacted. > > // > ID: 8147 > Title: Tangeloes Taking Precedence > Adoption index: 0.1 > Author: twg > Co-authors: > > > If a rule named "The Tangelo Rule" exists, amend it by replacing the > text "All rules" with "Rules to the contrary notwithstanding, all > rules". > > // > ID: 8149 > Title: Bad Space Captaincy Legalisation > Adoption index: 1.0 > Author: twg > Co-authors: G. > > > Amend the Rule entitled "Space Battles" by changing the words > "the combatants SHALL" to "the combatants SHOULD". > > Amend the Rule entitled "Space Battles" by removing the following > paragraph: > > Failing to do so is the Class-2 Crime of Being a Bad Space Captain. > > // > ID: 8151 > Title: With apologies to Michael Suber > Adoption index: 1.0 > Author: twg > Co-authors: G. > >
