Re: DIS: Re: Transitioning Agora off a Mailing List?
I think it might be a forum on something free like zetaboards. Or a subreddit, yeah. On Sun, Dec 24, 2017 at 1:19 AM, Cuddle Beam wrote: > To add to this, if Agora were to be born today instead of a mailing list, > in what format would it be? A subreddit? A Discord server? I feel like > people nowadays wouldn't consider making a new nomic as a mailing list > because of how obscure it is, which adds to my feeling that Agora should > probably upgrade. > > On Sat, Dec 23, 2017 at 3:16 PM, Cuddle Beam wrote: > >> Seeing how activity and Office-holders are waning, I'd like to know how >> people would feel about transitioning Agora off a Mailing List and onto a >> different kind of substrate. >> >> I personally find our mailing list-only system to be archaic and makes >> Agora's human cost to be even "playable" quite high, versus having a GNDT >> or something to handle tracking gamestate. >> -- >From V.J. Rada
Re: DIS: Re: Transitioning Agora off a Mailing List?
Once you've got it working, it's really easy to put it in the rules by adding a new method like: "if something CAN be done Via Interface, it is done by (using this interface)." On Sun, 24 Dec 2017, Cuddle Beam wrote: > I like the "accessible from mailing list" idea for a GNDT-like device. I'm > totally inexperienced with making email bots though but the idea seems > pretty clear: just state the action you'd want to do like if it was some > kind of spell or something lol, like: > > "Bot: CUDDLEBEAM makes a TRANSFER of 10 SHINIES to AGORA" > > The bot catches that and then updates itself accordingly. Probably even > replies to that with "Operation: Successful!" and a summary of the > balances. Pretty much an ATM lol. > > I've made chatbots before, so I'll try giving it a shot. I'd make it work > via Contract too, I love that shit. Lets me make and test rules/mechanics > without needing to prod into the ruleset. > > On Sun, Dec 24, 2017 at 12:13 AM, Kerim Aydin > wrote: > > > > > > > On Sat, 23 Dec 2017, Aris Merchant wrote: > > > GNDT = Generic Nomic Data Tracker, how BlogNomic tracks its gamestate > > with > > > no officers. Basically a web interface. > > > https://wiki.blognomic.com/index.php?title=New_Player_ > > Guide#What_is_the_GNDT.3F > > > > > > MOO = MUD, Object-oriented. A MUD based on a object oriented > > > database/programming language. > > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MOO > > > > > > MUD = Multi User Dungeon, an online multiplayer text based game, and the > > > precursor to modern MMORPGs. > > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MUD > > > > So if someone is really keen on switching to one of these systems, the > > way to do it is to actually implement it for something small but useful > > (e.g. the Agoran Credit Union or other subgame). Prove it works, and > > people might be convinced. We spend far far too much time in the > > planning stages (of anything), and the proof is in the implementation > > and debugging. Too many ideas die on the vine - so ideas of "switching > > all of Agora" in an abstract sense might spark a little discussion but > > generally don't lead very far. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
Re: DIS: Re: Transitioning Agora off a Mailing List?
I like the "accessible from mailing list" idea for a GNDT-like device. I'm totally inexperienced with making email bots though but the idea seems pretty clear: just state the action you'd want to do like if it was some kind of spell or something lol, like: "Bot: CUDDLEBEAM makes a TRANSFER of 10 SHINIES to AGORA" The bot catches that and then updates itself accordingly. Probably even replies to that with "Operation: Successful!" and a summary of the balances. Pretty much an ATM lol. I've made chatbots before, so I'll try giving it a shot. I'd make it work via Contract too, I love that shit. Lets me make and test rules/mechanics without needing to prod into the ruleset. On Sun, Dec 24, 2017 at 12:13 AM, Kerim Aydin wrote: > > > On Sat, 23 Dec 2017, Aris Merchant wrote: > > GNDT = Generic Nomic Data Tracker, how BlogNomic tracks its gamestate > with > > no officers. Basically a web interface. > > https://wiki.blognomic.com/index.php?title=New_Player_ > Guide#What_is_the_GNDT.3F > > > > MOO = MUD, Object-oriented. A MUD based on a object oriented > > database/programming language. > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MOO > > > > MUD = Multi User Dungeon, an online multiplayer text based game, and the > > precursor to modern MMORPGs. > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MUD > > So if someone is really keen on switching to one of these systems, the > way to do it is to actually implement it for something small but useful > (e.g. the Agoran Credit Union or other subgame). Prove it works, and > people might be convinced. We spend far far too much time in the > planning stages (of anything), and the proof is in the implementation > and debugging. Too many ideas die on the vine - so ideas of "switching > all of Agora" in an abstract sense might spark a little discussion but > generally don't lead very far. > > > > > > > > > > >
Re: DIS: Re: Transitioning Agora off a Mailing List?
On Sat, 23 Dec 2017, Aris Merchant wrote: > GNDT = Generic Nomic Data Tracker, how BlogNomic tracks its gamestate with > no officers. Basically a web interface. > https://wiki.blognomic.com/index.php?title=New_Player_Guide#What_is_the_GNDT.3F > > MOO = MUD, Object-oriented. A MUD based on a object oriented > database/programming language. > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MOO > > MUD = Multi User Dungeon, an online multiplayer text based game, and the > precursor to modern MMORPGs. > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MUD So if someone is really keen on switching to one of these systems, the way to do it is to actually implement it for something small but useful (e.g. the Agoran Credit Union or other subgame). Prove it works, and people might be convinced. We spend far far too much time in the planning stages (of anything), and the proof is in the implementation and debugging. Too many ideas die on the vine - so ideas of "switching all of Agora" in an abstract sense might spark a little discussion but generally don't lead very far.
Re: DIS: Re: Transitioning Agora off a Mailing List?
GNDT = Generic Nomic Data Tracker, how BlogNomic tracks its gamestate with no officers. Basically a web interface. https://wiki.blognomic.com/index.php?title=New_Player_Guide#What_is_the_GNDT.3F MOO = MUD, Object-oriented. A MUD based on a object oriented database/programming language. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MOO MUD = Multi User Dungeon, an online multiplayer text based game, and the precursor to modern MMORPGs. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MUD -Aris On Dec 23, 2017 2:53 PM, "Madeline" wrote: I wish I knew what these acronyms were. GNDT? MOO? On 2017-12-24 09:30, Kerim Aydin wrote: > > This conversation seems to happen every year or so. With the 25th > Anniversary coming up, it's worth another round of improvement on > the Agoranomic webpage IMO - yet again many of the reports there > are out of date, and the front page is fairly text heavy and not all that > text is useful. It would be nice to advertise a quarter century widely > and a nice look there would be helpful. > > But there's plenty of other nomics out there in different formats. > Every nomic (even face to face) bends to it's particular medium, and > this nomic is well-adapted to those who want to use this medium. > > That said, the spiritual home of this game is a MOO, and it might be > fun to have a MOO forum again sometime (though the last attempt > at that didn't get very far and for the same reasons a new one might > not). > > On Sat, 23 Dec 2017, Cuddle Beam wrote: > >> To add to this, if Agora were to be born today instead of a mailing list, >> in what format would it be? A subreddit? A Discord server? I feel like >> people nowadays wouldn't consider making a new nomic as a mailing list >> because of how obscure it is, which adds to my feeling that Agora should >> probably upgrade. >> >> On Sat, Dec 23, 2017 at 3:16 PM, Cuddle Beam >> wrote: >> >> Seeing how activity and Office-holders are waning, I'd like to know how >>> people would feel about transitioning Agora off a Mailing List and onto a >>> different kind of substrate. >>> >>> I personally find our mailing list-only system to be archaic and makes >>> Agora's human cost to be even "playable" quite high, versus having a GNDT >>> or something to handle tracking gamestate. >>> >>> >
Re: DIS: Re: Transitioning Agora off a Mailing List?
Nomic world was a MOO: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/MOO On Sun, 24 Dec 2017, Madeline wrote: > I wish I knew what these acronyms were. GNDT? MOO? > > > On 2017-12-24 09:30, Kerim Aydin wrote: > > > > This conversation seems to happen every year or so. With the 25th > > Anniversary coming up, it's worth another round of improvement on > > the Agoranomic webpage IMO - yet again many of the reports there > > are out of date, and the front page is fairly text heavy and not all that > > text is useful. It would be nice to advertise a quarter century widely > > and a nice look there would be helpful. > > > > But there's plenty of other nomics out there in different formats. > > Every nomic (even face to face) bends to it's particular medium, and > > this nomic is well-adapted to those who want to use this medium. > > > > That said, the spiritual home of this game is a MOO, and it might be > > fun to have a MOO forum again sometime (though the last attempt > > at that didn't get very far and for the same reasons a new one might > > not). > > > > On Sat, 23 Dec 2017, Cuddle Beam wrote: > > > To add to this, if Agora were to be born today instead of a mailing list, > > > in what format would it be? A subreddit? A Discord server? I feel like > > > people nowadays wouldn't consider making a new nomic as a mailing list > > > because of how obscure it is, which adds to my feeling that Agora should > > > probably upgrade. > > > > > > On Sat, Dec 23, 2017 at 3:16 PM, Cuddle Beam wrote: > > > > > > > Seeing how activity and Office-holders are waning, I'd like to know how > > > > people would feel about transitioning Agora off a Mailing List and onto > > > > a > > > > different kind of substrate. > > > > > > > > I personally find our mailing list-only system to be archaic and makes > > > > Agora's human cost to be even "playable" quite high, versus having a > > > > GNDT > > > > or something to handle tracking gamestate. > > > > > > > >
Re: DIS: Re: Transitioning Agora off a Mailing List?
I wish I knew what these acronyms were. GNDT? MOO? On 2017-12-24 09:30, Kerim Aydin wrote: This conversation seems to happen every year or so. With the 25th Anniversary coming up, it's worth another round of improvement on the Agoranomic webpage IMO - yet again many of the reports there are out of date, and the front page is fairly text heavy and not all that text is useful. It would be nice to advertise a quarter century widely and a nice look there would be helpful. But there's plenty of other nomics out there in different formats. Every nomic (even face to face) bends to it's particular medium, and this nomic is well-adapted to those who want to use this medium. That said, the spiritual home of this game is a MOO, and it might be fun to have a MOO forum again sometime (though the last attempt at that didn't get very far and for the same reasons a new one might not). On Sat, 23 Dec 2017, Cuddle Beam wrote: To add to this, if Agora were to be born today instead of a mailing list, in what format would it be? A subreddit? A Discord server? I feel like people nowadays wouldn't consider making a new nomic as a mailing list because of how obscure it is, which adds to my feeling that Agora should probably upgrade. On Sat, Dec 23, 2017 at 3:16 PM, Cuddle Beam wrote: Seeing how activity and Office-holders are waning, I'd like to know how people would feel about transitioning Agora off a Mailing List and onto a different kind of substrate. I personally find our mailing list-only system to be archaic and makes Agora's human cost to be even "playable" quite high, versus having a GNDT or something to handle tracking gamestate.
Re: DIS: Re: Transitioning Agora off a Mailing List?
This conversation seems to happen every year or so. With the 25th Anniversary coming up, it's worth another round of improvement on the Agoranomic webpage IMO - yet again many of the reports there are out of date, and the front page is fairly text heavy and not all that text is useful. It would be nice to advertise a quarter century widely and a nice look there would be helpful. But there's plenty of other nomics out there in different formats. Every nomic (even face to face) bends to it's particular medium, and this nomic is well-adapted to those who want to use this medium. That said, the spiritual home of this game is a MOO, and it might be fun to have a MOO forum again sometime (though the last attempt at that didn't get very far and for the same reasons a new one might not). On Sat, 23 Dec 2017, Cuddle Beam wrote: > To add to this, if Agora were to be born today instead of a mailing list, > in what format would it be? A subreddit? A Discord server? I feel like > people nowadays wouldn't consider making a new nomic as a mailing list > because of how obscure it is, which adds to my feeling that Agora should > probably upgrade. > > On Sat, Dec 23, 2017 at 3:16 PM, Cuddle Beam wrote: > > > Seeing how activity and Office-holders are waning, I'd like to know how > > people would feel about transitioning Agora off a Mailing List and onto a > > different kind of substrate. > > > > I personally find our mailing list-only system to be archaic and makes > > Agora's human cost to be even "playable" quite high, versus having a GNDT > > or something to handle tracking gamestate. > > >
Re: DIS: Re: Transitioning Agora off a Mailing List?
I started a comic two years ago on a mailing list. Publius Scribonius Scholasticus p.scribonius.scholasti...@gmail.com > On Dec 23, 2017, at 9:19 AM, Cuddle Beam wrote: > > To add to this, if Agora were to be born today instead of a mailing list, > in what format would it be? A subreddit? A Discord server? I feel like > people nowadays wouldn't consider making a new nomic as a mailing list > because of how obscure it is, which adds to my feeling that Agora should > probably upgrade. > > On Sat, Dec 23, 2017 at 3:16 PM, Cuddle Beam wrote: > >> Seeing how activity and Office-holders are waning, I'd like to know how >> people would feel about transitioning Agora off a Mailing List and onto a >> different kind of substrate. >> >> I personally find our mailing list-only system to be archaic and makes >> Agora's human cost to be even "playable" quite high, versus having a GNDT >> or something to handle tracking gamestate. >> signature.asc Description: Message signed with OpenPGP
DIS: Re: Transitioning Agora off a Mailing List?
To add to this, if Agora were to be born today instead of a mailing list, in what format would it be? A subreddit? A Discord server? I feel like people nowadays wouldn't consider making a new nomic as a mailing list because of how obscure it is, which adds to my feeling that Agora should probably upgrade. On Sat, Dec 23, 2017 at 3:16 PM, Cuddle Beam wrote: > Seeing how activity and Office-holders are waning, I'd like to know how > people would feel about transitioning Agora off a Mailing List and onto a > different kind of substrate. > > I personally find our mailing list-only system to be archaic and makes > Agora's human cost to be even "playable" quite high, versus having a GNDT > or something to handle tracking gamestate. >
