DIS: Draft contract for playing chess on the map

2018-06-21 Thread Timon Walshe-Grey
I hadn't really paid much attention to contracts before the discussion last week, but I figured it would be fun to enter V.J. Rada's competition, if only for practice with writing legalistic documents. (I get the impression that subgames like this are probably better suited to actual rules, or

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: idk

2018-08-02 Thread Timon Walshe-Grey
Yes and yes, so unfortunately you can't start auctions by contract any more. Not that that would necessarily be the best method, anyway - I imagine you wouldn't have any use for the funds you'd collect. Perhaps some sort of lottery (making a pledge to choose the winner fairly)? If it helps, I

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Assessor] Humiliating Public Reminder to Vote on Proposals 8077-8081

2018-08-02 Thread Timon Walshe-Grey
ady voted. > > -- > > Publius Scribonius Scholasticus > > On Thu, Aug 2, 2018 at 6:34 PM Timon Walshe-Grey m...@timon.red wrote: > > > Quorum on the Agoran Decisions to adopt Proposals 8077-8081 is 14.0, but > > there are only 6 valid ballo

Re: Fwd: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Distribution of Proposals 8066-8077

2018-08-03 Thread Timon Walshe-Grey
Ah, I see the confusion now - this is in fact the previous batch of proposals (8066-8076, not 8077-8081). Sorry. -twg ‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐ On August 3, 2018 10:58 AM, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus wrote: > AttPF > > Begin forwarded message: > > > From: Publius Scribonius

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Cartographor] Land auctions -- July week 4

2018-07-29 Thread Timon Walshe-Grey
Worth a try! I bid 118 coins in each of Auctions 2-5. -twg ‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐ On July 29, 2018 9:03 PM, Corona wrote: > I bid 80 coins in each of Auctions 2-5. > > On Sunday, July 29, 2018, Timon Walshe-Grey m...@timon.red wrote: > > > I withdraw my bids on ea

Re: BUS: Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Assessor] Humiliating Public Reminder

2018-07-26 Thread Timon Walshe-Grey
NttPF, not that it actually makes any difference to anything now anyway. -twg ‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐ On July 26, 2018 9:06 PM, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus wrote: > I hereby ratify the following document, having received no objection, > as intended: > { > The quorum on each of

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: removing a blot

2018-07-27 Thread Timon Walshe-Grey
V.J. Rada didn't vote in the most recently resolved batch of proposals, and all the ones before that have self-ratified already, so there is no effect on proposals. Don't know what it means for officer elections, though - Murphy can probably say more definitively. -twg ‐‐‐ Original

DIS: Re: BUS: upkeep

2018-07-26 Thread Timon Walshe-Grey
Proposal 8072 changes processing facilities' upkeep costs from 3 coins to 3 steel. We really need a Rulekeepor, don't we. -twg ‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐ On July 26, 2018 9:20 PM, Kerim Aydin wrote: > > > I pay the following upkeep costs for the indicated facilities: > > > E (+3, -2)

DIS: Re: BUS: Revamping movement

2018-07-31 Thread Timon Walshe-Grey
Doesn't include G.'s land grants (proposal 8064). Also, may I suggest allowing people to destroy apples and corn to increase _any player's_ EP? Makes zombie movement less of a faff. -twg ‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐ On July 31, 2018 11:16 PM, Reuben Staley wrote: > This is something

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Revamping movement

2018-08-04 Thread Timon Walshe-Grey
s not staked a land > claim in the current month, and has not won a land auction in > the current or previous month. When e stakes a land claim, the > unit's land type is set to the land type of eir choice, then is > transferred to em, then e moves onto that unit. > > O

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Revamping movement

2018-08-04 Thread Timon Walshe-Grey
Sorry, only just noticed this - you changed "force-feed" to "feed" in one place but missed the other occurrence. -twg ‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐ On August 4, 2018 5:16 PM, Reuben Staley wrote: > I feel I've given ample time to submit notes on this version. > > I withdraw my proposal

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Cartographor] Land auctions -- July week 4

2018-08-01 Thread Timon Walshe-Grey
‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐ On August 1, 2018 5:17 PM, Corona wrote: > Wait... aren't zombies banned from bidding? How does this work? > > On Wednesday, August 1, 2018, Timon Walshe-Grey m...@timon.red wrote: > > > On July 30, 2018 9:45 PM, Timon Walshe-Grey m.

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] [RWO] Routine Worst-Case Cleanup

2018-08-08 Thread Timon Walshe-Grey
Actually, the previous batch was resolved _after_ this batch was distributed, so I believe quorum is only 5 at the moment. It will be higher (at least 7) when the current batch is resolved. -twg ‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐ On August 8, 2018 7:51 AM, Kerim Aydin wrote: > > > The old

DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal vote

2018-08-13 Thread Timon Walshe-Grey
In hindsight, I should have phrased that to say "the most recent Agoran Decisions to adopt each of proposals 8077-8081". Oh well. -twg ‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐ On August 13, 2018 8:15 PM, Kerim Aydin wrote: > > > I vote FOR proposal 8085.

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: CFJ on Distribution of Proposals 8077A-8088

2018-08-13 Thread Timon Walshe-Grey
I noticed that too. I rather suspect that, in a previous iteration of the rules, gratuitous arguments were something the rules said people COULD submit; and the old-timers are all used to that system and send them to the public forum by force of habit. I don't have any arguments to add myself.

DIS: Re: BUS: Case Assignment Request

2018-08-12 Thread Timon Walshe-Grey
If you wait another ~24 hours to assign a judgement, the last Treasuror report will self-ratify your facilities into existence regardless of the outcome of the case, and you won't have a conflict of interest any more. -twg ‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐ On August 12, 2018 7:20 AM, Aris

DIS: Fw: Re: BUS: Case Assignment Request

2018-08-12 Thread Timon Walshe-Grey
This time, not only did I not get the confirmation email, but it hasn't shown up on mail-archive.com either... Hmm. Please confirm if you receive this via DIS (I'm sending it directly to Aris as well). -twg ‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐ On August 12, 2018 8:08 AM, Timon Walshe-Grey wrote

Re: DIS: [Promotor] Draft Report

2018-08-10 Thread Timon Walshe-Grey
In the full-text-of-proposals section, proposal 8085's title is incorrect. Also, you missed the proposal Kenyon submitted here: https://www.mail-archive.com/agora-business@agoranomic.org/msg32486.html Otherwise, it looks good to me! -twg ‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐ On August 10, 2018

DIS: Re: BUS: [Promotor] Pool Cleanup

2018-08-10 Thread Timon Walshe-Grey
Sorry. I did mean to go over these again but haven't got around to it yet. If I were to resubmit them they would probably have slightly amended text anyway. -twg ‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐ On August 10, 2018 5:41 AM, Aris Merchant wrote: > As Promotor, I remove the following

DIS: Re: BUS: [Proposal] Even Freer Proposals

2018-08-10 Thread Timon Walshe-Grey
Yeah, even worse, I've found myself panicking because I _haven't_ counted the proposals I'm pending and can't remember how many I have left. (This was another reason for submitting things via Kenyon.) I would vote FOR this in its current state, but I would prefer it if the class of the crime

Re: DIS: Land Win Condition

2018-08-20 Thread Timon Walshe-Grey
. Of course, I suppose we could always remove the definition as a switch for now, for simplicity, and re-add it in the event that such an occasion does arise. -twg ‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐ On August 20, 2018 3:10 AM, Alex Smith wrote: > On Sun, 2018-08-19 at 20:29 +0000, Timon Wal

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Distribution of Proposals 8077A-8088

2018-08-23 Thread Timon Walshe-Grey
Thank you! However, your attempt to vote PRESENT on proposal 8086 is INEFFECTIVE because proposal 8086 never existed due to a mistake in a Promotor report. Its replacement is proposal 8089. Quorum update: ID Voting endsTitleUnder quorum

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Distribution of Proposals 8077A-8088

2018-08-23 Thread Timon Walshe-Grey
Thank you! However, your attempt to vote PRESENT on proposal 8086 is INEFFECTIVE because proposal 8086 never existed due to a mistake in a Promotor report. Its replacement is proposal 8089. Quorum update: ID Voting endsTitleUnder quorum

DIS: Re: OFF: [Assessor] Resolution of Proposals 8077-8085, 8088 and 8087

2018-08-25 Thread Timon Walshe-Grey
y sensible - imagine if there were two simultaneous votes on the same proposal and they had different results!), not that it could only be redistributed once ever. -twg ‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐ On August 25, 2018 10:45 AM, Timon Walshe-Grey wrote: > I resolve the most recent Agoran Decis

Re: DIS: Hello

2018-08-25 Thread Timon Walshe-Grey
That seems like a precedent with an interesting story behind it. What happened? -twg ‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐ On August 25, 2018 5:47 AM, Aris Merchant wrote: > On Fri, Aug 24, 2018 at 10:36 PM Alex Smith ais...@alumni.bham.ac.uk > wrote: > > > On Fri, 2018-08-24 at 22:30 -0700, Aris

Re: DIS: Hello

2018-08-25 Thread Timon Walshe-Grey
There's a far more straightforward argument for this not working as a registration message: it was sent to agora-discussion, which is not a public forum. (Though I admit I did check the most recent Registrar report on agora-official to check that G. hadn't sneakily reclassified it as a public

Re: DIS: Come get your rulesets here!

2018-08-25 Thread Timon Walshe-Grey
I've been looking into the possibility of taking over Rulekeepor, in the absence of any other willing candidate, and have been looking through your ruleset generation system. One thing I'd like to ask (to everyone, not just you) is whether the inclusion of major CFJs in the Full Logical

Re: DIS: Come get your rulesets here!

2018-08-25 Thread Timon Walshe-Grey
about CFJs to do so. >> >> On Sat, Aug 25, 2018, 16:22 Timon Walshe-Grey wrote: >> >>> I've been looking into the possibility of taking over Rulekeepor, in the >>> absence of any other willing candidate, and have been looking through your >>>

DIS: Re: BUS: Honor Where Honor is Due

2018-08-19 Thread Timon Walshe-Grey
I suppose I could do the second one for you via Kenyon, but that's a bit exploitative of the zombie rules, even for me. -twg ‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐ On August 19, 2018 6:24 AM, Aris Merchant wrote: > Notice of Honor: > -1 to Aris, for making many errors in the last PDP > +1 to

DIS: Re: OFF: [Assessor] Humiliating Public Reminder to Vote in Proposals 8077-8085 and 8087-8088

2018-08-19 Thread Timon Walshe-Grey
al Message ‐‐‐ On August 19, 2018 8:35 PM, Timon Walshe-Grey wrote: > Blah blah blah, you know the drill. Proposals 8077-8088, except proposal 8086 > (which apparently doesn't exist), are one or two votes short of quorum and the > following slackers haven't voted on them yet:

Re: DIS: Land Win Condition

2018-08-19 Thread Timon Walshe-Grey
I have been drafting a proto. I haven't finished it yet, but this is the main part: // Enact a rule "Land Prestige", of power 2.0, with the following text: Land Prestige is an integer person switch tracked by the Herald.

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Distribution of Proposal 8089

2018-08-27 Thread Timon Walshe-Grey
vote as e was not a player > when the decision was distributed (R683). > > On Sun, 26 Aug 2018, Timon Walshe-Grey wrote: > > > Thank you everyone, we do now have enough votes to pass quorum. > > However, I will hold off on actually resolving the decision until Aris has > &

Re: DIS: Come get your rulesets here!

2018-08-26 Thread Timon Walshe-Grey
> https://faculty.washington.edu/kerim/nomic/cases/ > > But updating those in the FLR is definitely an optional extra. Very much > > optional. > > On Sat, 25 Aug 2018, Timon Walshe-Grey wrote: > > > > > I've been looking into the possibility of taking over Ru

DIS: Re: BUS: There's always something we miss

2018-08-26 Thread Timon Walshe-Grey
; else in the Rules, but, under R217, such an absurdity affords no reason to > ignore the text of R2499. > > (Am I doing this right? :-) ) > > On Sat, Aug 25, 2018 at 6:34 PM Timon Walshe-Grey wrote: > >> I submit and pend the following proposal: >> >>

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Distribution of Proposal 8089

2018-08-26 Thread Timon Walshe-Grey
Thank you everyone, we do now have enough votes to pass quorum. However, I will hold off on actually resolving the decision until Aris has done the next distribution, because otherwise quorum for _that_ distribution will rise again. And I think we've had more than enough quorum troubles

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Intention to deputise without portfolio

2018-07-15 Thread Timon Walshe-Grey
; > semi-active players don't tend to like having their offices suddenly > > taken from them, even if they were late on reports, and this has > > caused some disputes in the past, of the meta/people actually got > > upset variety. Just a friendly warning. > > -Aris >

Re: DIS: Fwd: [AgoraNomic/Library] Page build failure

2018-07-16 Thread Timon Walshe-Grey
I've actually been having intermittent problems connecting to GitHub at all, so my guess would be a temporary glitch or DoS attack or something on their end. I certainly can't see any problems with your markup. -twg ​​ ‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐ On July 16, 2018 5:53 PM, Publius

DIS: Re: BUS: Election update

2018-07-15 Thread Timon Walshe-Grey
I vote [Aris, Corona] in the ongoing Prime Minister election. -twg ​​ ‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐ On July 15, 2018 5:50 PM, Edward Murphy wrote: > ​​ > > I initiate an Agoran decision to select the winner of the Prime Minister > > election. The vote collector is the ADoP (me), the

DIS: Re: BUS: Some boring proposals

2018-07-23 Thread Timon Walshe-Grey
-Aris > > On Sun, Jul 22, 2018 at 3:21 PM Timon Walshe-Grey wrote: > > > I submit the following proposals. I pend the proposal "Patchy McPatchface". > > > > I do also intend to pend the two "From each according to eir means" > > proposals, > &

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Assessor] Humiliating Public Reminder

2018-07-23 Thread Timon Walshe-Grey
s now are valid if and only if the voting period has been > > extended, so their validity for determining quorum in the next batch will be > > uncertain... > > (Personally I'm abstaining on purpose so I'm decidedly not humiliated). > > On Mon, 23 Jul 2018, Timon Walshe-

Re: DIS: BUS broke for me now

2018-07-19 Thread Timon Walshe-Grey
You're right, I didn't see that rule. (It didn't contain any of my search terms - "Assessor", "ratification", "resolution".) Sorry. -twg ​​ ‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐ On July 19, 2018 4:18 PM, Alex Smith wrote: > ​​ > > On Thu, 2018-07-19

Re: DIS: BUS broke for me now

2018-07-19 Thread Timon Walshe-Grey
Well, in this case I think it's irrelevant; the message in which the Assessor resolves decisions on proposals isn't defined as a _report_, so "CoEs" against it are informal anyway. But I agree it's something that needs clarifying. Looking at rule 208, I believe the only question is whether you

DIS: Re: BUS: [Proposal] Steel Based Manufacturing

2018-07-14 Thread Timon Walshe-Grey
I suggest adding also "Create 5 steel in the possession of every player who is not eligible for a Welcome Package." -twg ​​ ‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐ On July 14, 2018 7:04 AM, Aris Merchant wrote: > ​​ > > I retract "Steel Based Manufacturing", and submit the following. > > -Aris >

DIS: Re: BUS: UNIX philosophy for proposals

2018-07-14 Thread Timon Walshe-Grey
On July 13, 2018 10:00 PM, Reuben Staley wrote: > While this does technically bring everyone closer to the same amount of > > money, I'm not sure this is the best way to do it. This also doesn't fix > > the gap in land ownership. I really think we need to do a map reset to > > achieve maximum

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: UNIX philosophy for proposals

2018-07-14 Thread Timon Walshe-Grey
On July 14, 2018 9:44 AM, Timon Walshe-Grey wrote: > Title: Frankenstein's land auctions Side note, do people approve of the whimsical proposal names? I can switch to more functional names if you like, it just seemed a little more... ah... nomic-esque. -twg

Re: Agora blacklisted (Re: DIS: My agora email keeps breaking)

2018-07-16 Thread Timon Walshe-Grey
Aris pended the proposals in the same message as eir Promotor report, which may be why you can't find them in the archives. Just for once, I'm actually not missing any emails, which is nice but sadly doesn't help solve the problem. -twg ​​ ‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐ On July 16, 2018

DIS: Test (not a report)

2018-07-16 Thread Timon Walshe-Grey
I figured it might be interesting to see whether Unicode box-drawing characters actually have wide support these days. How does it look to the rest of you? -twg ┌─┬┬┬┬┬┬┬┬┬┬┐ │Entity │Ston│Appl│Corn│

Re: DIS: Test (not a report)

2018-07-16 Thread Timon Walshe-Grey
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DIS: Re: OFF: [Assessor] Humiliating Public Reminder to Vote on Proposal 8089

2018-09-01 Thread Timon Walshe-Grey
Reminder: We still need one more vote on this before tomorrow morning, since G. correctly pointed out that D. Margaux's vote doesn't count. Trigon, please remember we've established that you have a zombie (Quazie). -twg ‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐ On August 26, 2018 3:04 PM, Timon Walshe

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Treasuror] Weekly report: Old censer found down back of sofa, incense reintroduced to economy

2018-09-01 Thread Timon Walshe-Grey
stones for orchard at (2,-2) > 3 steel for loom at (3,1) > 1 lumber and 1 stone for farm at (1, -2) > 2 lumber for orchard at (-2,0) > 2 stones for mine at (-3,0) > 4 stones for orchard at (-4,0) > 4 stones for orchard at (-5,0) > > ~Corona > > On Mon, Aug 2

DIS: Re: BUS: End-of-month business

2018-09-01 Thread Timon Walshe-Grey
gt; > On Sat, 1 Sep 2018, Timon Walshe-Grey wrote: > > > I intend, with Agoran Consent, to award the Badge "Badge of Accidental Loom > > Destruction" to myself, Trigon and Corona. I find it an extraordinary > > coincidence that three players have managed to ac

DIS: Re: BUS: Some moves and such

2018-09-09 Thread Timon Walshe-Grey
On Sunday, 9 September 2018 17:48, D Margaux wrote: > I cause nichdel pay 3 apples to stake a land claim to (-3, 1) with > land type Black. > > I cause nichdel to transfer the land at (-3, 1) to D. Margaux. > > I cause nichdel to pay 1 apple to move to (-2, 1). These three actions fail; zombies

DIS: Re: BUS: Elections

2018-09-09 Thread Timon Walshe-Grey
and then immediately resign as Rulekeepor, but I'm not entirely clear whether that would work to relieve me of the obligation to publish the FLR too. -twg ‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐ On Sunday, 9 September 2018 21:03, Kerim Aydin wrote: > > > On Sun, 9 Sep 2018, Timon Walshe-G

Re: DIS: [Promotor] Draft Report

2018-09-09 Thread Timon Walshe-Grey
I make quorum 4. Voters on proposal 8089 were Aris, G., Murphy, Trigon, twg and Kenyon, making 6 valid ballots. Also, Aris, it would be helpful if you could redistribute proposals 8082-8089, except 8086 which doesn't exist. (8077A-8081A haven't met quorum yet either, but the CFJ on whether you

Re: DIS: [Promotor] Draft Report

2018-09-09 Thread Timon Walshe-Grey
TTttDF -twg ‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐ On Monday, 10 September 2018 00:46, Timon Walshe-Grey wrote: > Crap, you're right. I even wrote the resolution message, just never clicked > send. My bad. > > -twg > > ‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐ > On Monday, 10 Septe

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Cartographor] The Map of Arcadia -- September week 2

2018-09-09 Thread Timon Walshe-Grey
On Monday, 10 September 2018 03:28, Reuben Staley wrote: > Second one is denied since it was already white when you tried to turn it > gray and therefore INEFFECTIVE. I don't believe that matters? Rule 2003 says: 3. 2 apples to set Land Type of a Land Unit which e owns to any

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Cartographor] The Map of Arcadia -- September week 2

2018-09-09 Thread Timon Walshe-Grey
I mean, at least you're not the one who turned your loom into some sort of weird monument-like thing... -twg ‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐ On Monday, 10 September 2018 03:38, Reuben Staley wrote: > Understood. Boy do I hate being wrong. > > On Sun, Sep 9, 2018, 21:37 Timon Wa

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Cartographor] Land Auctions for July week 1

2018-07-05 Thread Timon Walshe-Grey
I actually think it would be more frustrating to carry out the reforms _without_ a reset, because the reforms might ruin plans people had been forming or make their previous facility setup suboptimal. Someone (I think it was G.?) said a few days ago that e'd stop playing if the reforms passed.

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [ADoP] Metareport

2018-07-08 Thread Timon Walshe-Grey
It's rule 1006, "Offices", that says Officeholder is a switch, and it's rule 2162, "Switches", that (indirectly) says it's not. Rule 1030, "Precedence between Rules", gives a handy algorithm for resolving contradictions between rules: - Compare their powers (Not useful, they're both power 2.0)

DIS: Re: BUS: back to basics - this time with zombies

2018-07-10 Thread Timon Walshe-Grey
I like this system. More incentive to create proposals can't be a bad thing. As regards fixing the rejection penalty to always be positive, I feel like it would be more elegant to take adoption index directly into account instead of just specifying a minimum penalty. Something like (AGAINST *

Re: DIS: Poll: Agoran MU*

2018-07-10 Thread Timon Walshe-Grey
1) Yes, it sounds interesting in principle. Then again, I said that about the birthday tournament as well, and didn't feel like playing in the event. 2) Yes, but I can't promise to devote a great deal of time to it. Also, I don't have much experience with Python. 3) Yes. -twg ​​ ‐‐‐

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Herald] Weekly Report

2018-07-09 Thread Timon Walshe-Grey
Something something black kettle... -twg ‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐ On July 9, 2018 7:45 PM, Kerim Aydin wrote: > ​​ > > Note there were some land bids placed at the end of this report. > > On Mon, 9 Jul 2018, Kerim Aydin wrote: > > > Herald’s Weekly report > > > > [snip] > > > >

DIS: Re: BUS: still gonna try

2018-07-10 Thread Timon Walshe-Grey
Fails; you need to transfer the fabric from the loom to yourself first. -twg ​​ ‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐ On July 10, 2018 6:52 PM, Reuben Staley wrote: > ​​ > > I transfer all the fabric I have to G.. > > On Thu, Jul 5, 2018, 15:37 Reuben Staley reuben.sta...@gmail.com wrote: > > >

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Prime Minister] there's no confidence in the economy, so...

2018-07-07 Thread Timon Walshe-Grey
I realise I'm a relatively new player and don't have much of an informed opinion on anything, but to throw in my tuppenceworth, I like the idea of G.'s suggestions below. Uncoupling PAoaM from other parts of the game (paper and incense) means people who don't like it can ignore it and work

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [FRC] Agoran Values

2018-07-13 Thread Timon Walshe-Grey
"the isqueal purpose of Nomic play". -twg ​​ ‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐ On July 13, 2018 9:53 AM, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus wrote: > ​​ > > I'm sorry, this is probably there, but I can't find it. Where is the spelling? > > On Fri, Jul 13, 2018 at 3:00 AM Aris Merchant > >

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Intention to deputise without portfolio

2018-07-13 Thread Timon Walshe-Grey
al Message ‐‐‐ On July 13, 2018 9:14 PM, Reuben Staley wrote: > ​​ > > You cannot deputize for my office yet because I'm not behind on my duties > > and I also intend to publish the next Cartographor report this Saturday. > > On Fri, Jul 13, 2018, 14:51 Timon W

DIS: Re: BUS: Bank Heist

2018-10-12 Thread Timon Walshe-Grey
Very nice! I believe this would work if there were anything in the rules to suggest that a terminated contract cannot own assets. :) -twg ‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐ On Thursday, October 11, 2018 11:42 PM, Kerim Aydin wrote: > > > On Thu, 11 Oct 2018, D Margaux wrote: > > > I have sent

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Bank Heist

2018-10-12 Thread Timon Walshe-Grey
G. wrote: > It is no longer a contract, because no one agrees to it, which is basic > to the definition of "contract". So it cannot own assets. R1742 actually gives a definition of "contract": Any group of two or more consenting persons (the parties) may make an agreement among

DIS: Apology for Tardiness

2018-10-15 Thread Timon Walshe-Grey
(Unofficial - I don't believe it's actually possible to submit an official apology until after the Referee has imposed the Cold Hand of Justice (if, indeed, a Finger is Pointed at all). Though I could be wrong?) I'm sorry I missed the Treasuror report last week (and, to a lesser extent, the

DIS: Re: BUS: Round Robin CFJs

2018-10-15 Thread Timon Walshe-Grey
Hmm. For some reason this feels like a build-up to a scam. Oh well, let's see what happens. -twg ‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐ On Monday, October 15, 2018 7:24 PM, D Margaux wrote: > I CFJ the following three statements, and suggest to the Arbitor that they > should probably be assigned

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Distribution of Proposals 8105-8110

2018-10-16 Thread Timon Walshe-Grey
g ‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐ On Tuesday, October 16, 2018 12:25 AM, Alex Smith wrote: > On Tue, 2018-10-16 at 00:18 +, Timon Walshe-Grey wrote: > > > CFJ, barring G.: "In the quoted message, G. objected to at least one > > intent to perform a dependent

DIS: Re: BUS: Auction related proposals

2018-10-18 Thread Timon Walshe-Grey
Good idea! Minor comments on the second one: > A player who is not the auctioneer of an existing Auction > specified by this rule CAN, by announcement, initiate an auction > with emself as the auctioneer The lots, minimum bid, and currency > of the Auction shall be set by said player. - This

Re: BUS: Re: DIS: [Prime Minister] Regarding Wins

2018-10-21 Thread Timon Walshe-Grey
twg wrote: > The CFJ is something that I'd been toying with for a while as a potential scam > idea. I hadn't tried using it properly because I'm actually pretty sure it > doesn't work. ''I intend to Declare Apathy Without Objection, specifying > myself." is found in a message and then someone else

DIS: Re: BUS: CFJ assignments

2018-10-18 Thread Timon Walshe-Grey
I'm sorry, I hadn't realised CFJ 3664 had already been assigned (I remembered favouring it but thought the assignment was one of the things we were waiting on Murphy for). I'll aim to publish the judgement later today. -twg ‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐ On Thursday, October 18, 2018 1:22

DIS: Re: BUS: CFJ 3644 judged TRUE

2018-10-18 Thread Timon Walshe-Grey
Bugger, got my time zones mixed up. This was, of course, judged at 10:24, not 11:24. This is my first ever CFJ judgement - please do not hesitate to say if I got something wrong. -twg ‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐ On Thursday, October 18, 2018 10:24 AM, Timon Walshe-Grey wrote

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Round Robin CFJs

2018-10-16 Thread Timon Walshe-Grey
issues are very intermingled. (Can’t be me because I > called the CFJs.) > > On Mon, Oct 15, 2018 at 5:10 PM Timon Walshe-Grey m...@timon.red wrote: > > > Hmm. For some reason this feels like a build-up to a scam. Oh well, let's > > see what happens. > > -twg > >

Re: DIS: [Proto-proposal] space i guess?

2018-10-17 Thread Timon Walshe-Grey
On Wednesday, October 17, 2018 1:56 AM, Reuben Staley wrote: > Okay so overall, this is a decent idea, but I don't really want to play > this version of it. Why? It suffers from Boilerplate Syndrome. This is a > feature of proposed new minigames where the core mechanics are too > lightweight

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Deputisation

2018-10-28 Thread Timon Walshe-Grey
On Sunday, October 28, 2018 10:31 PM, D. Margaux wrote: > To the contrary, it is a dependent action—dependent on notice. Nope. R2472/2 says: If a player is Overpowered, any player CAN Demand Resignation from em by announcement, provided e has announced intent do to so between

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Deputisation

2018-10-28 Thread Timon Walshe-Grey
On Sunday, October 28, 2018 10:18 PM, D. Margaux wrote: > So here’s the scam—I think that nothing prevents me from objecting to this > intent multiple times, every 48 hours, and thereby preventing Agora from > ever becoming satisfied with it. Yes there is, which is that Demanding Resignation is

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Deputisation

2018-10-28 Thread Timon Walshe-Grey
les seem to only allow for contacts to allow acting on > behalf. > > Gaelan > > > On Oct 28, 2018, at 3:00 PM, Timon Walshe-Grey m...@timon.red wrote: > > I grant permission for any person except D. Margaux to act on my behalf to > > Demand Resignation from D. Margaux

Re: DIS: [Promotor] Index Proposalorum

2018-10-28 Thread Timon Walshe-Grey
"Trust no one" has already been adopted as Proposal 8105. Of course that doesn't necessarily mean it wasn't accidentally submitted again! -twg ‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐ On Sunday, October 28, 2018 7:11 AM, Aris Merchant wrote: > Does this list of proposals look complete and accurate

Re: DIS: Attn. Trigon (Re: BUS: CFJ 3672 reassigned and new CFJ issued)

2018-10-29 Thread Timon Walshe-Grey
This is what I thought as well, but G. seems to be saying that it's possible Trigon and D. Margaux are _both_ the judge of CFJ 3672. I'm a bit hazy on the details. Maybe wait for G. to give eir opinion before doing anything? -twg ‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐ On Tuesday, October 30, 2018

DIS: Re: BUS: Stop Speaking

2018-10-31 Thread Timon Walshe-Grey
, October 31, 2018 12:48 PM, Timon Walshe-Grey wrote: > I object, on the basis that you are the Speaker and could do this > unilaterally by resigning, so this is clearly part of some sort of scam, even > though I don't know what it is. > > -twg > > ‐‐‐ Original Message ‐

Re: DIS: Because I'm new like that

2018-10-31 Thread Timon Walshe-Grey
No, not that I know of. As I recall, there was some discussion about making one a while ago (for precisely this reason - it's intimidating to new players). But it never came to anything. In my opinion, these are the most important things to know (other people feel free to disagree / chip in):

Re: BUS: Re: DIS: Reminder to claim violet ribbons

2018-11-01 Thread Timon Walshe-Grey
+1 twg (reminding us) > -1 Trigon (a little less helpful then twg here :P ) > > On Wed, 31 Oct 2018, Reuben Staley wrote: > > > Technically, any player can award any other player a ribbon e has earned. > > I'm not going to do that, though. I award myself a Violet Ribbon. > &

Re: DIS: [Proto-proposal] let's do some space

2018-11-01 Thread Timon Walshe-Grey
I appreciate you've just spent a lot of time writing it _out_ of the proposal, but I actually preferred the system where spaceships were assets, like someone else (I think Gaelan?) mentioned on the previous draft. It makes extensibility much easier because we can say things like Spaceships

Re: BUS: Re: DIS: Reminder to claim violet ribbons

2018-11-01 Thread Timon Walshe-Grey
o meet the qualifications. > > On Thu, Nov 1, 2018, 01:45 Timon Walshe-Grey wrote: > > > No way to take it back now, but for future reference, awarding someone a > > (non-grey) ribbon against eir will is not necessarily a boon, because it > > makes it marginally more diffi

DIS: Re: OFF: [Tailor] The Ribbon Bar

2018-11-01 Thread Timon Walshe-Grey
On Thursday, November 1, 2018 2:01 PM, Timon Walshe-Grey wrote: > (Remove this comment before publishing the report!) Drat. -twg

DIS: Reminder to claim violet ribbons

2018-10-30 Thread Timon Walshe-Grey
The following players earned Violet Ribbons for participating in PAoaM and can still claim them up until Saturday: ATMunn Corona G. Trigon (I internally debated with myself about whether to remind you, but my fairness-loving side won out.) -twg

DIS: Re: BUS: Deputisation

2018-10-30 Thread Timon Walshe-Grey
ger at Cuddle Beam for violating No Faking by attempting an > action e knew to be INEFFECTIVE in the message below. > > > On Oct 28, 2018, at 6:42 PM, Cuddle Beam cuddleb...@gmail.com wrote: > > I award myself a Platinum ribbon. > > > > > On Sun, Oct 28, 2018 at 11:00

Re: DIS: [Proto] Criminal Justice Reform Act

2018-10-25 Thread Timon Walshe-Grey
The first time I read it I assumed the exact opposite, so it's definitely ambiguous. -twg ‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐ On Thursday, October 25, 2018 7:31 PM, D. Margaux wrote: > I would read it to mean that the change in verdict does not operate > retroactively to affect any game

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Treasuror] Weekly report: Delenda fuit

2018-10-27 Thread Timon Walshe-Grey
Well, none of the report actually self-ratifies at the moment because of the bug I pointed out last week, but zombie status wouldn't do anyway, no. I'll fix this for next week's report and publish it as a revision to this one. Sorry Gaelan. -twg ‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐ On Saturday,

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: Weekly report: Delenda fuit

2018-10-27 Thread Timon Walshe-Grey
I’m not a zombie. > > > On Oct 27, 2018, at 7:33 AM, Timon Walshe-Grey m...@timon.red wrote: > > > > COIN BALANCES > > > > == > > > > Rules summary: > > > > - You earn coins when your proposal is adopted; when you judge a CFJ;

DIS: Since we're doing fancy contracts...

2018-10-27 Thread Timon Walshe-Grey
...here's another idea I've been toying with for a while: This document is a contract between twg (the "Game Master" or "GM") and one or more other parties (the "Competitors"). Any player can become a Competitor and any Competitor can cease to be a party to this contract. The GM cannot cease

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Proposal] Quick proposals

2018-11-03 Thread Timon Walshe-Grey
On Saturday, November 3, 2018 2:41 AM, Reuben Staley wrote: > * Having a Thesis pass peer-review and be granted a Degree based > on its merit: 20 shinies Apparently we call these "coins" now. -twg

DIS: Uh-oh: CFJ ID clash

2018-11-03 Thread Timon Walshe-Grey
3679 and 3680. I assign them to G. > > For what it’s worth, I think they are, in order, FALSE (for reasons twg gave) > and TRUE (for reasons I gave). G. attempted to judge these "CFJ 3679" and "CFJ 3680" on November 2. D. Margaux wrote: >> On Oct 31, 2018, at

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: 3679-80 judgements

2018-11-03 Thread Timon Walshe-Grey
That's interesting. If I were asked to define "gratuitous" outside of an Agoran consent I would say "given freely" was the primary meaning, and I would only think of "unwarranted" later if at all. Perhaps it's dialectal? Are you somewhere in the US? (Brit here.) In direct answer to your

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: 3679-80 judgements

2018-11-03 Thread Timon Walshe-Grey
On Saturday, November 3, 2018 8:33 PM, Timon Walshe-Grey wrote: > outside of an Agoran consent I meant, of course, "outside of an Agoran context". -twg

DIS: Re: BUS: the other conflict of interest

2018-10-29 Thread Timon Walshe-Grey
No need. Demanding Resignation vacates _all_ the player's officers, not just the ones making em Overpowered, so my own announced intent works for these too. -twg ‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐ On Monday, October 29, 2018 3:23 PM, Kerim Aydin wrote: > > > D. Margaux is both Arbitor and

DIS: Hypothetical: What if a player dies?

2018-10-29 Thread Timon Walshe-Grey
This randomly occurred to me recently. Rule 869/44 indicates that a dead organism is not a person, because it is not capable of thinking. So if an organism who was a player died, e would cease to be a person and COULD NOT be a player any longer. But this is not the same as "deregistering",

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