Re: DIS: Re: [Herald] vote for the best Ruleset find
Oh - sorry! I thought about it when the earlier results were in, and
I meant to ask if anyone would object to just calling it a tie. The
reason I didn't mention that in the last email was that the new series
of votes broke the tie.
On Tue, Feb 26, 2019 at 11:08 AM Madeline wrote:
>
> To be honest, in a tie situation I would have expected you'd have given
> it to both of them. :P
>
> On 2019-02-27 02:02, Kerim Aydin wrote:
> > On 2/26/2019 2:59 AM, Madeline wrote:
> > > This actually untied the 3rd/4th race because twg had one primary
> > vote to
> > > CB's zero, but CB's just tied that again so oh well!
> >
> > Well, I kinda assumed 3rd was determined by re-evaluating the list order
> > after 1st and 2nd place winners were removed - that's not really well-
> > defined in the procedure (and what matters is how many people put CB
> > ahead
> > of twg). But also Gaelan's vote pulled Telnaior's out of conditional
> > status, so (assuming I'm not worrying about the length of the voting
> > period)
> > we got:
> >
> > D. Margaux: {Gaelan, Telnaior, twg, CuddleBeam}
> > ais523: {Telnaior, Gaelan, CuddleBeam, twg}
> > twg:{Gaelan, Telnaior, CuddleBeam, twg}
> > Falsifian: {Gaelan, Telnaior, twg, CuddleBeam}
> > G.: {Telnaior, Gaelan, CuddleBeam, twg}
> > Telnaior: {Telnaior, Gaelan, CuddleBeam, twg}
> > Aris: {twg, CuddleBeam, Telnaior, Gaelan}
> > Gaelan: {Gaelan, CuddleBeam, Telainor, twg}
> > CuddleBeam: {CuddleBeam, Gaelan, Telainor, twg}
> >
> > But this is by-the-by, as this was an advisory vote only. Even before
> > this
> > last round of late votes came in, I was thinking (in the event of a tie)
> > that I'd pick the person I didn't pick in my vote, thus tying my vote but
> > untying everyone's.
> >
> > Final order whether I count late votes or not (no more votes please!):
> > Gaelan, Telnaior, CuddleBeam, twg.
> >
Re: DIS: Re: [Herald] vote for the best Ruleset find
To be honest, in a tie situation I would have expected you'd have given
it to both of them. :P
On 2019-02-27 02:02, Kerim Aydin wrote:
On 2/26/2019 2:59 AM, Madeline wrote:
> This actually untied the 3rd/4th race because twg had one primary
vote to
> CB's zero, but CB's just tied that again so oh well!
Well, I kinda assumed 3rd was determined by re-evaluating the list order
after 1st and 2nd place winners were removed - that's not really well-
defined in the procedure (and what matters is how many people put CB
ahead
of twg). But also Gaelan's vote pulled Telnaior's out of conditional
status, so (assuming I'm not worrying about the length of the voting
period)
we got:
D. Margaux: {Gaelan, Telnaior, twg, CuddleBeam}
ais523: {Telnaior, Gaelan, CuddleBeam, twg}
twg: {Gaelan, Telnaior, CuddleBeam, twg}
Falsifian: {Gaelan, Telnaior, twg, CuddleBeam}
G.: {Telnaior, Gaelan, CuddleBeam, twg}
Telnaior: {Telnaior, Gaelan, CuddleBeam, twg}
Aris: {twg, CuddleBeam, Telnaior, Gaelan}
Gaelan: {Gaelan, CuddleBeam, Telainor, twg}
CuddleBeam: {CuddleBeam, Gaelan, Telainor, twg}
But this is by-the-by, as this was an advisory vote only. Even before
this
last round of late votes came in, I was thinking (in the event of a tie)
that I'd pick the person I didn't pick in my vote, thus tying my vote but
untying everyone's.
Final order whether I count late votes or not (no more votes please!):
Gaelan, Telnaior, CuddleBeam, twg.
Re: DIS: Re: [Herald] vote for the best Ruleset find
On 2/26/2019 2:59 AM, Madeline wrote:
> This actually untied the 3rd/4th race because twg had one primary vote to
> CB's zero, but CB's just tied that again so oh well!
Well, I kinda assumed 3rd was determined by re-evaluating the list order
after 1st and 2nd place winners were removed - that's not really well-
defined in the procedure (and what matters is how many people put CB ahead
of twg). But also Gaelan's vote pulled Telnaior's out of conditional
status, so (assuming I'm not worrying about the length of the voting period)
we got:
D. Margaux: {Gaelan, Telnaior, twg, CuddleBeam}
ais523: {Telnaior, Gaelan, CuddleBeam, twg}
twg:{Gaelan, Telnaior, CuddleBeam, twg}
Falsifian: {Gaelan, Telnaior, twg, CuddleBeam}
G.: {Telnaior, Gaelan, CuddleBeam, twg}
Telnaior: {Telnaior, Gaelan, CuddleBeam, twg}
Aris: {twg, CuddleBeam, Telnaior, Gaelan}
Gaelan: {Gaelan, CuddleBeam, Telainor, twg}
CuddleBeam: {CuddleBeam, Gaelan, Telainor, twg}
But this is by-the-by, as this was an advisory vote only. Even before this
last round of late votes came in, I was thinking (in the event of a tie)
that I'd pick the person I didn't pick in my vote, thus tying my vote but
untying everyone's.
Final order whether I count late votes or not (no more votes please!):
Gaelan, Telnaior, CuddleBeam, twg.
Re: DIS: Re: [Herald] vote for the best Ruleset find
This actually untied the 3rd/4th race because twg had one primary vote
to CB's zero, but CB's just tied that again so oh well!
On 2019-02-26 17:02, Kerim Aydin wrote:
Well done agora - if I count this, not only is 1st & 2nd place now a tie,
but the 3rd/4th race would also be a tie. Way to make decisions,
people :PP
On 2/25/2019 3:05 PM, Aris Merchant wrote:
Uh, I forgot to vote.
[twg, CuddleBeam, Telnaior, Gaelan]
-Aris
On Mon, Feb 25, 2019 at 10:04 AM Kerim Aydin wrote:
These are the votes I have, did I miss anyone? Looks like Gaelan
edges out Telnaior.
I'll make an "official" announcement later unless there's further
discussion...?
D. Margaux:{Gaelan, Telnaior, twg, CuddleBeam}
ais523: {Telnaior, Gaelan, CuddleBeam, twg}
twg: {Gaelan, Telnaior, CuddleBeam, twg}
Falsifian: {Gaelan, Telnaior, twg, CuddleBeam}
G.: {Telnaior, Gaelan, CuddleBeam, twg}
L (zombie, counting the zombies doesn't change the above results)
Halian (zombie, ditto)
Telnaior (conditional, didn't want eir vote to count if Gaelan didn't
vote).
Re: DIS: Re: [Herald] vote for the best Ruleset find
Having it customary to vote for yourself first makes this so much easier,
so:
I vote: {CB, Gae, Tel, twg}
I suggest making it so next time (when we ever do something similar) you
don’t have to include yourself in the vote.
On Tue, 26 Feb 2019 at 07:50, Gaelan Steele wrote:
> Well, if you insist.
>
> {Gaelan, CB, Telainor, twg}
>
> Gaelan
>
> > On Feb 25, 2019, at 10:02 PM, Kerim Aydin wrote:
> >
> >
> > Well done agora - if I count this, not only is 1st & 2nd place now a tie,
> > but the 3rd/4th race would also be a tie. Way to make decisions, people
> :PP
> >
> > On 2/25/2019 3:05 PM, Aris Merchant wrote:
> >> Uh, I forgot to vote.
> >> [twg, CuddleBeam, Telnaior, Gaelan]
> >> -Aris
> >> On Mon, Feb 25, 2019 at 10:04 AM Kerim Aydin wrote:
> >>>
> >>> These are the votes I have, did I miss anyone? Looks like Gaelan
> >>> edges out Telnaior.
> >>> I'll make an "official" announcement later unless there's further
> discussion...?
> >>>
> >>> D. Margaux:{Gaelan, Telnaior, twg, CuddleBeam}
> >>> ais523:{Telnaior, Gaelan, CuddleBeam, twg}
> >>> twg: {Gaelan, Telnaior, CuddleBeam, twg}
> >>> Falsifian: {Gaelan, Telnaior, twg, CuddleBeam}
> >>> G.:{Telnaior, Gaelan, CuddleBeam, twg}
> >>>
> >>> L (zombie, counting the zombies doesn't change the above results)
> >>> Halian (zombie, ditto)
> >>> Telnaior (conditional, didn't want eir vote to count if Gaelan didn't
> >>> vote).
>
>
Re: DIS: Re: [Herald] vote for the best Ruleset find
Well, if you insist.
{Gaelan, CB, Telainor, twg}
Gaelan
> On Feb 25, 2019, at 10:02 PM, Kerim Aydin wrote:
>
>
> Well done agora - if I count this, not only is 1st & 2nd place now a tie,
> but the 3rd/4th race would also be a tie. Way to make decisions, people :PP
>
> On 2/25/2019 3:05 PM, Aris Merchant wrote:
>> Uh, I forgot to vote.
>> [twg, CuddleBeam, Telnaior, Gaelan]
>> -Aris
>> On Mon, Feb 25, 2019 at 10:04 AM Kerim Aydin wrote:
>>>
>>> These are the votes I have, did I miss anyone? Looks like Gaelan
>>> edges out Telnaior.
>>> I'll make an "official" announcement later unless there's further
>>> discussion...?
>>>
>>> D. Margaux:{Gaelan, Telnaior, twg, CuddleBeam}
>>> ais523:{Telnaior, Gaelan, CuddleBeam, twg}
>>> twg: {Gaelan, Telnaior, CuddleBeam, twg}
>>> Falsifian: {Gaelan, Telnaior, twg, CuddleBeam}
>>> G.:{Telnaior, Gaelan, CuddleBeam, twg}
>>>
>>> L (zombie, counting the zombies doesn't change the above results)
>>> Halian (zombie, ditto)
>>> Telnaior (conditional, didn't want eir vote to count if Gaelan didn't
>>> vote).
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Re: DIS: Re: [Herald] vote for the best Ruleset find
Well done agora - if I count this, not only is 1st & 2nd place now a tie,
but the 3rd/4th race would also be a tie. Way to make decisions, people :PP
On 2/25/2019 3:05 PM, Aris Merchant wrote:
Uh, I forgot to vote.
[twg, CuddleBeam, Telnaior, Gaelan]
-Aris
On Mon, Feb 25, 2019 at 10:04 AM Kerim Aydin wrote:
These are the votes I have, did I miss anyone? Looks like Gaelan
edges out Telnaior.
I'll make an "official" announcement later unless there's further discussion...?
D. Margaux:{Gaelan, Telnaior, twg, CuddleBeam}
ais523:{Telnaior, Gaelan, CuddleBeam, twg}
twg: {Gaelan, Telnaior, CuddleBeam, twg}
Falsifian: {Gaelan, Telnaior, twg, CuddleBeam}
G.:{Telnaior, Gaelan, CuddleBeam, twg}
L (zombie, counting the zombies doesn't change the above results)
Halian (zombie, ditto)
Telnaior (conditional, didn't want eir vote to count if Gaelan didn't
vote).
Re: DIS: Re: [Herald] vote for the best Ruleset find
Uh, I forgot to vote.
[twg, CuddleBeam, Telnaior, Gaelan]
-Aris
On Mon, Feb 25, 2019 at 10:04 AM Kerim Aydin wrote:
>
> These are the votes I have, did I miss anyone? Looks like Gaelan
> edges out Telnaior.
> I'll make an "official" announcement later unless there's further
> discussion...?
>
> D. Margaux:{Gaelan, Telnaior, twg, CuddleBeam}
> ais523:{Telnaior, Gaelan, CuddleBeam, twg}
> twg: {Gaelan, Telnaior, CuddleBeam, twg}
> Falsifian: {Gaelan, Telnaior, twg, CuddleBeam}
> G.:{Telnaior, Gaelan, CuddleBeam, twg}
>
> L (zombie, counting the zombies doesn't change the above results)
> Halian (zombie, ditto)
> Telnaior (conditional, didn't want eir vote to count if Gaelan didn't
> vote).
>
> On Mon, Feb 18, 2019 at 11:00 AM Kerim Aydin wrote:
> >
> >
> > VOTE!
> > Who had the best loophole, bug, or scam during Read the Ruleset week?
> > VOTE!
> >
> > Here starts an UNOFFICIAL AGORAN DECISION with the following modifications:
> > - Ranked choice: It's not bad form to vote for yourself, but please
> > consider 2nd, 3rd, etc.
> > - Counting long term-watchers' votes too! If ais523, Ørjan, or other
> > watchers would like to opine.
> > - Using the Auction method for ending the decision (4 days since last
> > vote, no more than 7 days total).
> > - I'll give my own votes in 24-48 hours.
> >
> > OPTIONS (vote for the person)
> >
> > Telnaior illustrating that contracts can make infinitely-rewarding reports:
> > https://mailman.agoranomic.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/agora-business/2019-February/039875.html
> >
> > (unjudged; arguments for it working stronger than arguments against IMO,
> > fix proposed).
> >
> >
> > Gaelan's attempt to win by Apathy, by using two messages for the same
> > intent:
> > https://mailman.agoranomic.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/agora-business/2019-February/039934.html
> >
> > (Judged to have succeeded on reconsideration, though caught up in broader
> > issues of Satisfaction, fix proposed).
> >
> >
> > CuddleBeam arguing that Agora is a Contract, possibly a worldview shift:
> > https://mailman.agoranomic.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/agora-business/2019-February/039955.html
> > (Judged to be true, may be more of a curiosity than a practical matter, but
> > it's a curiosity very much in the Agoran spirit).
> >
> >
> > twg attempt to use contracts to induct the unwilling:
> > https://mailman.agoranomic.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/agora-business/2019-February/039950.html
> > (Judged to have failed, but pointed out the need for clearer wording or
> > stronger protections in the Rules).
> >
> >
> > Honorable Mentions:
> >
> > D. Margaux working the Contract Bug:
> > https://mailman.agoranomic.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/agora-business/2019-February/039896.html
> > (and when twg scooped em, followed up with a different approach):
> > https://mailman.agoranomic.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/agora-business/2019-February/039953.html
> >
> > CuddleBeam pointing out that space wins are infinite:
> > https://mailman.agoranomic.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/agora-business/2019-February/039895.html
> >
> > Falsifian, for pointing out that Satisfaction has been borked for over 2
> > years (unfortunately late for the contest! But the biggest bug correction
> > for a while and Falsifian is working hard on a fix).
> > https://mailman.agoranomic.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/agora-business/2019-February/040023.html
> >
> > twg's assertion that Rule 2571 is guilty of violating Rule 105. (also too
> > late to enter):
> > https://www.mail-archive.com/agora-business@agoranomic.org/msg33517.html
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
DIS: Re: [Herald] vote for the best Ruleset find
These are the votes I have, did I miss anyone? Looks like Gaelan
edges out Telnaior.
I'll make an "official" announcement later unless there's further discussion...?
D. Margaux:{Gaelan, Telnaior, twg, CuddleBeam}
ais523:{Telnaior, Gaelan, CuddleBeam, twg}
twg: {Gaelan, Telnaior, CuddleBeam, twg}
Falsifian: {Gaelan, Telnaior, twg, CuddleBeam}
G.:{Telnaior, Gaelan, CuddleBeam, twg}
L (zombie, counting the zombies doesn't change the above results)
Halian (zombie, ditto)
Telnaior (conditional, didn't want eir vote to count if Gaelan didn't
vote).
On Mon, Feb 18, 2019 at 11:00 AM Kerim Aydin wrote:
>
>
> VOTE!
> Who had the best loophole, bug, or scam during Read the Ruleset week?
> VOTE!
>
> Here starts an UNOFFICIAL AGORAN DECISION with the following modifications:
> - Ranked choice: It's not bad form to vote for yourself, but please
> consider 2nd, 3rd, etc.
> - Counting long term-watchers' votes too! If ais523, Ørjan, or other
> watchers would like to opine.
> - Using the Auction method for ending the decision (4 days since last
> vote, no more than 7 days total).
> - I'll give my own votes in 24-48 hours.
>
> OPTIONS (vote for the person)
>
> Telnaior illustrating that contracts can make infinitely-rewarding reports:
> https://mailman.agoranomic.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/agora-business/2019-February/039875.html
>
> (unjudged; arguments for it working stronger than arguments against IMO,
> fix proposed).
>
>
> Gaelan's attempt to win by Apathy, by using two messages for the same
> intent:
> https://mailman.agoranomic.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/agora-business/2019-February/039934.html
>
> (Judged to have succeeded on reconsideration, though caught up in broader
> issues of Satisfaction, fix proposed).
>
>
> CuddleBeam arguing that Agora is a Contract, possibly a worldview shift:
> https://mailman.agoranomic.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/agora-business/2019-February/039955.html
> (Judged to be true, may be more of a curiosity than a practical matter, but
> it's a curiosity very much in the Agoran spirit).
>
>
> twg attempt to use contracts to induct the unwilling:
> https://mailman.agoranomic.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/agora-business/2019-February/039950.html
> (Judged to have failed, but pointed out the need for clearer wording or
> stronger protections in the Rules).
>
>
> Honorable Mentions:
>
> D. Margaux working the Contract Bug:
> https://mailman.agoranomic.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/agora-business/2019-February/039896.html
> (and when twg scooped em, followed up with a different approach):
> https://mailman.agoranomic.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/agora-business/2019-February/039953.html
>
> CuddleBeam pointing out that space wins are infinite:
> https://mailman.agoranomic.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/agora-business/2019-February/039895.html
>
> Falsifian, for pointing out that Satisfaction has been borked for over 2
> years (unfortunately late for the contest! But the biggest bug correction
> for a while and Falsifian is working hard on a fix).
> https://mailman.agoranomic.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/agora-business/2019-February/040023.html
>
> twg's assertion that Rule 2571 is guilty of violating Rule 105. (also too
> late to enter):
> https://www.mail-archive.com/agora-business@agoranomic.org/msg33517.html
>
>
>
>
>
