Re: DIS: Call for Patches

2018-04-14 Thread Corona
Seconded. On Saturday, April 14, 2018, ATMunn wrote: > For the record, though, I think I do actually prefer the 5 auctions thing. > It seems like it's a lot more interesting. > > On 4/13/2018 2:39 PM, Kerim Aydin wrote: > >> >> >> I don't consider 1 auctions/5 auctions

Re: DIS: Call for Patches

2018-04-14 Thread ATMunn
For the record, though, I think I do actually prefer the 5 auctions thing. It seems like it's a lot more interesting. On 4/13/2018 2:39 PM, Kerim Aydin wrote: I don't consider 1 auctions/5 auctions to be a patch. It works as is, but some people want it a different way (never mind that

Re: DIS: Call for Patches

2018-04-13 Thread Aris Merchant
I know, but I disapprove of the idea on general principle [1]. Additionally, your contract doesn't write up the proposal text for people who don't have the time to do it themselves. -Aris [1] vide https://wiki.blognomic.com/index.php?title=FAQ#Do_conditional_clauses_work.3F On Fri, Apr 13,

Re: DIS: Call for Patches

2018-04-13 Thread Kerim Aydin
I mean it's a problem with the ruleset in general that leads to more mistakes of this nature. Of course each one cam be patched up as it's found. On Fri, 13 Apr 2018, Aris Merchant wrote: > I don't think it should be too hard. All we have to do is specify that > "If the auctioneer CAN transfer

Re: DIS: Call for Patches

2018-04-13 Thread Aris Merchant
I don't think it should be too hard. All we have to do is specify that "If the auctioneer CAN transfer the items in the lot to the winner at will, e immediately does so; otherwise, e SHALL do so in a timely fashion." Presuming that Agora can do whatever it wants to do, that works fine because Rule

Re: DIS: Call for Patches

2018-04-13 Thread Kerim Aydin
The real difficulty is many of the rules that have "or contract" generalizations when describing how things work. It would be so much easier if we could just assume all of auctions were transfers-from-agora and write some auto transfer-from-agora language, but we have to (all over the place)

Re: DIS: Call for Patches

2018-04-13 Thread Reuben Staley
Sigh. I really don't like it when other people are right. I guess that should be in the patches somewhere. On Fri, Apr 13, 2018, 14:42 Aris Merchant < thoughtsoflifeandligh...@gmail.com> wrote: > But where does it actually say that Agora actually ever makes such a > transfer? > > -Aris > > On

Re: DIS: Call for Patches

2018-04-13 Thread Aris Merchant
But where does it actually say that Agora actually ever makes such a transfer? -Aris On Fri, Apr 13, 2018 at 1:35 PM, Reuben Staley wrote: > The Cartographor doesn't make the transfer as the Cartographor is only the > Announcer. Agora, the auctioneer, is authorized the

Re: DIS: Call for Patches

2018-04-13 Thread Reuben Staley
The Cartographor doesn't make the transfer as the Cartographor is only the Announcer. Agora, the auctioneer, is authorized the make the transfer. On Fri, Apr 13, 2018, 14:00 Kerim Aydin wrote: > > > However, (and this is the third time I've asked) can anyone point me to

Re: DIS: Call for Patches

2018-04-13 Thread Aris Merchant
AFAICT it doesn't, so e can't. I presume we're letting last week's auctions self-ratify, so that shouldn't be a problem for those. I think the best fix is to specify that if Agora is the auctioneer and the Auction is rule specified, the transfer is automatic unless specified otherwise. -Aris On

Re: DIS: Call for Patches

2018-04-13 Thread Aris Merchant
Yeah, sure. -Aris On Fri, Apr 13, 2018 at 12:57 PM, Kerim Aydin wrote: > > > However, (and this is the third time I've asked) can anyone point me to > where it says in the rules that the cartographer actually CAN make a > transfer of land from Agora to a land auction

Re: DIS: Call for Patches

2018-04-13 Thread Aris Merchant
Sure, I'll leave it out. -Aris On Fri, Apr 13, 2018 at 11:39 AM, Kerim Aydin wrote: > > > I don't consider 1 auctions/5 auctions to be a patch. It works as is, > but some people want it a different way (never mind that includes the > original author). As it's

Re: DIS: Call for Patches

2018-04-13 Thread Kerim Aydin
However, (and this is the third time I've asked) can anyone point me to where it says in the rules that the cartographer actually CAN make a transfer of land from Agora to a land auction winner? On Fri, 13 Apr 2018, Kerim Aydin wrote: > I don't consider 1 auctions/5 auctions to be a patch.

Re: DIS: Call for Patches

2018-04-13 Thread Reuben Staley
One thing I just realized might be useful: while you're fixing that, can you also make it so that one corn can replace 3 or fewer apples instead of only 3? On Fri, Apr 13, 2018, 01:51 Aris Merchant < thoughtsoflifeandligh...@gmail.com> wrote: > Oh, one that I'd forgotten about: the place in Rule

Re: DIS: Call for Patches

2018-04-13 Thread Kerim Aydin
I don't consider 1 auctions/5 auctions to be a patch. It works as is, but some people want it a different way (never mind that includes the original author). As it's controversial, please leave it on its own. On Fri, 13 Apr 2018, Aris Merchant wrote: > Okay, I'm going to write up a patch

Re: BUS: Re: DIS: Call for Patches

2018-04-13 Thread Aris Merchant
Thank you! -Aris On Fri, Apr 13, 2018 at 1:04 AM Reuben Staley wrote: > As all of these are my fault, directly or indirectly, I transfer one > paper to Aris for the purpose of pending the patch proposal outlined below. > > This is a notice of honour { > > +1 Aris for

Re: DIS: Call for Patches

2018-04-13 Thread Corona
I'd take "substitute 3 apples for 1 corn" to mean that a one-way conversion only is possible (in the useless direction). Sure, we all know the rule wasn't meant that way, but Agora tends to follow the letter of law, not its spirit. On Fri, Apr 13, 2018 at 2:04 PM, Ned Strange

Re: DIS: Call for Patches

2018-04-13 Thread Gaelan Steele
I have a contract in place for exactly this purpose. Gaelan > On Apr 13, 2018, at 12:48 AM, Aris Merchant > wrote: > > Okay, I'm going to write up a patch proposal. I'll take any reasonably > uncontroversial patches, whether in typed up form or just with a

Re: DIS: Call for Patches

2018-04-13 Thread Ned Strange
Doesn't it still work? I think any reasonable person would understand that 1 corn= 3 apples with that text. On Fri, Apr 13, 2018 at 5:51 PM, Aris Merchant wrote: > Oh, one that I'd forgotten about: the place in Rule 2003 where it says > "Players CAN, while

Re: DIS: Call for Patches

2018-04-13 Thread Aris Merchant
Oh, one that I'd forgotten about: the place in Rule 2003 where it says "Players CAN, while performing the above actions, substitute 3 apples for 1 corn" should actually be the other way around. -Aris On Fri, Apr 13, 2018 at 12:48 AM, Aris Merchant wrote: >