Re: DIS: Proto-CFJ: Agora is a Person

2018-02-13 Thread Kerim Aydin
The point of CFJ 1895 is that it's an Agoran axiom (or custom) that, for legal purposes, natural persons are the only accepted originators of thought. This is in part driven by the idea that the definition of a "Game" is that a collection of thought-originators are making moves as a

Re: DIS: Proto-CFJ: Agora is a Person

2018-02-12 Thread Cuddle Beam
(You could take that the place where the thought blooms itself is where it "originates". Or the origin of the heat itself. If we assume that a start of the universe was the originator of everything, and we assume that nothing can have more than one originator, then nothing is an originator. Or

Re: DIS: Proto-CFJ: Agora is a Person

2018-02-12 Thread Cuddle Beam
Yes, more or less the argument I'm supporting. That Agora originates (gives rise to) in OTHERS, thoughts. Note the ones I bring up about Agora to defend the case aren't of the creative kind, they're of the "yeah it exists and its there" kind - passive. Imagine, really hot stew. You could

Re: DIS: Proto-CFJ: Agora is a Person

2018-02-12 Thread Kerim Aydin
CFJ 1895 may be useful, although it was written when 'person' was defined in other ways. The key quote: It is a longstanding principle of Agora that fundamental telos, the Intention, is non-assumable, irreducible, and non-transferable. Every assumed act of free will can be traced

Re: DIS: Proto-CFJ: Agora is a Person

2018-02-12 Thread Cuddle Beam
- It depends on what thought you're referring to, because thoughts are personal experiences. The original idea of Agora was originated by M. Norrish via their own creativity but the non-creative activity of perceiving Agora itself gives rise to other ideas (therefore "originating" them as per the

Re: DIS: Proto-CFJ: Agora is a Person

2018-02-12 Thread Gaelan Steele
Proto-gratuitous arguments: There are several issues with this argument. (s/thought/(thought or idea) throughout) Agora did not originate the thought of Agora. While Agora may embody that thought, the thought was originated by Michael Norrish. Freely originating thoughts means originating