Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: deputy-[Referee] Weekly Report

[Gaelan Steele]

Oh boy, I get to figure out ratification!

Gaelan

> On Apr 12, 2018, at 7:05 PM, Edward Murphy  wrote:
> 
> G. wrote:
> 
>> GUESS WHAT:  It's worse than that.  There *is* no Referee's weekly report!
>> There's no place I can find that puts together "referee" and "Report".
> 
> How long has that been the case, so I can remove relevant bits from the
> ADoP database?
> 

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: deputy-[Referee] Weekly Report

[Kerim Aydin]

On Thu, 12 Apr 2018, Edward Murphy wrote:
> G. wrote:
> 
> > Sigh.  I deputize for the REFEREE to resolve the finger-pointing as
> > indicated
> > below.
> 
> Leaving this out of the ADoP history, as you already were Referee
> (unless I missed something else).

The subsequent conversation was that I was mistaken, there *is* a referre's
report because the generic asset rule says that the recordkeepor of an
asset has the asset as part of eir report.  My deputy-report didn't have
pledges (pledges are assets) so wasn't a report so original deputization failed.

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: deputy-[Referee] Weekly Report

[Edward Murphy]

G. wrote:


Sigh.  I deputize for the REFEREE to resolve the finger-pointing as indicated
below.


Leaving this out of the ADoP history, as you already were Referee
(unless I missed something else).

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: deputy-[Referee] Weekly Report

[Kerim Aydin]

Ah, I forgot that asset clause, and that pledges are assets.  We're all 
good then, you're right.  My deputization for finger-pointing should
be good, I think that's the only official duty I tried to do when we
thought I was Referee (other than a now-owed report).

The clause you're seeking is in R2143.

On Wed, 11 Apr 2018, Ned Strange wrote:
> There is the following provision "The recordkeepor of a class of
> assets is the entity (if any)
> defined as such by, and bound by, its backing document. That
> entity's report includes a list of all instances of that class and
> their owners."
> 
> I'm 95% sure there was at one point a rule that said "if any report's
> time period is not specified, it's weekly" or something of the like,
> but I cannot find it now.
> 
> On Wed, Apr 11, 2018 at 9:59 PM, Ned Strange  wrote:
> >>I deputize for the Registrar
> >
> > You'll have to do this again.
> >
> > On Wed, Apr 11, 2018 at 9:55 PM, Kerim Aydin  wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >> GUESS WHAT:  It's worse than that.  There *is* no Referee's weekly report!
> >> There's no place I can find that puts together "referee" and "Report".
> >>
> >> While the rules say the Referee is the "recordkeepor" for pledges,
> >> it doesn't say that it's part of a Report.  R2143 says that if something is
> >> "part of a report" without saying each one, it's part of the weekly report.
> >> The same is true for Blots (R2555).  No report defined.
> >>
> >> I don't think there's anything in the rules that says that merely saying
> >> "recordkeepor" means "part of report"?  In fact, the only thing 
> >> "recordkeepor"
> >> does that I can find is make that quantity restricted as per R2125, I can't
> >> find any requirement to publish the record - the requirement comes from
> >> explicitly saying something is part of a report.  Of course this is a bug,
> >> it *should* be part of a report, but for the technicality of the recent
> >> deputization success this is important.  Is this clear enough or is it
> >> CFJ-worthy do you think?
> >>
> >>
> >> SO TO CONVERGE THE GAMESTATE IF THE OFFICE IS VACANT:
> >>
> >> I deputize for the Registrar conclude the investigation into Aris's recent
> >> finger-pointing as follows:
> >>
> >> The facts are correct.  Cold Hand of Justice Imposed:
> >>
> >> 2 Blots is the base penalty.  I think a first offense of a missed report
> >> should start with the lowest penalty (lowest common infraction as a
> >> baseline).  So I levy a fine of 1 blot on VJ Rada.
> >>
> >> This is forgivable, so does not take away salary for this month (no words
> >> specified for the apology).
> >>
> >> I'm not sure for future if the 2nd or 3rd missed report (14 or 21 days
> >> of "no work") would be the threshold for unforgivable for the purposes of
> >> losing a month's salary.
> >>
> >> On Tue, 10 Apr 2018, Aris Merchant wrote:
> >>> I point my finger at V.J. Rada for failing to publish the Notary's weekly
> >>> report. In general I agreee with G.'s two week rule, but in this case the
> >>> person responsible failed to publish the report after being elected to the
> >>> office.
> >>>
> >>> -Aris
> >>
> >>
> >> On Wed, 11 Apr 2018, Ned Strange wrote:
> >>> Alert: As this report does not contain pledges, it is no report at
> >>> all. You are no referee but a mere IMPOSTOR
> >>>
> >>> On Mon, Apr 9, 2018 at 4:04 AM, Kerim Aydin  
> >>> wrote:
> >>> >
> >>> >
> >>> > I deputize for the Referee to publish the following weekly report:
> >>> >
> >>> >  
> >>> >   Referee's Weekly Report
> >>> >  
> >>> >
> >>> >No one has any Blots.  No instances of blots currently exist.
> >>> >
> >>> >  -end of report--
> >>> >
> >>> >
> >>> >
> >>> >
> >>> > On Sun, 8 Apr 2018, Cuddle Beam wrote:
> >>> >
> >>> >> I resign Referee. Gnomic is starting to get inertia with its initial
> >>> >> culture and history and I'd like to help it out (it's also why I've 
> >>> >> been
> >>> >> away lately, sorry).
> >>> >>
> >>> >> On Sat, Apr 7, 2018 at 9:47 PM, Kerim Aydin  
> >>> >> wrote:
> >>> >>
> >>> >> >
> >>> >> >
> >>> >> > As I mentioned several days ago, I plan in future to point fingers at
> >>> >> > officers who miss two successive weekly reports. Just to set a good
> >>> >> > standard going forward! (Others may still enforce a tougher standard
> >>> >> > if they wish, of course).
> >>> >> >
> >>> >> > When this week ends in ~28 hours, officers who would be blotted would
> >>> >> > be Corona (Herald's weekly) and CuddleBeam (Referee's weekly).
> >>> >> >
> >>> >> > (If I missed a report my apologies, I'll double-check before 
> >>> >> > blotting).
> >>> >> >
> >>> >> > -G.
> >>> >> >
> >>> >> >
> >>> >> >
> >>> >> >
> >>> >>
> >>> >
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> --
> >>> From V.J. Rada
> >>>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > From V.J. Rada
> 
> 
> 
> 

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Deputy-Referee] Weekly Report

[Cuddle Beam]

Just checked it and yes, you're right. By a few hours, it was in the 28th.

On Thu, Mar 1, 2018 at 5:28 PM, Kerim Aydin  wrote:

>
>
> Genuine correction:  By UTC, I think my Pink Slip hit on Feb 28 not
> March 1?  Matters for payday.
>
> On Thu, 1 Mar 2018, Kerim Aydin wrote:
> > Sorry, I was just catching the lack of that stuff in the top line
> > ("recent events") which doesn't ratify.  Was puzzled by the line
> > between "previous report" and "last report" not sure the difference
> > there?  No biggie just the format fooled me.
> >
> > On Thu, 1 Mar 2018, Kerim Aydin wrote:
> > > Coe: missing all the card-action surrounding the zombie auction
> > > and all the accusations of "spoiling fun".  Missing at least one pledge
> > > I made.  Probably missing everything that happened since December?
> > >
> > > On Thu, 1 Mar 2018, Cuddle Beam wrote:
> > > > I deputize for Referee and publish the following report:
> > > >
> > > > Date of this report: 1 Mar 2018
> > > > Date of last report: 31 Jan 2018
> > > >
> > > > Recent events:
> > > > Tue   7 Nov 2017: V.J. Rada made a pledge
> > > > Tue   7 Nov 2017: V.J. Rada made a pledge
> > > > Wed,  8 Nov 2017: Aris made 18 pledges (thanks a bunch, Aris)
> > > > Thu,  9 Nov 2017: Cuddlebeam pointed a finger at o. for abuse of
> power
> > > > Sat, 11 Nov 2017: Alexis made a pledge
> > > > Mon, 13 Nov 2017: Finger pointed at o. found SHENANIGANS
> > > >
> > > > Previous Report
> > > >
> > > > Fri, 17 Nov 2017: Corona made a pledge. Sun, 19 Nov 2017: Aris
> withdrew 18
> > > > pledges. Mon, 20 Nov 2017: Red Card issued by Summary Judgement to
> V.J.
> > > > Rada for breaking R2491 Tue, 21 Nov 2017: OscarMeyr made a pledge
> (yes,
> > > > non-players can own them)
> > > >
> > > > Tue, 21 Nov 2017: Green Card issued by Summary Judgement to 天火狐
> > > > for Tardiness
> > > >
> > > > Time of Last Report
> > > >
> > > > 4 Feb 2017 Cuddlebeam Pointed a Finger at themselves for existing.
> > > > Found SHENANIGANS.
> > > >
> > > > 8 Feb 2017 Cuddlebeam is issued a Red Card by Summary Judgement for
> > > > not Treating Agora Right.
> > > >
> > > > 9 Feb 2017 Cuddlebeam Pointed a Finger at G for impersonating good
> > > > faith for the purpose of a personal agenda. Red Card issued.
> > > >
> > > > 12 Feb 2017 Telnaoir Pointed a Finger at themselves for abuse of
> power.
> > > > Blue Card issued.
> > > >
> > > > 1 March 2017 G. Pink Slips themselves from Referee via Summary
> Judgement.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > [1] Publius Scribonius Scholasticus
> > > >
> > > > Green Cards:
> > > > Player   On Reason
> > > > ---
> > > > P.S.S.[1]May 16, 2017   Tardiness
> > > > P.S.S.[1]May 20, 2017   Ambiguity
> > > > Murphy   Jun 22, 2017   Faking
> > > > Gaelan   Jun 23, 2017   Tardiness
> > > > Gaelan   Jun 23, 2017   Tardiness
> > > > oJul 11, 2017   Tardiness
> > > > V.J Rada Jul 14, 2017   Making My Eyes Bleed
> > > > oJul 18, 2017   Tardiness
> > > > oJul 29, 2017   Tardiness
> > > > Gaelan   Jul 29, 2017   Late Judgement
> > > > oSep  4, 2017   Rule 2498
> > > > Quazie   Sep  7, 2017   Rule 2201
> > > > 天火狐Sep 12, 2017   No reason
> > > > oSep 12, 2017   Rule 2426
> > > > oSep 12, 2017   Rule 2478
> > > > V.J Rada Sep 15, 2017   Rule 2496
> > > > nichdel  Sep 20, 2017   Rule 2450
> > > > oSep 20, 2017   Rule 2478
> > > > oSep 22, 2017   Rule 2426
> > > > V.J Rada Sep 24, 2017   Rule 2143
> > > > CuddleBeam   Sep 26, 2017   No reason
> > > > CuddleBeam   Sep 26, 2017   No reason
> > > > oSep 26, 2017   Rule 2426
> > > > P.S.S.[1]Sep 27, 2017   Rule 2143
> > > > V.J Rada Oct  3, 2017   Rule 2471
> > > > oOct  4, 2017   Rule 2479
> > > > Aris Oct 11, 2017   Rule 2143
> > > > oOct 11, 2017   Rule 2456
> > > > oOct 11, 2017   Rule 2456
> > > > oOct 24, 2017   Tardiness
> > > > V.J. RadaOct 24, 2017   No Finger Response
> > > > V.J. RadaOct 24, 2017   No Finger Response
> > > > oOct 31, 2017   R2156 Lateness
> > > > 天火狐Nov 21, 2017:  Tardiness
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > [1] Named, in full, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Blue Cards
> > > >
> > > > PlayerOn ReasonFine
> > > > ---
> > > > ATMunnNov 6, 2017Quorum Not Stated {2sh}
> > > > AlexisNov 6, 2017Quorum Not Stated {2sh}
> > > >
> > > > Fines in {} indicate no Fine Levied. Fines in [] indicate Fine
> Levied,
> > > > but not paid
> > > >
> > > > Yellow Cards:
> > > >
> > > > PlayerUntil  Reason   Apology Words
> > > > ---
> > > > Quazie   (Apr 26, 2017)  Bankruptcy
> > > > o

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Deputy-Referee] Weekly Report

[Cuddle Beam]

Ah OK

On Thu, Mar 1, 2018 at 5:27 PM, Kerim Aydin  wrote:

>
>
> Sorry, I was just catching the lack of that stuff in the top line
> ("recent events") which doesn't ratify.  Was puzzled by the line
> between "previous report" and "last report" not sure the difference
> there?  No biggie just the format fooled me.
>
> On Thu, 1 Mar 2018, Kerim Aydin wrote:
> > Coe: missing all the card-action surrounding the zombie auction
> > and all the accusations of "spoiling fun".  Missing at least one pledge
> > I made.  Probably missing everything that happened since December?
> >
> > On Thu, 1 Mar 2018, Cuddle Beam wrote:
> > > I deputize for Referee and publish the following report:
> > >
> > > Date of this report: 1 Mar 2018
> > > Date of last report: 31 Jan 2018
> > >
> > > Recent events:
> > > Tue   7 Nov 2017: V.J. Rada made a pledge
> > > Tue   7 Nov 2017: V.J. Rada made a pledge
> > > Wed,  8 Nov 2017: Aris made 18 pledges (thanks a bunch, Aris)
> > > Thu,  9 Nov 2017: Cuddlebeam pointed a finger at o. for abuse of power
> > > Sat, 11 Nov 2017: Alexis made a pledge
> > > Mon, 13 Nov 2017: Finger pointed at o. found SHENANIGANS
> > >
> > > Previous Report
> > >
> > > Fri, 17 Nov 2017: Corona made a pledge. Sun, 19 Nov 2017: Aris
> withdrew 18
> > > pledges. Mon, 20 Nov 2017: Red Card issued by Summary Judgement to V.J.
> > > Rada for breaking R2491 Tue, 21 Nov 2017: OscarMeyr made a pledge (yes,
> > > non-players can own them)
> > >
> > > Tue, 21 Nov 2017: Green Card issued by Summary Judgement to 天火狐
> > > for Tardiness
> > >
> > > Time of Last Report
> > >
> > > 4 Feb 2017 Cuddlebeam Pointed a Finger at themselves for existing.
> > > Found SHENANIGANS.
> > >
> > > 8 Feb 2017 Cuddlebeam is issued a Red Card by Summary Judgement for
> > > not Treating Agora Right.
> > >
> > > 9 Feb 2017 Cuddlebeam Pointed a Finger at G for impersonating good
> > > faith for the purpose of a personal agenda. Red Card issued.
> > >
> > > 12 Feb 2017 Telnaoir Pointed a Finger at themselves for abuse of power.
> > > Blue Card issued.
> > >
> > > 1 March 2017 G. Pink Slips themselves from Referee via Summary
> Judgement.
> > >
> > >
> > > [1] Publius Scribonius Scholasticus
> > >
> > > Green Cards:
> > > Player   On Reason
> > > ---
> > > P.S.S.[1]May 16, 2017   Tardiness
> > > P.S.S.[1]May 20, 2017   Ambiguity
> > > Murphy   Jun 22, 2017   Faking
> > > Gaelan   Jun 23, 2017   Tardiness
> > > Gaelan   Jun 23, 2017   Tardiness
> > > oJul 11, 2017   Tardiness
> > > V.J Rada Jul 14, 2017   Making My Eyes Bleed
> > > oJul 18, 2017   Tardiness
> > > oJul 29, 2017   Tardiness
> > > Gaelan   Jul 29, 2017   Late Judgement
> > > oSep  4, 2017   Rule 2498
> > > Quazie   Sep  7, 2017   Rule 2201
> > > 天火狐Sep 12, 2017   No reason
> > > oSep 12, 2017   Rule 2426
> > > oSep 12, 2017   Rule 2478
> > > V.J Rada Sep 15, 2017   Rule 2496
> > > nichdel  Sep 20, 2017   Rule 2450
> > > oSep 20, 2017   Rule 2478
> > > oSep 22, 2017   Rule 2426
> > > V.J Rada Sep 24, 2017   Rule 2143
> > > CuddleBeam   Sep 26, 2017   No reason
> > > CuddleBeam   Sep 26, 2017   No reason
> > > oSep 26, 2017   Rule 2426
> > > P.S.S.[1]Sep 27, 2017   Rule 2143
> > > V.J Rada Oct  3, 2017   Rule 2471
> > > oOct  4, 2017   Rule 2479
> > > Aris Oct 11, 2017   Rule 2143
> > > oOct 11, 2017   Rule 2456
> > > oOct 11, 2017   Rule 2456
> > > oOct 24, 2017   Tardiness
> > > V.J. RadaOct 24, 2017   No Finger Response
> > > V.J. RadaOct 24, 2017   No Finger Response
> > > oOct 31, 2017   R2156 Lateness
> > > 天火狐Nov 21, 2017:  Tardiness
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > [1] Named, in full, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus.
> > >
> > >
> > > Blue Cards
> > >
> > > PlayerOn ReasonFine
> > > ---
> > > ATMunnNov 6, 2017Quorum Not Stated {2sh}
> > > AlexisNov 6, 2017Quorum Not Stated {2sh}
> > >
> > > Fines in {} indicate no Fine Levied. Fines in [] indicate Fine Levied,
> > > but not paid
> > >
> > > Yellow Cards:
> > >
> > > PlayerUntil  Reason   Apology Words
> > > ---
> > > Quazie   (Apr 26, 2017)  Bankruptcy
> > > o(Apr 22, 2017)  Tardiness
> > > o(Jul 15, 2017)  Tardiness
> > > o(Jul 15, 2017)  Tardiness
> > > CuddleBeamJul 16, 2017   Tardiness
> > > P.S.S.[1] Sep 15, 2017   Rule 2143
> > > o(Aug 23, 2017)  Rule 2491
> > > Quazie   (Sep 13, 2017)  Rule 2450
> > > V.J Rada (Sep 15, 2017)  Being bad
> > > GaelanNov 24, 2017   Tardiness
> > > Nichdel   Dec  6, 2017   PCI[2][3]
> > >
> >