Re: [akka-user][deprecated] Re: [akka-user] Announcing discuss.akka.io!

[Alan Burlison]

On 17/03/18 00:10, Justin du coeur wrote:


As a result, I'm on the fence about getting involved with the new Akka and
Play forums.  I may go for it -- if the volume remains at the level of the
mailing lists, it won't be too bad.  But I'd be a lot less reluctant
(possibly eager, even) if Discourse would fix the damned mailing list mode
to respect the other settings.  I'm surprised and disappointed that they
haven't prioritized this...


I think you don't have to look any further than Jeff Atwood's opinion of 
email and the people that use it to figure why it's still so broken 
despite all the requests over the years:


https://blog.codinghorror.com/is-email-efail/

I don't know if they have fixed it, but it always used to be the case 
that you couldn't start new "topics" via email and you had to log in to 
the Discourse BUI in order to do so, so the email functionality was 
basically useless and you were forced to use the BUI.


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Re: [akka-user][deprecated] Re: [akka-user] Announcing discuss.akka.io!

[Justin du coeur]

On Fri, Mar 16, 2018 at 7:17 AM, Johan Andrén 
wrote:

> Sorry to hear that you dislike Discuss so much you won't be coming along
> there Alan.
>

I gotta say -- Alan's not alone in these concerns.  I'm pretty active on
both Scala-Contributors and Scala-Users, and while I put up with the
mailing list mode for them, I hate it with a burning passion.  On the one
hand, it's necessary (I've demonstrated experimentally that I don't
actually follow what's going on without it), but it's such an uncritical
firehose as to be borderline disease-worse-than-the-cure.

As a result, I'm on the fence about getting involved with the new Akka and
Play forums.  I may go for it -- if the volume remains at the level of the
mailing lists, it won't be too bad.  But I'd be a lot less reluctant
(possibly eager, even) if Discourse would fix the damned mailing list mode
to respect the other settings.  I'm surprised and disappointed that they
haven't prioritized this...

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Re: [akka-user][deprecated] Re: [akka-user] Announcing discuss.akka.io!

[Alan Burlison]

On 16/03/18 21:56, Patrik Nordwall wrote:


You can setup email notifications as described in
https://discuss.lightbend.com/t/how-to-use-the-discuss-forum-as-a-mailing-list/61
If I'm understanding the warning at the bottom of that page, you'll get 
emails for *all* categories in Discourse, not just Akka, is that correct?


As I read it, the advice on that page is "Don't use the mailing list 
functionality" so I'm a bit surprised to see it being recommended here.


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Re: [akka-user][deprecated] Re: [akka-user] Announcing discuss.akka.io!

[Eric Swenson]

Thanks, Patrick. Exactly what I needed. -- Eric

 

From:  on behalf of Patrik Nordwall 

Reply-To: 
Date: Friday, March 16, 2018 at 14:57
To: 
Subject: Re: [akka-user][deprecated] Re: [akka-user] Announcing discuss.akka.io!

 

Hi Eric,

You can setup email notifications as described in 
https://discuss.lightbend.com/t/how-to-use-the-discuss-forum-as-a-mailing-list/61

/Patrik

fre 16 mars 2018 kl. 22:01 skrev Eric Swenson :

Konrad,

Will new topics continue to be pushed to the mailing list as they are published 
on the discuss.akka.io web site?  I have avidly followed the mailing list and 
use it to learn of new developments and read up on topics of interest to me. I 
relied on the "push" nature of the mailing list to let me know topics of 
interest. Having to check a web site (and remembering to do so) means, for me, 
that I would no longer be able to keep up-to-date with akka developments. It 
just requires too much effort to "follow" changes in a web site.  

If the mailing list will remain as a means of pushing notifications of all the 
threads on discuss.akka.io, and the only change is that we cannot reply to the 
mailing list, I'm perfectly happy with that. As long as I can click on a link 
on a mailing list digest entry and end up at the right place on discuss.akka.io 
so that I can contribute and/or read the whole discussion, that's great.

Thanks. -- Eric

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Re: [akka-user][deprecated] Re: [akka-user] Announcing discuss.akka.io!

[Patrik Nordwall]

Hi Eric,

You can setup email notifications as described in
https://discuss.lightbend.com/t/how-to-use-the-discuss-forum-as-a-mailing-list/61

/Patrik
fre 16 mars 2018 kl. 22:01 skrev Eric Swenson :

> Konrad,
>
> Will new topics continue to be pushed to the mailing list as they are
> published on the discuss.akka.io web site?  I have avidly followed the
> mailing list and use it to learn of new developments and read up on topics
> of interest to me. I relied on the "push" nature of the mailing list to let
> me know topics of interest. Having to check a web site (and remembering to
> do so) means, for me, that I would no longer be able to keep up-to-date
> with akka developments. It just requires too much effort to "follow"
> changes in a web site.
>
> If the mailing list will remain as a means of pushing notifications of all
> the threads on discuss.akka.io, and the only change is that we cannot
> reply to the mailing list, I'm perfectly happy with that. As long as I can
> click on a link on a mailing list digest entry and end up at the right
> place on discuss.akka.io so that I can contribute and/or read the whole
> discussion, that's great.
>
> Thanks. -- Eric
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Re: [akka-user][deprecated] Re: [akka-user] Announcing discuss.akka.io!

[Eric Swenson]

Konrad,

Will new topics continue to be pushed to the mailing list as they are 
published on the discuss.akka.io web site?  I have avidly followed the 
mailing list and use it to learn of new developments and read up on topics 
of interest to me. I relied on the "push" nature of the mailing list to let 
me know topics of interest. Having to check a web site (and remembering to 
do so) means, for me, that I would no longer be able to keep up-to-date 
with akka developments. It just requires too much effort to "follow" 
changes in a web site.  

If the mailing list will remain as a means of pushing notifications of all 
the threads on discuss.akka.io, and the only change is that we cannot reply 
to the mailing list, I'm perfectly happy with that. As long as I can click 
on a link on a mailing list digest entry and end up at the right place on 
discuss.akka.io so that I can contribute and/or read the whole discussion, 
that's great.

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[akka-user][deprecated] [Akka-Streams] Running into AbruptIOTerminationException with idleTimeout usage

[Nicolas Phung]

Hello,

I'm trying to do the following:

Source
.repeat(ByteString ("Hello World!"))
.filter(e => myFilter(e))
.idleTimeout(5 seconds)

.via(Compression.gzip())

.runWith(FileIO.fromPath(file))


Since my source is running indefinitely, I put the idleTimeout after the 
filter. I want my stream to stop and complete my stream if there's no new 
elements after the filter within a certain amount of time. The idleTimeout 
is running a TimeoutException as expected but before that there's a 
AbruptIOTerminationException 


This will result in a corrupted file and not properly closed gzip file. Am 
I using the correct built-in stage for this or is there another stage I 
need to be aware of ? 

Regards,

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[akka-user][deprecated] Re: Microservice Architecture in Akka

[Anish Kuti]

Thanks for the response . I understand your points . If I  use kubernetes 
load balancing, service discovery and autoscaling , do you still see the 
need of use Akka cluster in this microservice architecture ? . I can deploy 
the Akka rest application inside docker and will use k8s feature for 
load-balancing and application POD replication.   
Akka http can be able to fetch data from DB and execute some buisness 
logic  .

Do you see any thing I will miss if I am not using Akka cluster ? I new to 
this Akka world , so willing learn and sorry If I asked some non-sense 
question . Pls help .. 

 

On Friday, 16 March 2018 00:31:31 UTC+5:30, Anish Kuti wrote:
>
>  I want to create microservice using akka (not using lagom framework) . 
> What is the best way to do ? 
>
>
> Requirement is as below
>
> I want my channel layer to consume the API (REST using Json) . And these 
> API will call some legacy system to fetch the data . There can be multiple 
> layer of API like as “Digital experience microservice” will be calling 
> “process microservice” . “Digital experience microservice” will be 
> responsible for providing channel specific data . This process microservice 
> will be able to do some orchestration/choreography for fulling the process 
> by calling “Domain Microservice”. These Domain microservice Should be able 
> to fetch the data from Read/cache DB .
> In case of write service this read Db need to be populated by event 
> streaming. So there will be multiple microservice , and they can 
> communicate between themselves (domain service) using json/protobuf -grpc . 
> Definitely it needs to be fault tolerant, As well I want to deploy in 
> kubernetes and will use kubernetes out box support for service discovery & 
> registry,load balancing ,autoscaling features .
>
>
> Hope I am able to give clear picture on the requirement . Would appreciate 
> if you can suggest whether AKKA http or AKKA Cluster or AKKA HTTP+Cluster 
> is the better option in the given scenario ?
>

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Re: [akka-user][deprecated] Re: [akka-user] Announcing discuss.akka.io!

[Alan Burlison]

On 16/03/18 11:17, Johan Andrén wrote:


Sorry to hear that you dislike Discuss so much you won't be coming along
there Alan.


I've tried to use it and thereby over time come to like it, but it's 
vile and I won't use it unless I personally have a specific question 
that I need an answer for - I certainly won't be following the 
discussions the way I do on the email list. I've learned a lot about 
Akka by simply reading the email list traffic but I won't use Discuss 
for that - sorry.



What we have found is that the lack of searching and categories and easy
navigation on the mailing list made users, especially newcomers, ask the
same questions over and over again. We in the core Akka team spend quite
some time moderating and answering questions here and we want a tool where
we (and others in the community ofc) can help as many users as possible
with minimum effort. We think that the categories and tags etc. in discuss
will help us do that. We also hope this will help reduce some of the noise
in the Gitter channels.


I think the 'unsearchable email archives' is a convenient myth and that 
newbies will ask the same questions over and over anyway, irrespective 
of where they ask them. As for categories and tags - that relies on 
people actually using them correctly, and you have no way of ensuring 
that the wider community does. I've been on your end of this situation 
myself and we provided forums but in general technical people hated them 
and wouldn't use them, so they died. And the Discuss developers have 
already said they think email lists are an abomination and won't improve 
Discuss's support for them so the half-hearted and useless support for 
them that's there is not going to get better either.


It will probably reduce your workload but not for the reason you are 
hoping for - if the volume of interaction plummets then sure yes, your 
problem will have gone :-/



In addition to that we also see synergies in bringing the Lagom and Play
communities closer, this may be a bigger gain for those projects as they
are to some extent built on top of Akka but it also brings benefits to the
Akka community in growing it, hopefully leading to more people being able
to help out and answer questions, that may previously have been lurking in
the other two project mailing lists only.


I think you are going to be disappointed - if people don't contribute to 
email lists they are even less likely to do so for forums because it 
takes so much more time to use a clunky web UI to do so.



I don't think this will change your mind, but felt that the picture you
painted was a bit unfair and I wanted to clarify that this was a move
driven by us engineers.


It won't, and as I said I don't expect you'll change your collective 
decision either because you are way too far down the line to do so. 
However I think it's a huge misstep - I've seen no traffic on the 
mailing list demanding you close it down and replace it with Discuss 
(https://groups.google.com/forum/#!searchin/akka-user/discuss$20%7Csort:date 
- oh look, a searchable archive!) but you've done so anyway. The lack of 
discussion (pun intended) doesn't exactly send a positive message to 
your community.


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[akka-user][deprecated] Re: [akka-user] Announcing discuss.akka.io!

[Johan Andrén]

Sorry to hear that you dislike Discuss so much you won't be coming along 
there Alan.

I'd like to point out though that the decision to move to a forum was in 
fact not at something coming from a pointy haired boss but rather something 
we had discussed internally in the team for quite some while.

What we have found is that the lack of searching and categories and easy 
navigation on the mailing list made users, especially newcomers, ask the 
same questions over and over again. We in the core Akka team spend quite 
some time moderating and answering questions here and we want a tool where 
we (and others in the community ofc) can help as many users as possible 
with minimum effort. We think that the categories and tags etc. in discuss 
will help us do that. We also hope this will help reduce some of the noise 
in the Gitter channels.

In addition to that we also see synergies in bringing the Lagom and Play 
communities closer, this may be a bigger gain for those projects as they 
are to some extent built on top of Akka but it also brings benefits to the 
Akka community in growing it, hopefully leading to more people being able 
to help out and answer questions, that may previously have been lurking in 
the other two project mailing lists only.

I don't think this will change your mind, but felt that the picture you 
painted was a bit unfair and I wanted to clarify that this was a move 
driven by us engineers.

..
Johan Andrén
Akka Team

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[akka-user][deprecated] Re: [akka-user] Announcing discuss.akka.io!

[Alan Burlison]

On 13/03/18 13:58, Konrad 'ktoso' Malawski wrote:

We took this decision after much thought, debate and considering the 
various up and down sides of handling it very seriously. We know that a 
mailing list work-flow is very precious for people used to working with 
them (plenty of us including), however in order to grow the community as a 
whole, and also help making the discussions on such forum more searchable 
and accessible, we decided that this move will be beneficial for everyone 
involved. 



If you enjoy working with mailing-lists, and would like to continue
to do so with the new forums, please have a look at the hints in the
Discuss Meta  topics, where we
prepared hints on how to set up the notifications to work as-if a
mailing list 



Which says:


Warning about the “mailing list mode”

While Discourse offers a so-called “mailing list mode” that you can
enable in your email settings in your preferences this mode is “all
in”, and will deliver you emails for all categories in this forum. If
your tagging and filtering skills are good, you may indeed want to
try the mailing list mode and set up filters in your email client
fine tuned such as you would normally. If you find a setup that works
well for you, please do share it so others may also benefit from your
findings.

Since this forum is shared between various tech, you most likely will
find this style of interaction too noisy. We instead recommend tuning
the notification settings, with combination of watching categories2
for an optimal user experience.


In other words, despite what's said in the announcement there is no 
useable emailing mode in Discourse. This must be the 4th or 5th mailing 
list that I've been on that's been replaced by Discourse, and I've 
learned not to argue against it because switching to Discourse seems to 
accompanied by be some sort of religious conviction about how much 
better it is, which it is futile to argue against.


What I will observe is that in the other cases I've seen the switch made 
the usefulness of the forum plummets because the people with experience 
and who provide much of the benefit simply don't make the transition to 
Discourse as it requires visiting yet another website and trawling 
through a clunky web interface to see if there's anything interesting 
and they simply don't have the time or patience to do that. As a result 
the conversation rapidly degenerates to really basic "How do I get X to 
work" questions that would be better off on Stack Overflow.


Looking at the https://discuss.lightbend.com site it's clear that 
Lightbend have made a corporate-level decision to abandon mailing lists 
and switch to Discourse, presumably because the PHBs think Facebookising 
the interactions between Lightbend and their community looks prettier. 
That's a shame, as I certainly won't be using it.


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Alan Burlison
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