2013/5/28 Josselin Mouette j...@debian.org:
Nobody,
I repeat, nobody, ever reads local mail on most desktop systems
I read mail from my desktop :-)
It is forwarded to my gmail account
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At the risk of adding another level of indirection, we could add a
meta-init format that can generate an appropriate file for any of these.
http://xkcd.com/927/
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2013/5/23 Helmut Grohne hel...@subdivi.de:
* stdout/stderr to syslog redirection
This is possibly implementable, but needs more than a line of shell.
In Solaris SMF each service has its own log file with SMF messages
*and* all stdout/stderr
pashev@bok:~$ find /var/log/svc/
/var/log/svc/
Put git updates as a patch, e. g. debian/patches/git-update.patch
Bump debian part of version as usual.
AFAIK python is packaged in this way
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so still I think patching the .pc containing already
-I/usr/include/visp to append
-I/usr/include/`dpkg-architecture -qDEB_HOST_MULTIARCH` is necessary...
AFAIK gcc searchs /usr/include/$(DEB_HOST_MULTIARCH) first.
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Hi all,
I'm updating several Java packages where the source package generates
two binaries, libfoo-java with the compiled jars and libfoo-java-doc
with the documentation. Lintian often complains about the missing
upstream changelog
2013/5/14 Raphael Hertzog hert...@debian.org:
But ansgar's objection about the duplication of the changelog in multiple
.deb when it used to be shared via a symlink also makes sense. As does the
fact that there's currently no way to not install some control files.
What about creating symlinks
2013/5/14 Raphael Hertzog hert...@debian.org:
But ansgar's objection about the duplication of the changelog in multiple
.deb when it used to be shared via a symlink also makes sense. As does the
fact that there's currently no way to not install some control files.
What about creating symlinks
2013/5/14 Raphael Hertzog hert...@debian.org:
But ansgar's objection about the duplication of the changelog in multiple
.deb when it used to be shared via a symlink also makes sense. As does the
fact that there's currently no way to not install some control files.
What about creating symlinks
2013/5/14 Raphael Hertzog hert...@debian.org:
But ansgar's objection about the duplication of the changelog in multiple
.deb when it used to be shared via a symlink also makes sense. As does the
fact that there's currently no way to not install some control files.
What about creating symlinks
2013/5/13 Philipp Kern pk...@debian.org:
On Mon, May 13, 2013 at 08:46:23AM +0100, Roger Leigh wrote:
There is no need for udev to be dependent upon a specific init
system, other than laziness.
Except if you want to receive device plug events as triggers to start
up / shut down services. The
2013/5/14 Игорь Пашев pashev.i...@gmail.com:
2013/5/13 Philipp Kern pk...@debian.org:
On Mon, May 13, 2013 at 08:46:23AM +0100, Roger Leigh wrote:
There is no need for udev to be dependent upon a specific init
system, other than laziness.
Except if you want to receive device plug events
2013/5/12 Stéphane Glondu glo...@debian.org:
What about /etc ? /var ? both contain data that can mess up with a
running system...
All go into a snapshot.
That's why I stand for moving /var/lib/mysql and similar things out of /var
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2013/5/12 John Paul Adrian Glaubitz glaub...@physik.fu-berlin.de:
Honestly, you simply can't expect every single package in Debian to run on
any of the supported kernels. If systemd profits from the use of
Linux-specific kernel features, which is a good thing in my humble opinion
because Linux
2013/5/11 Aron Xu a...@debian.org:
An easy example is that, on Solaris, there is a something called boot
environment (BE), which is essentially snapshots of the combination of
/usr and /boot, users can switch between different BEs easily without
affecting any user data. Without /usr merge,
2013/5/11 Josselin Mouette j...@debian.org:
We have had two releases with kfreebsd, which failed to
provide anything usable. Debian is only about Linux, and has always
been.
I have some news about it ;-)
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GNOME depends on a working glibc, too. Does it dictate the C library?
Yes. Portability still makes sense. Portability is a part of the word
Free in Free Software.
Debian is about Free Software.
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mkdir -p debian/source
echo '3.0 (quilt)' debian/source/format
echo 9 debian/compat
dch --create
vim debian/control
vim debian/copyright
echo -e '#!/usr/bin/make -f\n\n%:\n\tdh $@\n' debian/rules
Don't be lazy :-)
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2013/5/8 Thorsten Glaser t...@debian.org:
Игорь Пашев pashev.igor at gmail.com writes:
What about moving default location for applications to /export ?
*NO*!
Maybe not /export, but /srv, which already exists, the idea is
separating system data and application data.
(Actually, I do not like
2013/5/8 Peter Samuelson pe...@p12n.org:
Wrong list, please bring this up instead on fhs-discuss. (If that
still exists - it looks a bit stale - but anyway, debian-devel is not
for FHS discussion.)
I'd like to have an open discussion.
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2013/5/8 Thomas Goirand z...@debian.org:
How about moving /home
into /usr?
I proposed exactly an opposite thing for databases :-)
If do not like /usr/home, you might not like to have your data under
/var/lib ;-)
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2013/5/8 Josselin Mouette j...@debian.org:
The FHS has the perfect place for such data: /srv. I agree we should
move the data there, but there is no reason to invent a new place.
Yeah. /export was my typo ;-)
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2013/5/8 Andrey Rahmatullin w...@wrar.name:
On Wed, May 08, 2013 at 03:51:33PM +0800, Thomas Goirand wrote:
How about moving /etc into /home? How about moving /home
into /usr?
Note that / was moved to /usr and /usr to /home just for HDD size reasons
[1].
[1]:
=== BEFORE =
$ sudo apt-get install dbus
Reading package lists... Done
Building dependency tree
Reading state information... Done
Suggested packages:
dbus-x11
The following NEW packages will be installed:
dbus
0 upgraded, 1 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not
2013/5/8 Bastian Blank wa...@debian.org:
On Tue, May 07, 2013 at 07:49:37PM +0400, Игорь Пашев wrote:
Does it matter? If libselinux depends on libpcre3, libpcre3 will be pulled.
I believed all libraries are optional.
Please re-read the policy, especially 2.5:
| Packages must not depend
What about merging / and /usr ?
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2013/5/7 Paul Tagliamonte paul...@debian.org:
Not when you have a 500 meg internal storage that the firmware boots off
of, and using a multi-gig CF card to store the mega-awesome-app you're
using it for.
Similar to Live CDs where /usr used to be compressed on a CD?
2013/5/7 Laurent Bigonville bi...@debian.org:
Hello,
As Guillem asked me in a bug report (#695620), I'm bringing this to
debian-devel.
The latest version of libselinux is now using libpcre3 instead of the
regex functions from the glibc. This is improving the performances
quite
Currently /var/lib contains data for system utilities (dpkg, apt,
aptitute) and for user application like databases.
What about moving default location for applications to /export ?
Think about modern fs like btrfs and zfs:
One may want to create a snapshot of the entire system, user data
Hi, I think I know one more issue related to this, correct me if it is not.
This might be a problem for systemd, but I will talk about SMF [1] and
concrete example - dbus.
1. dbus package includes SMF manifest
2. for dbus service to appear, its manifest should be imported
3. importing manifests
2013/5/7 Michael Biebl bi...@debian.org:
We don't use dpkg triggers to start (systemd) services.
Hm?
http://anonscm.debian.org/gitweb/?p=pkg-systemd/systemd.git;a=blob;f=debian/systemd.triggers;h=f6c3c0ce0da08815f366868d3b3a3f9e5907875f;hb=refs/heads/debian
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2013/5/7 Michael Biebl bi...@debian.org:
If you actually looked at the package, you would have noticed that it has
nothing to do with starting services.
Maybe, systemctl enable does not start the service?
Main question is: can triggers be activated before package is
configured (namely
2013/5/6 Andrey Rahmatullin w...@wrar.name:
There is also a related thing that was discussed in the past: stop
disabling services via /etc/default.
Modern service management systems might be better choice.
E. g. systemd or SMF :-P
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Hi, all!
In a shadow of Debian 7 release, Dyson - a Debian port to illumos kernel -
became self-hosted and now has an installer :-)
http://osdyson.org/projects/dyson/wiki/Dyson_Installer
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2013/5/6 Adam Borowski kilob...@angband.pl:
I just tried it and ported some stuff to it, it seems that its libc is
pretty bizarre. For example math functions in C++ require quite a bunch
of manual work (you need to explicitely cast all arguments unless they
happen to be float, double or long
Hi, I have a bug report from Debian [1].
open-axiom seems to hangs in calcutaions of high-order Legendre
polynomial coefficients.
I have reproduced this on Gentoo too. Can't check lastest version, thought.
Quoting:
8 ==
(1) - p(0) == 1
Why not use void?
(void) write(STDOUT_FILENO, buf, c);
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Now, /usr/share/perl5/Dpkg/Shlibs.pm defines default library search path as:
use constant DEFAULT_LIBRARY_PATH =
qw(/lib /usr/lib /lib32 /usr/lib32 /lib64 /usr/lib64
/emul/ia32-linux/lib /emul/ia32-linux/usr/lib);
and adds multiarch dirs only for crosscompiling:
if
2013/4/16 Paul Wise p...@debian.org:
On Tue, Apr 16, 2013 at 7:34 PM, Игорь Пашев wrote:
Now, /usr/share/perl5/Dpkg/Shlibs.pm defines default library search path as:
Sounds like a topic for the debian-dpkg list?
No.
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2013/4/16 Raphael Hertzog hert...@debian.org:
On Tue, 16 Apr 2013, Игорь Пашев wrote:
I think it would be better to add multiarch dirs to DEFAULT_LIBRARY_PATH,
and put them in first positions.
Why?
This modules tries to mimick ld.so's logic to find libraries as closely
as possible.
/lib
2013/4/16 Neil Williams codeh...@debian.org:
On Tue, 16 Apr 2013 16:11:24 +0400
No - there's confusion here between the runtime link path and the
build time link path. Dpkg::Shlibs at the point quoted is concerned
with the build time paths. Where to find the stuff which has been
linked
2013/4/16 Neil Williams codeh...@debian.org:
On Tue, 16 Apr 2013 16:11:24 +0400
No - there's confusion here between the runtime link path and the
build time link path. Dpkg::Shlibs at the point quoted is concerned
with the build time paths. Where to find the stuff which has been
linked
2013/4/14 Tom Browder tom.brow...@gmail.com:
I am trying to get a package in shape for BRL-CAD which currently
tests only an out-of-tree build. Can anyone point to an example of
such a requirement being implemented in an existing Debian package?
Debhelper has options -B for build dir and -S
Could anybody point me to the way how package migration from unstable to testing
is implemented in Debian. I need very simple scheme:
1. Upload to unstable (not Debian, of course)
2. Iff a package if XXX days old on unstable, add this package to testing
(like if this package is uploaded to
I: CC
IA: pashev.i...@gmail.com
IF: Please, CC me (%s)
Progress, reported by debootstrap does not look monotonic.
Do I miss something?
.
254
255 P: 2243294 76407470
256
257 P: 2289076 76407470 - HERE
258
259 I: VALIDATING
260
261 IA: aptitude
262
263 IF:
Progress, reported by debootstrap does not look monotonic.
Do I miss something?
.
254
255 P: 2243294 76407470
256
257 P: 2289076 76407470 - HERE
258
259 I: VALIDATING
260
261 IA: aptitude
262
263 IF: Validating %s
264
265 I: RETRIEVING
266
267 IA:
I've just realized that debian/rules might not be a makefile, but can
be a script in any language.
Is there any package using debian/rules whihc is not a makefile?
Are there any packages that can get advantages by using debian/rules
written in bash/perl/python/etc?
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2013/4/5 Adam Borowski kilob...@angband.pl:
The policy says
Indeed.
So, in any case one can use its own tool just like dh:
%:
debian/megatool $@
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2013/4/3 Aleksej Saushev a...@inbox.ru:
Even CentOS uses 4.4 or even 4.2 as their main compiler
I think keyword here is main.
One can use CXX variable for ./configure
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2013/4/3 Gabriel Dos Reis g...@integrable-solutions.net:
Hi,
For trunk (and therefore OpenAxiom-1.5.0) I would like to
require C++11 -- we've already switched to C++, but we
were using C++03.
There are decent support for this version of the language
out there (e.g. C++, Clang++, EDG, etc.)
Hi, all.
While trying to build GRUB on illumos [*-pc-solaris2.11], I've found that
for different absolute addresses (-Wl,-Ttext -Wl,ADDR) objcopy -O binary
produces different objects files, but it is expected to be the same.
Test script see at the bottom.
I've checked it with binutils 2.22 on
2013/3/30 Игорь Пашев pashev.i...@gmail.com:
Hi, all.
While trying to build GRUB on illumos [*-pc-solaris2.11], I've found that
for different absolute addresses (-Wl,-Ttext -Wl,ADDR) objcopy -O binary
produces different objects files, but it is expected to be the same.
Building grub-legacy
Actually, grub-legacy is buildable... Probably, some patches make it possible.
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2013/3/30 Jeff Epler jep...@unpythonic.net:
This is something to do with the .note.gnu.build-id.
Both of these alternatives give three identical object files:
Removing this section in objcopy:
$OBJCOPY -R .note.gnu.build-id ...
Or requesting that the linker not generate it in the first
Hi, all!
It was a long and hard way, but here it is. The new LiveCD.
http://osdyson.org/news/20
This is the last stage before creating installable port of Debian on illumos.
What is Dyson - http://osdyson.org/projects/dyson/wiki
It uses 64-bit (amd64) illumos kernel, libc (not glibc yet), and
Suddenly, I've found that grub2 knows about kopensolaris [1]
Could anybody say how it happened?
Any experience on using Grub2 with ZFS root?
And even more: on OpenSolaris?
[1] http://packages.debian.org/source/sid/grub2
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I'm creating packages with programs which use some directories for
persistent data.
E. g. dladm will use /etc/dladm to save data in.
What is the best way to ship such a diretory:
in package (d/foo.dirs) or create in postinst script?
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2013/3/10 Andrey Rahmatullin w...@wrar.name:
On Sun, Mar 10, 2013 at 04:24:52PM +0400, Игорь Пашев wrote:
I'm creating packages with programs which use some directories for
persistent data.
E. g. dladm will use /etc/dladm to save data in.
The proper path is /var/lib/dladm.
Sorry, I
Hi, Saulo!
I think this helps = http://mentors.debian.net/intro-maintainers
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2013/2/25 Joachim Langenbach joachim.langenb...@engsas.de:
Without the dependencies to binary packages defined in this package (like
dependency of libengsas0-common from libengsas0), right?
I think libengsas0-common should be kept.
Also, probably 0 should be removed from its name:
2013/2/12 Colin Watson cjwat...@debian.org:
There is, as far as I can see, no code in dh_installman that forces the
section to upper-case.
I guess this is due to .TH
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2013/2/12 Colin Watson cjwat...@debian.org:
IMO it's rational to patch manual pages to lower-case the section in
such cases, and forward that patch upstream so you don't need to
continue maintaining it. You'd have to do the same thing if they
specified an entirely wrong section number, which
Hi all.
Some manpages describe several utilities in one page,
so I have to create symlink for manpages, e. g. dcopy.1.gz - clri.1.gz
(while clri.1.gz is installed with dh_installman).
The thing I concern it that I need to know exact file name for link target.
If I write foo.1m in d/XXX.manpages,
2013/2/11 Kartik Mistry kartik.mis...@gmail.com:
On Mon, Feb 11, 2013 at 4:48 PM, Игорь Пашев pashev.i...@gmail.com wrote:
Is there any handy way to link manpages? That is I could just write
`bar` is described in `foo`. I know about .so, but looks urgly because
debhelper finally replaces
2013/2/11 Jakub Wilk jw...@debian.org:
The thing I concern it that I need to know exact file name for link
target.
Why is that a problem?
Because final file name is out of my control :-)
It is controlled by dh_installman and dh_compress
I have foo.1 in d/xxx.manpages, and only want to have
Does it make sense?
1. Extend d/xxx.manpages to form:
bar.1 foo.1
2. dh_installman will create symlink bar.1 - foo.1
3. dh_compress will take care of symlinks, e. i.:
a) compress foo.1 to foo.1.gz (or whatever)
b) rm bar.1
c) create symlink bar.1.gz - foo.1.gz
I remember such a thing in
And http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-docs.html
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a) compress foo.1 to foo.1.gz (or whatever)
b) rm bar.1
c) create symlink bar.1.gz - foo.1.gz
hm.. dh_compress does it already.
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2013/2/11 Arno Töll a...@debian.org:
Hi,
On 11.02.2013 13:46, Игорь Пашев wrote:
I have foo.1 in d/xxx.manpages, and only want to have
bar.1 - foo.1, no matter where foo.1 get its location
or how it is compressed.
You should not use symlinks, but source pages such tasks [1].
Install
2013/2/6 Chow Loong Jin hyper...@debian.org:
On 07/02/2013 01:35, Thomas Goirand wrote:
Which would be the wrong way of doing things / wrong reason
for using root as running user, since you can set the
CAP_NET_BIND_SERVICE capability... (man capabilities ...)
Yeah, I figured as much, but
The package llvm-3.0-source includes tarball /usr/src/llvm-3.0/llvm-3.0.tar.xz.
This tarball seems to include original llvm sources without Debian patches.
clang-3.0 uses that tarball to build itself, obviously without Debian patches.
Should llvm source package include *patched* sources?
Or, at
2013/1/30 Marc Haber mh+debian-de...@zugschlus.de:
On Wed, 30 Jan 2013 16:25:12 +, Steve McIntyre st...@einval.com
wrote:
To be fair, it's similar in reverse. Some Debian developers prefer to
_not_ install Ruby *at all*. Given how utterly awful the internals of
the language implementation
So, is it ok?
Index: screen/tty.sh
===
--- screen.orig/tty.sh 2013-01-27 02:16:57.916935245 +
+++ screen/tty.sh 2013-01-27 02:33:12.831241123 +
@@ -1506,11 +1506,21 @@
char *tty;
{
struct stat st;
+ char * real;
I guess you meant PATH_MAX here, in any case POSIX does not guarantee
MAX variables to be defined, it would be better to use the POSIX.1-2008
variant of realpath(3) that allocates when passed a NULL (by checking
if it's available at configure time).
I thought my libc did not support it, but
So, do you mean it is good to do realpath() and only then stat() etc.?
CheckTtyname (tty)
{
realpath;
check real path;
}
?
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The patch fo screen.cc [1] introduces the function CheckTtyname():
int
CheckTtyname (tty)
char *tty;
{
struct stat st;
if (lstat(tty, st) || !S_ISCHR(st.st_mode) ||
(st.st_nlink 1 strncmp(tty, /dev/, 5)))
return -1;
return 0;
Did I break anything?
Too paranoid?
Index: screen/tty.sh
===
--- screen.orig/tty.sh 2013-01-26 07:55:33.092171499 +
+++ screen/tty.sh 2013-01-26 08:56:34.254462991 +
@@ -1505,12 +1505,29 @@
CheckTtyname (tty)
char
I'd rather drop checking for path at all.
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What is the defference:
1. Insert a new stage between stable and testing
and
2. double the period of automatic migration from unstable to testing?
m? :-)
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dpkg-deb -x systemtap-sdt-dev_1.7-1+b1_amd64.deb .
This only lists the contents without unpacking:
deb -I systemtap-sdt-dev_1.7-1+b1_amd64.deb
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2012/12/22 John Paul Adrian Glaubitz glaub...@physik.fu-berlin.de:
Hi,
I am currently trying to figure out how to get the new UAE fork
fs-uae [1] ready for Debian and I haven't yet found a satisfiable
way to build the package.
fs-uae itself is written in C, but it ships together with a
2012/12/7 Andrei POPESCU andreimpope...@gmail.com
This is list is for development of Debian, your question should be
posted on debian-user instead (or one of the debian-user-language
lists).
This makes me think that the right list have been choosen: :-)
I have ported debian-squeeze on my
2012/12/3 Nick Andrik nick.and...@gmail.com:
The problem is that I ran dput yesterday but the package dis not
appear in my packages on mentor (I didn't even receive an email).
I guess it got stuck somewhere in the incoming queue.
I read somewhere that it takes 6 hours to get unstuck, but still
Guys, it looks like you are looking for The Silver Bullet.
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2012/12/3 Nick Andrik nick.and...@gmail.com:
The problem is that I ran dput yesterday but the package dis not
appear in my packages on mentor (I didn't even receive an email).
I guess it got stuck somewhere in the incoming queue.
I read somewhere that it takes 6 hours to get unstuck, but still
2012/12/2 Vincent Lefevre vinc...@vinc17.net:
No, that's not sufficient. You may want relations between key-value
pair. For instance, if you have a line with a key foo, then a line
with a key bar must also exist. Or a line with a key number must
have a value that is a number (more generally
Hi, all.
For obvious reasons I cannot find [in the Net] a way how to setup a
package browser
similar to one used at http://packages.debian.org or at
http://packages.ubuntu.com
Could anybody point me in the right direction?
Once again: I'd like to have debian package browser on my site.
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Hi!
The source code for packages.debian.org is available in this git
repository:
http://anonscm.debian.org/gitweb/?p=webwml/packages.git;a=summary
Thanks!
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2012/11/29 Wouter Verhelst wou...@debian.org:
glibc and the kernel is developed by the same group of companies. Both
interact very closely and integration of the sources was the natural
consequence.
Please, *DONT* :-)
I've tired of this crap on illumos
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Package: debhelper
Version: 9.20120909
Severity:minor
dh_installman uses command man --version to detect whether it is the right man
to use the --recode options later [1].
Since man-db is the man of Debian it is ok. But frankly speaking, this
code is wrong.
defined `foo` returns false *only* if
Oh, sorry. If it is a test for presence of man (not a feature test) it
is ok. But still useless, because
debhelper depends on man-db.
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Hi there!
I see many note in this list like:
I'm registered to the list. So please *do not* Cc: me.
So I'd like to note:
1. Some e-mail cleints make it hard not to CC. For example GMail has only
two options: reply and reply to all. Reply will send email to the author,
not to the list
2. Some
2012/11/14 Philip Ashmore cont...@philipashmore.com
simple format which, like xml, is human-readable
XML is not human-readable :-)
I took OpenIndiana and started to rebuild Debian packages ignoring formal
dependencies.
Each new package was install via dpkg-deb -x :-)
Thouth version tag might be a good idea, the issue with GNU ld is going to
be fixed:
http://sourceware.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=12548
2012/10/10 Igor Pashev pashev.i...@gmail.com
Package: libpcap0.8
Version: 1.3.0-1
Severity: normal
Dear Maintainer,
libpcap is patched to use version
/* Please CC me */
Currently functions __xmlDoValidityCheckingDefaultValue()
and __xmlLoadExtDtdDefaultValue() has no version symbol.
This can cause an issue:
Suppose libxml is linked with GNU ld and libxml consumer is linked with
solaris ld.
Solaris ld always assing base version to unversioned
These are not *linux* problems.
2012/11/3 Andrey Rahmatullin w...@wrar.name
On Sat, Nov 03, 2012 at 07:30:00PM +, Ben Hutchings wrote:
Don't feed the troll.
It's not trolling.
It's a honest list of problems which a lot of developers don't view as
problems.
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One of the library that I'm packaging uses DTD (Document Type Definition)
for XML,
placed into separate file.
I have two questions:
1. Should I put that DTD file into separated -arch all - package, like
libfool-data?
2. Where to put that DTD file? /usr/share/xml/dtd/ ?
2012/10/30 Paul Wise p...@debian.org
I guess your answers can be found by reading the XML policy:
http://debian-xml-sgml.alioth.debian.org/xml-policy/
Thank you.
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Do not kick me, but in Solaris, there are :
1) special ELF section .SUNW_ldynsym extending .dynsym [1]
2) .SUNW_ctf with CTF data [2]
3) Function args are saved in stack for amd64
But from my point all it exists because Solaris lacks robust
package manager :-)
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