Re: [ovs-discuss] OVN: scaling L2 networks beyond 10k chassis - issues

2023-10-04 Thread Robin Jarry via discuss
Hi Mark, Mark Michelson, Oct 03, 2023 at 23:09: Hi Robin, Thanks a bunch for putting these two emails together. I've read through them and the replies. I think there's one major issue: a lack of data. That's my concern as well... The problem is, it is very hard to get reliable and

Re: [ovs-discuss] OVN: scaling L2 networks beyond 10k chassis - proposals

2023-10-04 Thread Robin Jarry via discuss
Hi Felix, Felix Huettner, Oct 04, 2023 at 09:24: > Hi Robin, > > i'll try to answer what i can. > > On Tue, Oct 03, 2023 at 09:22:53AM +0200, Robin Jarry via discuss wrote: > > Hi all, > > > > Felix Huettner, Oct 02, 2023 at 09:35: > > > Hi everyone,

Re: [ovs-discuss] OVN: scaling L2 networks beyond 10k chassis - proposals

2023-10-03 Thread Robin Jarry via discuss
Frode Nordahl, Oct 02, 2023 at 10:05: > > I must admit I don't have enough field experience operating large > > network fabrics to state what issues multicast can cause with these. > > This is why I raised this in the cons list :) > > > > What specific issues did you have in mind? > > It has been

Re: [ovs-discuss] OVN: scaling L2 networks beyond 10k chassis - proposals

2023-10-03 Thread Robin Jarry via discuss
Hi all, Felix Huettner, Oct 02, 2023 at 09:35: > Hi everyone, > > just want to add my experience below > On Sun, Oct 01, 2023 at 03:49:31PM -0700, Han Zhou wrote: > > On Sun, Oct 1, 2023 at 12:34 PM Robin Jarry wrote: > > > > > > Hi Han, > > > > > > Please see my comments/questions inline. > > >

Re: [ovs-discuss] OVN: scaling L2 networks beyond 10k chassis - issues

2023-10-02 Thread Robin Jarry via discuss
Han Zhou, Oct 01, 2023 at 21:30: > Please note that tunnels are needed not only between nodes related to same > logical switches, but also when they are related to different logical > switches connected by logical routers (even multiple LR+LS hops away). Yep. > To clarify a little more,

Re: [ovs-discuss] OVN: scaling L2 networks beyond 10k chassis - proposals

2023-10-01 Thread Robin Jarry via discuss
Hi Han, Please see my comments/questions inline. Han Zhou, Sep 30, 2023 at 21:59: > > Distributed mac learning > > > > > > Use one OVS bridge per logical switch with mac learning enabled. Only > > create the bridge if the logical switch has a port bound to the local > >

Re: [ovs-discuss] OVN: scaling L2 networks beyond 10k chassis - issues

2023-10-01 Thread Robin Jarry via discuss
Hi Han, thanks a lot for your detailed answer. Han Zhou, Sep 30, 2023 at 01:03: > > I think ovn-controller only consumes the logical flows. The chassis and > > port bindings tables are used by northd to updated these logical flows. > > Felix was right. For example, port-binding is firstly a

Re: [ovs-discuss] OVN: scaling L2 networks beyond 10k chassis - proposals

2023-09-30 Thread Robin Jarry via discuss
Hi Vladislav, Frode, Thanks for your replies. Frode Nordahl, Sep 30, 2023 at 10:55: > On Sat, Sep 30, 2023 at 9:43 AM Vladislav Odintsov via discuss > wrote: > > > On 29 Sep 2023, at 18:14, Robin Jarry via discuss > > > wrote: > > > > >

Re: [ovs-discuss] OVN: scaling L2 networks beyond 10k chassis - proposals

2023-09-29 Thread Robin Jarry via discuss
Felix Huettner, Sep 29, 2023 at 15:23: > > Distributed mac learning > > [snip] > > > > Cons: > > > > - How to manage seamless upgrades? > > - Requires ovn-controller to move/plug ports in the correct bridge. > > - Multiple openflow connections (one per managed bridge). > >

Re: [ovs-discuss] OVN: scaling L2 networks beyond 10k chassis - issues

2023-09-29 Thread Robin Jarry via discuss
Hi Felix, Thanks a lot for your message. Felix Huettner, Sep 29, 2023 at 14:35: > I can get that when running 10k ovn-controllers the benefits of > optimizing cpu and memory load are quite significant. However i am > unsure about reducing the footprint of ovn-northd. > When running so many nodes

[ovs-discuss] OVN: scaling L2 networks beyond 10k chassis - proposals

2023-09-28 Thread Robin Jarry via discuss
Hello OVN community, This is a follow up on the message I have sent today [1]. That second part focuses on some ideas I have to remove the limitations that were mentioned in the previous email. [1] https://mail.openvswitch.org/pipermail/ovs-discuss/2023-September/052695.html If you didn't read

[ovs-discuss] OVN: scaling L2 networks beyond 10k chassis - issues

2023-09-28 Thread Robin Jarry via discuss
Hello OVN community, I'm glad the subject of this message has caught your attention :-) I would like to start a discussion about how we could improve OVN on the following topics: * Reduce the memory and CPU footprint of ovn-controller, ovn-northd. * Support scaling of L2 connectivity across