Re: [all-audio] Zoom H1 and other handy recorders

[Hamit Campos]

True that. I was only pointing out Olympus lists bird watching as 1 of 
the uses for the LS-100. Also how to me some recorders are brighter then 
others. Heck as Tascam and Roland have been brought up too I've heard 
nature stuff on those too. They are pretty good. The most popular being 
the Tascam DR 40 or th Mark 100 version 3 now.



On 4/5/2018 11:29 AM, Dane Trethowan wrote:
All recorders we've talked about here will certainly capture bird 
sounds faithfully and you'll most likely want to take advantage of 96K 
24-bit to do that job.




On 5/04/2018 8:58 PM, Anders Holmberg wrote:

Hi Hamit!
It was just stupid little me.
Well, i want to capture birds mostly or maybe other sounds.
Maybe the ls100 but i have to have the budget first.
/A


4 apr. 2018 kl. 22:14 skrev Hamit Campos :

Yeah I guess I just always bring up the 100 cause I prefer studio 
audio. But also and I did as I'm fixsated with studio pro quality if 
this person even needs XLR. Cause yeah really the 100 is 1 of the 
best choises if you want an accessible studio grade recorder. But 
Yeah for quick little record and go things the H1 may do. I guess 
this person and I'm sorry I can't remember who it was at the moment 
didn't tell us much of what they want to capture.



On 4/4/2018 2:11 PM, Dane Trethowan wrote:
I wouldn’t term this discussion accessible rather useable and the 
Zoom H1 is certainly very useable in fact the H1 doesn’t even have 
a menu system.
The LS-100 would most likely be overkill for a lot of people though 
its something than I can use.
I use the LS-100 inside as its so sirceptable to wind noise even 
with the Gutman windscreen applied so that’s a serious drawback to 
the recorder.



On 4 Apr 2018, at 11:52 pm, Hamit Campos  
wrote:


What do you mean by accessible? If you want speach may I recomend 
the Olympus LS-100? It's verry pro and it talks.



On 4/4/2018 6:49 AM, Anders Holmberg wrote:

Hi!
Well, i don’t see the need for it in my daily live but i do want 
a good accessible recorder that at least can do good recordings.

/A


3 apr. 2018 kl. 21:32 skrev Hamit Campos :

Dude I so want 1 too. I don't think Neal has. I haven't talked 
to him in a bit but a few months ago when I heard it on youtube 
and asked him he haddn't. Yeah this thing's epic. I'll have to 
look for it again but when I do find the Zoom vid of a bit 
recorded for a movie I'll send the link so ya all can hear the 
epicness.



On 4/3/2018 2:41 PM, Andy via Groups.Io wrote:

Hi all.

I'm seriously thinking of upgrading from my Zoom h6 to the new 
Zoome F8, 8 track digital recorder.


Anyone got one yet or do you know if Neil Ewars has completed a 
demo podcast on this monster?


Very best wishes.

Andy.
 From Scotland with Love.


























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[all-audio] Zoom H1 and other handy recorders

[Dane Trethowan]

All recorders we've talked about here will certainly capture bird sounds 
faithfully and you'll most likely want to take advantage of 96K 24-bit 
to do that job.




On 5/04/2018 8:58 PM, Anders Holmberg wrote:

Hi Hamit!
It was just stupid little me.
Well, i want to capture birds mostly or maybe other sounds.
Maybe the ls100 but i have to have the budget first.
/A


4 apr. 2018 kl. 22:14 skrev Hamit Campos :

Yeah I guess I just always bring up the 100 cause I prefer studio audio. But 
also and I did as I'm fixsated with studio pro quality if this person even 
needs XLR. Cause yeah really the 100 is 1 of the best choises if you want an 
accessible studio grade recorder. But Yeah for quick little record and go 
things the H1 may do. I guess this person and I'm sorry I can't remember who it 
was at the moment didn't tell us much of what they want to capture.


On 4/4/2018 2:11 PM, Dane Trethowan wrote:

I wouldn’t term this discussion accessible rather useable and the Zoom H1 is 
certainly very useable in fact the H1 doesn’t even have a menu system.
The LS-100 would most likely be overkill for a lot of people though its 
something than I can use.
I use the LS-100 inside as its so sirceptable to wind noise even with the 
Gutman windscreen applied so that’s a serious drawback to the recorder.



On 4 Apr 2018, at 11:52 pm, Hamit Campos  wrote:

What do you mean by accessible? If you want speach may I recomend the Olympus 
LS-100? It's verry pro and it talks.


On 4/4/2018 6:49 AM, Anders Holmberg wrote:

Hi!
Well, i don’t see the need for it in my daily live but i do want a good 
accessible recorder that at least can do good recordings.
/A


3 apr. 2018 kl. 21:32 skrev Hamit Campos :

Dude I so want 1 too. I don't think Neal has. I haven't talked to him in a bit 
but a few months ago when I heard it on youtube and asked him he haddn't. Yeah 
this thing's epic. I'll have to look for it again but when I do find the Zoom 
vid of a bit recorded for a movie I'll send the link so ya all can hear the 
epicness.


On 4/3/2018 2:41 PM, Andy via Groups.Io wrote:

Hi all.

I'm seriously thinking of upgrading from my Zoom h6 to the new Zoome F8, 8 
track digital recorder.

Anyone got one yet or do you know if Neil Ewars has completed a demo podcast on 
this monster?

Very best wishes.

Andy.
 From Scotland with Love.






















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[all-audio] Zoom H1 And other Handy Recorders

[Dane Trethowan]

The Olympus LS-P4 I now have is the smallest digital recorder I've seen 
though the smallest recorder I have in my collection is actually a Sony 
MZR-900 Minidisc recorder.




On 5/04/2018 8:53 PM, Anders Holmberg wrote:

Hi!
Yes i have seen that one.
Its a bit to big for me though.
I’d like something smaller.
Maybe this isn’t possible though.
/A


4 apr. 2018 kl. 20:08 skrev Dane Trethowan :

All the Zoom recorders do good recordings as far as I know and that’s something 
they all have in common.
I’ve mentioned the Zoom H1 recorder before and I mention it again , a 
perfect recorder if you’re on a budget.
I’ve had mine for nearly 8 years now and I’m still impressed with the quality 
of recording.
Yes the recorder has pros and cons like everything else for sure and is not 
perfect but for a sub $200 recorder its a bargain nevertheless.



On 4 Apr 2018, at 8:49 pm, Anders Holmberg  wrote:

Hi!
Well, i don’t see the need for it in my daily live but i do want a good 
accessible recorder that at least can do good recordings.
/A


3 apr. 2018 kl. 21:32 skrev Hamit Campos :

Dude I so want 1 too. I don't think Neal has. I haven't talked to him in a bit 
but a few months ago when I heard it on youtube and asked him he haddn't. Yeah 
this thing's epic. I'll have to look for it again but when I do find the Zoom 
vid of a bit recorded for a movie I'll send the link so ya all can hear the 
epicness.


On 4/3/2018 2:41 PM, Andy via Groups.Io wrote:

Hi all.

I'm seriously thinking of upgrading from my Zoom h6 to the new Zoome F8, 8 
track digital recorder.

Anyone got one yet or do you know if Neil Ewars has completed a demo podcast on 
this monster?

Very best wishes.

Andy.
 From Scotland with Love.





















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[all-audio] Zoom H1 And Other Handy Recorders

[Dane Trethowan]

Tascam make something similar to the Zoom F8 but the configuration is 
absolutely dreadful.


Firstly you can only record 2 inputs at a time even though the recorder 
supports 8 tracks that's nice and useful to start with I don't think, if 
I want multi track capabilities then I want the capability to record on 
all available tracks at once if possible so that's exactly why I 
purchased the Zoom H6.


Second, the Tascam machine would only record at 44.1KHZ 16-bit so how 
damn useful is that? Not particularly when you want to get the best 
quantisation out of your recording as you can.


Now I'm not saying Tascam sdoesn't make any good recorders still but 
what I am saying is that you'll probably have to empty your bank account 
to pay for something incredibly over valued and over priced.




On 5/04/2018 7:08 AM, Hamit Campos wrote:
Yeah I for 1 haven't seen any of those other recorders. I've heard 
some roland things and Tascam things on youtube and they do sound 
epic. But who knows how usable they are.



On 4/4/2018 5:01 PM, Joe Paton wrote:

Hi all,

What a most interesting thread this is.

Looking for a recorder to replace my ls14, a good machine, but not what
I need for outdoors.

While considering the zoom range, I mindful that roland r7, and a
variety of recorders from tascam should be considered.

Anybody got any thoughts?

I have almost removed the roland from my shopping list, two inaccessible
for my simple brain.

Thanks.

JP

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[all-audio] Zoom H1 and Other Handy Recorders

[Dane Trethowan]

Tascam recorders from what I've seen should certainly not be considered 
as Tascam likes taking shortcuts in build quality and design these days, 
yet another case of one "Big Boy" company just trading on what once was 
a great name in Audio recording.


If you're looking at outdoor recording then its not too much the 
recorder I'd be so worried about rahter purchasing yourself a good 
windscreen, I personally like the Gutman screens from Germany which are 
fairly cheap.


Hardly any point in buying a Zoom F8 or H6 unless you're going to be 
doing multi track recording which most people aren't interested in doing 
or needing to do and even then - suppose you think you might get into 
multi track mixing and so on - a standard 2 track recorder will probably 
exceed your expectations when used alongside your computer and some 
multi track audio software such as Reaper.




On 5/04/2018 7:01 AM, Joe Paton wrote:

Hi all,

What a most interesting thread this is.

Looking for a recorder to replace my ls14, a good machine, but not what
I need for outdoors.

While considering the zoom range, I mindful that roland r7, and a
variety of recorders from tascam should be considered.

Anybody got any thoughts?

I have almost removed the roland from my shopping list, two inaccessible
for my simple brain.

Thanks.

JP

Joe Paton
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Mobile: 0 7 9 6 7 3 8 2 9 6 4
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[all-audio] Zoom H1 and other handy recorders

[Dane Trethowan]

Course the other way to find out what's going on with the sampling rate 
of the Zoom H1 is to make some test files, load them into your Sound 
Editor and see what the sampling and bit rates are.


That way you can keep changing and testing until you have the 
configuration you want.




On 5/04/2018 6:58 AM, Hamit Campos wrote:
Oh that's a cool trick. Awesome I didn't know 1 could do that. That's 
epic! Though I don't use hearing ades that sounds like an epic idea.



On 4/4/2018 4:46 PM, Dane Trethowan wrote:
I'm assuming that most people won't want to bother with a studio 
grade recorder thus the H1 is quite a good option.


The only time things might be a little complicated with the Zoom H1 
is if you want to set sampling and bit rates which are easily done by 
using the up and down arrows during "Record Standby" mode which is 
the default mode.


By default the recorder is set to 44.1KHZ 16 bit so pressing down 
takes you to 96KHZ 24 bit whilst pressing up takes you to 44.1KHZ 24 
bit.


There are other ways to find out what sampling rate you're set to, 
you can use the induction loop pickup facility on your hearing 
instruments or an amp with a bare lead to hear differences in the 
speed of which the recorder writes to the card when recording, the 
quicker the speed then the higher the sampling and bit rate.


At 44.1KHZ the recorder writes to the SD card twice a second.

The Zoom H1 has a nice MP3 encoder if you prefer this and it may be 
useful for long recordings, the encoding goes up to 320K.


You switch between MP3 and Wave formats using one of the 3 mechanical 
toggle switches on the back, the other two control auto/manual record 
level and low-cut filter on/off.


And that's another think I'd advise against doing with the Zoom H1, 
don't use the Auto level setting and to be honest there's really no 
need to anyway.


Set the recorder to around 50% for input level and just use that.

Any level boost or normalisation can easily be done on your computer.



On 5/04/2018 6:14 AM, Hamit Campos wrote:
Yeah I guess I just always bring up the 100 cause I prefer studio 
audio. But also and I did as I'm fixsated with studio pro quality if 
this person even needs XLR. Cause yeah really the 100 is 1 of the 
best choises if you want an accessible studio grade recorder. But 
Yeah for quick little record and go things the H1 may do. I guess 
this person and I'm sorry I can't remember who it was at the moment 
didn't tell us much of what they want to capture.



On 4/4/2018 2:11 PM, Dane Trethowan wrote:
I wouldn’t term this discussion accessible rather useable and the 
Zoom H1 is certainly very useable in fact the H1 doesn’t even have 
a menu system.
The LS-100 would most likely be overkill for a lot of people though 
its something than I can use.
I use the LS-100 inside as its so sirceptable to wind noise even 
with the Gutman windscreen applied so that’s a serious drawback to 
the recorder.



On 4 Apr 2018, at 11:52 pm, Hamit Campos  
wrote:


What do you mean by accessible? If you want speach may I recomend 
the Olympus LS-100? It's verry pro and it talks.



On 4/4/2018 6:49 AM, Anders Holmberg wrote:

Hi!
Well, i don’t see the need for it in my daily live but i do want 
a good accessible recorder that at least can do good recordings.

/A


3 apr. 2018 kl. 21:32 skrev Hamit Campos :

Dude I so want 1 too. I don't think Neal has. I haven't talked 
to him in a bit but a few months ago when I heard it on youtube 
and asked him he haddn't. Yeah this thing's epic. I'll have to 
look for it again but when I do find the Zoom vid of a bit 
recorded for a movie I'll send the link so ya all can hear the 
epicness.



On 4/3/2018 2:41 PM, Andy via Groups.Io wrote:

Hi all.

I'm seriously thinking of upgrading from my Zoom h6 to the new 
Zoome F8, 8 track digital recorder.


Anyone got one yet or do you know if Neil Ewars has completed a 
demo podcast on this monster?


Very best wishes.

Andy.
 From Scotland with Love.

































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