[Alpine-l] Cyclamen Pleione
Sorry for the lack of signature. Brian and Jane are right. I am in Sherwood Oregon and I have signed this. Cyclamen: I measured one of my plants of C. hederifolium. The foliage spread is about 14, 35 cm. I poked around and the tuber seems to be about 10, 25.5 cm in diameter. I have not counted the flowers, sorry. The tubers from Smith Garden would have required a larger squat pot. It has been 20 years so memory is poor. They are practically a weed in some areas of both our garden and Smith Garden but the type of weed I like! We also grow C. coum and a nice pewter leafed form of hederifolium from Kath Dryden. I am willing to send David photos but I need an email address and a size of the photos. I don't have photos of the tubers, just the foliage. Pleione: I sold most of the collection in about 2004. I did keep a selection. Sorry to say that the collection was destroyed within the next 3 years. I did some hybridizing and kept several of those. I crossed two forms of P. grandaflora, a yellow lip and a yellow tube, and have those. Nothing notable but all nice. I also crossed two color forms of P.X barbara. At the time there was some controversy about the status of this. A color form of P. grandaflora or a hybrid. I though that if it was a hybrid and I crossed the two forms I should get a wide variation in the seedlings. I didn't. Brian said that he had pseudobulbs that were too large to fit in an egg cup. That is BIG. We have egg cups some place but I couldn't find them so I measured the pseudobulbs. A number are about 2.75, 7 cm tall and 1.5, 4 cm in diameter. That would fit in an egg cup but they are pretty big. It has been some time since I looked at Alpine-l as it was going to my 'junk' address. I did change that a few months ago. I should probably change to individual messages rather than digest.I like digest on the Yahoo groups as it groups messages by thread. Hope everyone survived the holiday season, Dick 'Red' Cavender, Red's Rhodies, Sherwood, Oregon, USA, Zone 8 r...@redsrhodies.com ___ Alpine-l mailing list Alpine-l@science.uu.nl http://mailman.science.uu.nl/mailman/listinfo/alpine-l
[Alpine-l] Cyclamen
I don't want to brag but we have C. hederifolium corms as big as dinner plates both in our garden and at the Cecil Molly Smith Garden. When we built the parking lot at SG some of the corms had to be put in 2 gallon pots.___ Alpine-l mailing list Alpine-l@science.uu.nl http://mailman.science.uu.nl/mailman/listinfo/alpine-l
Re: [Alpine-l] Cyclamen
Have you counted the number of flowers on one of these monsters? They are growing in St Paul, Oregon, between Portland and Salem. Diane Whitehead Victoria B.C. Canada On 2014-12-24, at 7:49 AM, occidentale wrote: I don't want to brag but we have C. hederifolium corms as big as dinner plates ___ Alpine-l mailing list Alpine-l@science.uu.nl http://mailman.science.uu.nl/mailman/listinfo/alpine-l
[Alpine-l] Cyclamen
Cyclamen graecum will not survive outside here in N. E. Scotland and under cold glass it is not happy - it seems to really demand frost free conditions in most of the UK so I can sympathise with Diane W's difficulties with the species. Happily we have had no such problems with the delightfully robust C. hederifolium. We were bequeathed a fifty year old C. hederifolium tuber which had lived under a heather bed all its life and was around 56cm in circumference when we moved it to our garden. It flowered for another twenty years before we foolishly tried to move it again. What a mistake to make - we felt awful - plant murderers! M. Y. ___ Alpine-l mailing list Alpine-l@science.uu.nl http://mailman.science.uu.nl/mailman/listinfo/alpine-l
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I think gardeners need a modestly-sized backhoe. I've had some of my plants transplanted by a local backhoe operator who works with amazing delicacy and precision. Of course, that's not to say I would be so successful if I had a small machine. Maybe I just need to keep hiring the big one. Diane On 2014-12-24, at 1:47 PM, Youngs Aberdeen wrote: hederifolium 56cm in circumference . It flowered for another twenty years before we foolishly tried to move it again. What a mistake to make - we felt awful - plant murderers! ___ Alpine-l mailing list Alpine-l@science.uu.nl http://mailman.science.uu.nl/mailman/listinfo/alpine-l
[Alpine-l] Cyclamen
I, too, miss the conversations on Alpine L. I was stunned by the size of the Cyclamen bulbs. I thought my four-inch bulbs were enormous. Oddly, though, the blooms seemed not to be comparatively larger. How strange! The point was made that she was protecting the bulbs from wet. Here in Tennessee we have forty-odd inches of rain a year, a lot in the winter. I have lost some of my bulbs and that may be the reason since they are doing so exceptionally well in a much dryer climate. Incidentally, I planted my bulbs about an inch underground, but they move to the surface and are easily seen with about half the bulb above ground. Elin Johnson ___ Alpine-l mailing list Alpine-l@science.uu.nl http://mailman.science.uu.nl/mailman/listinfo/alpine-l
Re: [Alpine-l] Cyclamen
I was stunned by the size of the Cyclamen bulbs. I thought my four-inch bulbs were enormous. Oddly, though, the blooms seemed not to be comparatively larger. How strange! You would not expect them to get larger, just more numerous. Look at some of the AGS show plants by Google(ing) AGS Cyclamen greacum, and images. The thing that always fools me is how they are made to flower in nice neat evenly spaced circles when my plants in pots insist on the flower stems running to the pot edge and then rising. Maybe with age it will happen; if I can wait that long. My larger greacum are in pots tight against a south facing wall but will be moved under glass if we get a real winter. Not tried them in the ground proper in this garden yet. Don't really have a nice warm flower bed against a wall. An ancient wild form persicum has survived in a pot outside for some years but lost its cental growing point. Brian Whyer, Buckinghamshire, England, zone ~8 ___ Alpine-l mailing list Alpine-l@science.uu.nl http://mailman.science.uu.nl/mailman/listinfo/alpine-l
Re: [Alpine-l] Cyclamen
A friend found hederifolium corms as big as saucers in old gardens here. I haven’t had much success with graecum, though, in or out of pots. Diane Whitehead Victoria British Columbia, Canada On Dec 23, 2014, at 9:44 AM, johnsone...@aol.com wrote: I was stunned by the size of the Cyclamen bulbs. I thought my four-inch bulbs were enormous. ___ Alpine-l mailing list Alpine-l@science.uu.nl http://mailman.science.uu.nl/mailman/listinfo/alpine-l
Re: [Alpine-l] Cyclamen
Incidentally, I planted my bulbs about an inch underground, but they move to the surface and are easily seen with about half the bulb above ground. All of my cyclamen do the same thing. I figure they know what they want better than I do. I usually plant them that way, with just the lower half in the ground. I knew cyclamen tubers could get big, but not that big Bob ___ Alpine-l mailing list Alpine-l@science.uu.nl http://mailman.science.uu.nl/mailman/listinfo/alpine-l___ Alpine-l mailing list Alpine-l@science.uu.nl http://mailman.science.uu.nl/mailman/listinfo/alpine-l
