Re: [Alsa-user] Unbalanced stereo input as balanced mono input

2015-08-24 Thread Ralf Mardorf
Hi Gunnar, no bad feelings here. I was neither aggressive, nor sarcastic. I worked a little bit as audio engineer and a little bit for one of the two more known German mic companies. >I'm currently configuring DSP-based crossovers for active speakers, >which involves measurements of the speakers'

Re: [Alsa-user] Unbalanced stereo input as balanced mono input

2015-08-24 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Mon, 24 Aug 2015, Gunnar Arndt wrote: >Btw, that noise is actually from the on-board wiring - it's there even >if nothing is connected to line input. If nothing is connected even the best discrete circuits could be noisy. For e.g. phono pre-amps it's common to insert short circuit connectors,

Re: [Alsa-user] Unbalanced stereo input as balanced mono input

2015-08-24 Thread Gunnar Arndt
As mentioned, it's an experiment - I'm about to get better hardware, but found it interesting. I'm actually suprised by furor I caused... Am 24.08.2015 um 22:46 schrieb Bill Unruh: >>> The cheapest analog hardware method to convert from balanced to >>> unbalanced requires two conditions: 1) the b

Re: [Alsa-user] Unbalanced stereo input as balanced mono input

2015-08-24 Thread Bill Unruh
>> The cheapest analog hardware method to convert from balanced to >> unbalanced requires two conditions: 1) the balanced output must >> come from a transformer (coil of wire on a ferrous core); _AND_ >> 2) you are willing to sacrifice a little noise floor in exchange >> for economy. That solution

Re: [Alsa-user] Unbalanced stereo input as balanced mono input

2015-08-24 Thread Gunnar Arndt
Ralf, you have been engaging heavily in this discussion, but, as it seems to me, with increasing aggression. I cannot comprehend that - if you do not like my idea, you do not have to use it. Further comments below. Am 24.08.2015 um 11:55 schrieb Ralf Mardorf: > On Sun, 23 Aug 2015 18:07:32 -070

Re: [Alsa-user] Unbalanced stereo input as balanced mono input

2015-08-24 Thread Gunnar Arndt
Bill, > He stated that if he ran the signal left and right with the ground as common > ground, he got lots of noise. > If he subtracted L from R the noise disappeared. > Now, that may mean that there is common mode noise, in which case running the > balanced into an unbalanced would be very noisy

Re: [Alsa-user] Unbalanced stereo input as balanced mono input

2015-08-24 Thread Gunnar Arndt
Clemens, thank you for your reply - it has been the only helpful one so far. Am 24.08.2015 um 08:43 schrieb Clemens Ladisch: > Gunnar Arndt wrote: >> the configuration of an Alsa PCM device which does that job >> automatically in real time: >> >> (1) Grab a stereo signal from the line input. >> (

Re: [Alsa-user] Unbalanced stereo input as balanced mono input

2015-08-24 Thread Gunnar Arndt
Robert, thank you for your message. I appreciate the additional information. Am 23.08.2015 um 23:20 schrieb Robert M. Riches Jr.: >> Date: Sun, 23 Aug 2015 19:11:17 +0200 >> From: Gunnar Arndt >> To: alsa-user@lists.sourceforge.net >> >> I have the following idea, which may be of interest for ot

Re: [Alsa-user] Unbalanced stereo input as balanced mono input

2015-08-24 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Sun, 23 Aug 2015 18:07:32 -0700 (PDT), Bill Unruh wrote: >Now, that may mean that there is common mode noise, in which case >running the balanced into an unbalanced would be very noisy, or the >noise was all in the ground wire, in which case bal->unbal might work. It's the nature of unbalanced

Re: [Alsa-user] Unbalanced stereo input as balanced mono input

2015-08-23 Thread Clemens Ladisch
Gunnar Arndt wrote: > the configuration of an Alsa PCM device which does that job > automatically in real time: > > (1) Grab a stereo signal from the line input. > (2) Invert either the left OR the right channel (i.e. multiply its > signal's amplitude by minus 1). > (3) Merge the channels to mo

Re: [Alsa-user] Unbalanced stereo input as balanced mono input

2015-08-23 Thread Bill Unruh
He stated that if he ran the signal left and right with the ground as common ground, he got lots of noise. If he subtracted L from R the noise disappeared. Now, that may mean that there is common mode noise, in which case running the balanced into an unbalanced would be very noisy, or the noise w

Re: [Alsa-user] Unbalanced stereo input as balanced mono input

2015-08-23 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Sun, 23 Aug 2015 14:20:46 -0700, Robert M. Riches Jr. wrote: >That solution is to just ground one of the balanced wires and use the >other as signal. This (an unbalanced wiring) is the only sane solution for this kind of setup. Faked balanced input or real balanced input by using a transformer

Re: [Alsa-user] Unbalanced stereo input as balanced mono input

2015-08-23 Thread Robert M. Riches Jr.
> Date: Sun, 23 Aug 2015 19:11:17 +0200 > From: Gunnar Arndt > To: alsa-user@lists.sourceforge.net > > Hi Alsa users, > > > I have the following idea, which may be of interest for other users, > too: I would like to abuse the 'normal' unbalanced stereo input of my > on-board sound as a balanced

Re: [Alsa-user] Unbalanced stereo input as balanced mono input

2015-08-23 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Sun, 23 Aug 2015 19:11:17 +0200, Gunnar Arndt wrote: >I have a measurement microphone with an integrated amplifier and a >balanced mono output which should be connected to consumer sound >devices with an `ordinary' unbalanced input AFAIK Audacity supports LADSPA plugins, so perhaps a plugin do

[Alsa-user] Unbalanced stereo input as balanced mono input

2015-08-23 Thread Gunnar Arndt
Hi Alsa users, I have the following idea, which may be of interest for other users, too: I would like to abuse the 'normal' unbalanced stereo input of my on-board sound as a balanced mono input. I have a measurement microphone with an integrated amplifier and a balanced mono output which shoul