Re: [Alsa-user] Archeology/ future of alsamixergui

2022-10-31 Thread Benno 



Am 29.10.22 um 17:53 schrieb Mark Knecht:


The latest stable Kubuntu repositories provides alsamixergui which
depends on FLTK1.1.

Gentoo sort of patched it the same way going even further to 1.3.



I installed it and it at least creates a GUI. I have no idea if it functions
or has the bug the OP sites.
Simply move the controls. Either it is stuck immediately and doesn't 
respond at all consuming 100% CPU power. Or it takes a few slider 
movements/ lock switches until it hangs the same way.


Doesn't seem related to the hardware, since alsermixer works perfectly. 
Either the copy of alsamixer code in alsamixergui is responsible or the 
FLTK handling (or lack of such) brings the process into an infinite/ 
busy loop.



I'm sure it must be available as source if someone wanted to go
searching for it.
As already pointed out in the other replies absolutely yes but only on 
distribution servers as source tar with patches next to it. There is no 
official repository nor homepage.



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Re: [Alsa-user] Archeology/ future of alsamixergui

2022-10-29 Thread Mark Knecht 
> Starting a new project based upon gtk2 is foolish. Old projects based
> upon gtk2 soon or later need to be rewritten or they will go the way of
> the dodo.
>
> I'm not an alsamixergui user, but IMO FLTK was a way better choice than
> gtk2 is.
>
> Regards,
> Ralf

The latest stable Kubuntu repositories provides alsamixergui which
depends on FLTK1.1.

I installed it and it at least creates a GUI. I have no idea if it functions
or has the bug the OP sites.

I'm sure it must be available as source if someone wanted to go
searching for it.

Good luck,
Mark
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Re: [Alsa-user] Archeology/ future of alsamixergui

2022-10-29 Thread Ralf Mardorf 
On Sat, 2022-10-29 at 11:59 +0100, Patrick May wrote:
> I wouldn't call it "discontinued" when so many people and existing & new 
> projects are still using it. Imo it's a testament to how much gnome 
> messed things up starting with GTK3.

Hi,

while gtk2 is still available by almost all, if not all Linux distros, a
lot of gtk2 apps already suffer from serious issues, at least on some
machines. De facto gtk2 is EOL.

Fortunately it's possible to workaround the most annoying gtk3 oddities,
at least for users who have the time to do so. However, even gtk3 is
outdated, but still supported. The migration to gtk4 is already done by
several apps and I doubt that it's still possible to workaround the
oddities of gtk4. It's probably even not possible anymore for users who
can spend a lot of time in maintaining their computer environments.

FWIW the GNOME foundation shuts down all mailing lists hosted at
gnome.org end of this month and as a replacement it only offers the most
bizarr instance of a Discourse forum I've ever seen, with a gamification
overdose and a broken mailing list feature.

Starting a new project based upon gtk2 is foolish. Old projects based
upon gtk2 soon or later need to be rewritten or they will go the way of
the dodo.

I'm not an alsamixergui user, but IMO FLTK was a way better choice than
gtk2 is.

Regards,
Ralf


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Re: [Alsa-user] Archeology/ future of alsamixergui

2022-10-29 Thread Patrick May 
I wouldn't call it "discontinued" when so many people and existing & new 
projects are still using it. Imo it's a testament to how much gnome 
messed things up starting with GTK3.


On 29/10/2022 09:49, Ralf Mardorf wrote:

On Sat, 2022-10-29 at 10:25 +0200, Benno wrote:

Luckily found this https://dev1galaxy.org/viewtopic.php?id=5232,
compiled right away and is fully fledged. A seamless integration with
XFCE toolbar. Contacted the author, too.


Hi,

it does use the discontinued gtk2 ;).

[rocketmouse@archlinux amixer-gtk-0.1]$ grep gtk debian/control
Source: amixer-gtk
  libgtkmm-2.4-dev (>= 1:2.24.5-4),
Homepage: https://gitea.devuan.dev/aitor_czr/amixer-gtk
Package: amixer-gtk
   libgtkmm-2.4-1v5 (>= 1:2.24.5-4),
  Amixer-gtk is a desktop mixer application for ALSA's "Simple Mixer Interface"

Regards,
Ralf


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Re: [Alsa-user] Archeology/ future of alsamixergui

2022-10-29 Thread Ralf Mardorf 
On Sat, 2022-10-29 at 10:25 +0200, Benno wrote:
> Luckily found this https://dev1galaxy.org/viewtopic.php?id=5232, 
> compiled right away and is fully fledged. A seamless integration with 
> XFCE toolbar. Contacted the author, too.

Hi,

it does use the discontinued gtk2 ;).

[rocketmouse@archlinux amixer-gtk-0.1]$ grep gtk debian/control 
Source: amixer-gtk
 libgtkmm-2.4-dev (>= 1:2.24.5-4),
Homepage: https://gitea.devuan.dev/aitor_czr/amixer-gtk
Package: amixer-gtk
  libgtkmm-2.4-1v5 (>= 1:2.24.5-4),
 Amixer-gtk is a desktop mixer application for ALSA's "Simple Mixer Interface"

Regards,
Ralf


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Re: [Alsa-user] Archeology/ future of alsamixergui

2022-10-29 Thread Benno 

Am 29.10.22 um 10:33 schrieb Ralf Mardorf:

On Sat, 2022-10-29 at 09:36 +0200, Benno wrote:

Stemming from the Alsamixer sources (back in 2001/2? If I read the
sources correctly a copy of alsamixer was enhanced with a switch for
FLTK in addition to ncurses.)


[…]

A FLTK GUI isn't mentioned andalsamixer --helpdoesn't show a

switch on my install. Did you read the alsamixer man page? I doubt that
it mentions a switch, but I haven't read the man page.



I was a bit imprecise. My assumptions were made when looking at the 
sources of alsamixergui. It looks as if alsamixer was copied and 
enriched with a define FLTK in addition to the already existing NCURSES 
approach. (This all relates to code of alsamixer from 1998? Most major 
distributions patched it on their own or copied other's patches of 
alsamixergui to make it more or less compatible with FLTK 1.1 and recent 
gcc.)



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Re: [Alsa-user] Archeology/ future of alsamixergui

2022-10-29 Thread Ralf Mardorf 
On Sat, 2022-10-29 at 09:36 +0200, Benno wrote:
> Stemming from the Alsamixer sources (back in 2001/2? If I read the 
> sources correctly a copy of alsamixer was enhanced with a switch for 
> FLTK in addition to ncurses.)

Hi,

consider to ask for the FLTK version at
https://github.com/alsa-project/alsa-utils/issues .

Maarten de Boer' email account (mdeboer_AT_iua.upf.es) is most likely
not active anymore [1].

   [rocketmouse@archlinux ~]$ grep -emixer -eBuild 
/usr/share/doc/alsa-utils/README.md
   ![Build 
alsa-utils](https://github.com/alsa-project/alsa-utils/workflows/Build%20alsa-utils/badge.svg?branch=master)
   amixer   | a command line mixer
   alsamixer| a ncurses mixer
   
A FLTK GUI isn't mentioned andalsamixer --helpdoesn't show a
switch on my install. Did you read the alsamixer man page? I doubt that
it mentions a switch, but I haven't read the man page.

A little bit of googling:

The website https://command-not-found.com/alsamixergui shows also a dead link: 
http://www.iua.upf.es/~mdeboer/projects/alsamixergui/

https://ccrma.stanford.edu/mirrors/lalists/lad/2001/Nov/0099.html from 2001, 
containing the email address Maarten de Boer (mdeboer_AT_iua.upf.es).

Regards,
Ralf

[1]
   rocketmouse@archlinux ~]$ ping www.iua.upf.es
   ping: www.iua.upf.es: Temporary failure in name resolution
   [rocketmouse@archlinux ~]$ dig www.iua.upf.es
   
   ; <<>> DiG 9.18.8 <<>> www.iua.upf.es
   ;; global options: +cmd
   ;; Got answer:
   ;; ->>HEADER<<- opcode: QUERY, status: SERVFAIL, id: 8091
   ;; flags: qr rd ra; QUERY: 1, ANSWER: 1, AUTHORITY: 0, ADDITIONAL: 1
   
   ;; OPT PSEUDOSECTION:
   ; EDNS: version: 0, flags:; udp: 512
   ;; QUESTION SECTION:
   ;www.iua.upf.es. IN  A
   
   ;; ANSWER SECTION:
   www.iua.upf.es.  37211   IN  CNAME   dtic-ha.ccp.upf.edu.
   
   ;; Query time: 93 msec
   ;; SERVER: 192.168.1.1#53(192.168.1.1) (UDP)
   ;; WHEN: Sat Oct 29 10:29:17 CEST 2022
   ;; MSG SIZE  rcvd: 76
   
   [rocketmouse@archlinux ~]$ dig http://www.iua.upf.es
   
   ; <<>> DiG 9.18.8 <<>> http://www.iua.upf.es
   ;; global options: +cmd
   ;; Got answer:
   ;; ->>HEADER<<- opcode: QUERY, status: NXDOMAIN, id: 33042
   ;; flags: qr rd ra; QUERY: 1, ANSWER: 0, AUTHORITY: 1, ADDITIONAL: 1
   
   ;; OPT PSEUDOSECTION:
   ; EDNS: version: 0, flags:; udp: 512
   ;; QUESTION SECTION:
   ;http://www.iua.upf.es.  IN  A
   
   ;; AUTHORITY SECTION:
   upf.es.  10573   IN  SOA ns1.upf.es. 
postmaster.upf.edu. 2022102601 86400 7200 2592000 172800
   
   ;; Query time: 10 msec
   ;; SERVER: 192.168.1.1#53(192.168.1.1) (UDP)
   ;; WHEN: Sat Oct 29 10:29:20 CEST 2022
   ;; MSG SIZE  rcvd: 108
   



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Re: [Alsa-user] Archeology/ future of alsamixergui

2022-10-29 Thread Benno 
Luckily found this https://dev1galaxy.org/viewtopic.php?id=5232, 
compiled right away and is fully fledged. A seamless integration with 
XFCE toolbar. Contacted the author, too.


Am 29.10.22 um 09:36 schrieb Benno:
Works similar for Gentoo when fetching the sources to be built…no 
upstream repo, no bugfixing, no improvements.


 > Jaroslav Kysela?

Stemming from the Alsamixer sources (back in 2001/2? If I read the 
sources correctly a copy of alsamixer was enhanced with a switch for 
FLTK in addition to ncurses.)


 > Maarten de Boer

He published the sources in 2002?

Am 29.10.22 um 08:47 schrieb Ralf Mardorf:



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Re: [Alsa-user] Archeology/ future of alsamixergui

2022-10-29 Thread Benno 
Works similar for Gentoo when fetching the sources to be built…no 
upstream repo, no bugfixing, no improvements.


> Jaroslav Kysela?

Stemming from the Alsamixer sources (back in 2001/2? If I read the 
sources correctly a copy of alsamixer was enhanced with a switch for 
FLTK in addition to ncurses.)


> Maarten de Boer

He published the sources in 2002?

Am 29.10.22 um 08:47 schrieb Ralf Mardorf:

On Sat, 2022-10-29 at 07:36 +0200, Benno wrote:

Is there a simple graphical alternative for Alsa in general? […]


Hi,

[…]

On the Arch User Repository website I found
https://aur.archlinux.org/packages/alsamixergui providing just a dead
link, but the PKGBUILD loads the source and a patch from Debian (
https://aur.archlinux.org/cgit/aur.git/tree/PKGBUILD?h=alsamixergui ):

http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian/pool/main/a/${pkgname}/${pkgname}_${pkgver}-1.orig.tar.gz
http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian/pool/main/a/${pkgname}/${pkgname}_${pkgver}-1-9.1.diff.gz

IOW:

http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian/pool/main/a/
http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian/pool/main/a/alsamixergui/




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Re: [Alsa-user] Archeology/ future of alsamixergui

2022-10-29 Thread Ralf Mardorf 
On Sat, 2022-10-29 at 07:36 +0200, Benno wrote:
> Is there a simple graphical alternative for Alsa in general? (Xfce's mixer 
> applet cannot unmute/ mute and offers only main control. Envy24* and 
> successors only work for ICE-chips.)

Hi,

in my experiences alsamixer without GUI was always fishy when using
ice1712 cards. I used either envy24control from alsa-tools (
https://alsa-project.org/ ) or mudita24 (
http://code.google.com/p/mudita24/ ,
https://github.com/NielsMayer/mudita24 ). I can't comment on other ice
cards or non-ice Envy cards.

On the Arch User Repository website I found
https://aur.archlinux.org/packages/alsamixergui providing just a dead
link, but the PKGBUILD loads the source and a patch from Debian (
https://aur.archlinux.org/cgit/aur.git/tree/PKGBUILD?h=alsamixergui ):

http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian/pool/main/a/${pkgname}/${pkgname}_${pkgver}-1.orig.tar.gz
http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian/pool/main/a/${pkgname}/${pkgname}_${pkgver}-1-9.1.diff.gz

IOW:

http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian/pool/main/a/
http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian/pool/main/a/alsamixergui/

Regards,
Ralf








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