Re: Amanda.org Website Updates -- Amanda bugfix release?

2020-12-03 Thread Gene Heskett 
On Thursday 03 December 2020 20:03:24 Pavan Raj wrote:

> Thanks for the feedback. I agree that a next release is critical.
> Our team looking in to the Amanda community will start working on a
> new release from first week of Jan 2021. Please expect more updates on
> the release next month.
>
> The team working on the website is different from the above team.
> I was able to get their time after a long negotiating battle __ and I
> don't want to lose their time. I will drive both the initiatives in
> parallel.
>
> For a new release, we would require all of your contributions.
> Chris (copied) will coordinate this effort.
>
> --
> Thanks & Regards,
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> On 12/3/20, 12:37 AM, "[email protected] on behalf of
> Stefan G. Weichinger"  [email protected]> wrote:
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> Am 03.12.20 um 07:04 schrieb Nathan Stratton Treadway:
> > On Wed, Dec 02, 2020 at 00:26:08 +, Pavan Raj wrote:
> > I could probably get excited about a revamped amanda.org website
> > someday, but really getting a bugfix release out the door seems
> > much more important.
> >
> > v3.5.1 was released December 1, 2017.  Since then a number of
> > fixes for bugs have been identified, but all those fixes are
> > still not available for atual use anywhere, except for the few
> > custom patches being applied by some distribution-specific
> > maintainers.  (There was an effort in November 2019 to collect
> > some of the patches into the Zmanda git repo, but after that
> > brief spurt nothing else happened.)
> >
> > Over the past couple of months we (here on this list) have
> > identified several pretty serious bugs and come up with some
> > apparent workarounds, but had no activity/help from Betsol
> > developers in identifying the underlying cause and finding
> > correct fixes for those issues, let alone in getting those fixes
> > tested out and then incorportated into a release so users can
> > avoid those problems in the future.
> >
> > So as an urgent first step, I'd definitely be in favor of a
> > 3.5.2 release (and preferably a plan for subsequent minor
> > releases coming down the pike) before any effort is spent on a
> > website refresh...

More food for the veggie garden. We've been spreading that stuff for 
years now with no code fixes. Those of us who believe in the amanda way 
of doing things have about run out of patience, we want results. Git to 
it. Allowing the mailing list server to stay crashed for 5 weeks before 
someone told Todd K. shows just how much real interest betsol has.

> I agree 100%. 3.5.1 is 3(!) years old now. And buggy.
>
> (sidenote: the font in the mockups isn't suited for technical
> documentation in my opinion)
>
> Stefan
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Re: Amanda.org Website Updates -- Amanda bugfix release?

2020-12-03 Thread Pavan Raj 
Thanks for the feedback. I agree that a next release is critical.
Our team looking in to the Amanda community will start working on a new release 
from first week of Jan 2021.
Please expect more updates on the release next month.

The team working on the website is different from the above team.
I was able to get their time after a long negotiating battle __ and I don't 
want to lose their time.
I will drive both the initiatives in parallel.

For a new release, we would require all of your contributions.
Chris (copied) will coordinate this effort.

--
Thanks & Regards,
V J N Pavan Raj | Director, Corporate Development | BETSOL | 
[email protected] | (M) 1.720.448.7099 | (O) 1.720.506.5534 |Check my 
availability (Calendar): HTML 

 


On 12/3/20, 12:37 AM, "[email protected] on behalf of Stefan G. 
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Am 03.12.20 um 07:04 schrieb Nathan Stratton Treadway:
> On Wed, Dec 02, 2020 at 00:26:08 +, Pavan Raj wrote:
> I could probably get excited about a revamped amanda.org website
> someday, but really getting a bugfix release out the door seems much
> more important.
>
> v3.5.1 was released December 1, 2017.  Since then a number of fixes for
> bugs have been identified, but all those fixes are still not available
> for atual use anywhere, except for the few custom patches being applied
> by some distribution-specific maintainers.  (There was an effort in
> November 2019 to collect some of the patches into the Zmanda git repo,
> but after that brief spurt nothing else happened.)
>
> Over the past couple of months we (here on this list) have identified
> several pretty serious bugs and come up with some apparent workarounds,
> but had no activity/help from Betsol developers in identifying the
> underlying cause and finding correct fixes for those issues, let alone
> in getting those fixes tested out and then incorportated into a release
> so users can avoid those problems in the future.
>
> So as an urgent first step, I'd definitely be in favor of a 3.5.2
> release (and preferably a plan for subsequent minor releases coming down
> the pike) before any effort is spent on a website refresh...

I agree 100%. 3.5.1 is 3(!) years old now. And buggy.

(sidenote: the font in the mockups isn't suited for technical
documentation in my opinion)

Stefan

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Re: Amanda.org Website Updates -- Amanda bugfix release?

2020-12-02 Thread Stefan G. Weichinger 

Am 03.12.20 um 07:04 schrieb Nathan Stratton Treadway:

On Wed, Dec 02, 2020 at 00:26:08 +, Pavan Raj wrote:
I could probably get excited about a revamped amanda.org website
someday, but really getting a bugfix release out the door seems much
more important.

v3.5.1 was released December 1, 2017.  Since then a number of fixes for
bugs have been identified, but all those fixes are still not available
for atual use anywhere, except for the few custom patches being applied
by some distribution-specific maintainers.  (There was an effort in
November 2019 to collect some of the patches into the Zmanda git repo,
but after that brief spurt nothing else happened.)

Over the past couple of months we (here on this list) have identified
several pretty serious bugs and come up with some apparent workarounds,
but had no activity/help from Betsol developers in identifying the
underlying cause and finding correct fixes for those issues, let alone
in getting those fixes tested out and then incorportated into a release
so users can avoid those problems in the future.

So as an urgent first step, I'd definitely be in favor of a 3.5.2
release (and preferably a plan for subsequent minor releases coming down
the pike) before any effort is spent on a website refresh...


I agree 100%. 3.5.1 is 3(!) years old now. And buggy.

(sidenote: the font in the mockups isn't suited for technical 
documentation in my opinion)


Stefan

Re: Amanda.org Website Updates -- Amanda bugfix release?

2020-12-02 Thread Nathan Stratton Treadway 
On Wed, Dec 02, 2020 at 00:26:08 +, Pavan Raj wrote:
> We would like to continue the momentum with the upgrades and plan for
> a new release.

(I'm not sure what "upgrades" you have in mind, but in any case I
haven't seen any discussion of a new release here in quite a while, nor
do I see any new-release-type activity in the git repo)



> As a next step, we would like to improve the website to address the
> security issues, modernize, and improve the usability.

I could probably get excited about a revamped amanda.org website
someday, but really getting a bugfix release out the door seems much
more important.

v3.5.1 was released December 1, 2017.  Since then a number of fixes for
bugs have been identified, but all those fixes are still not available
for atual use anywhere, except for the few custom patches being applied
by some distribution-specific maintainers.  (There was an effort in
November 2019 to collect some of the patches into the Zmanda git repo,
but after that brief spurt nothing else happened.)

Over the past couple of months we (here on this list) have identified
several pretty serious bugs and come up with some apparent workarounds,
but had no activity/help from Betsol developers in identifying the
underlying cause and finding correct fixes for those issues, let alone
in getting those fixes tested out and then incorportated into a release
so users can avoid those problems in the future.

So as an urgent first step, I'd definitely be in favor of a 3.5.2
release (and preferably a plan for subsequent minor releases coming down
the pike) before any effort is spent on a website refresh...

Nathan




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Amanda.org Website Updates

2020-12-01 Thread Pavan Raj 
Hello Everyone,

I would like to take a moment to thank all of you for your support and 
contributions to Amanda Community project.
We would like to continue the momentum with the upgrades and plan for a new 
release.

Previously with the community’s help, we migrated the source code to Git 
platform.
As a next step, we would like to improve the website to address the security 
issues, modernize, and improve the usability.
Even though Amanda Community is a superior product compared to lot of 
competitors, the website doesn’t make it apparent.
The current website is from 2003 and it poses a lot of challenges for today’s 
needs.
We tried reaching out to the domain owner/host (Omniscient Technologies) to 
discuss the website upgrade initiative but unfortunately we didn’t get any 
response.

Given that, we would like to take up the initiative and update the current 
website.
I would like to invite volunteers who are willing to spend time and resources 
on this task.
We would like to improve
• the look and feel of the website
• security
• SEO
• the user documentation and website content
• usability with the help of analytics

A new logo and a wireframe for the home page to give a sense of direction that 
we can take within the constraints can be found at 
https://www.figma.com/file/TYonjW4rthJi3VlAkCOOdh/Amanda.org?node-id=0%3A1.
I request the community members to share their feedback and ideas by Dec 11, 
2020.

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