Re: [amsat-bb] I want this. I want that. Here comes another FM LEO sat.

2014-07-27 Thread Floyd Rodgers
I would also vote AO40 was not to complex, it was failed by an accident. Not wishing to bring up bad memories, but two questions: Did anything other than the plug incident happen? (In other words, did any systems fail before the explosion?) Was there a backup bird built of the same design that

Re: [amsat-bb] I want this. I want that. Here comes another FM LEO sat.

2014-07-27 Thread i8cvs
- Original Message - From: Floyd Rodgers kc5...@swbell.net To: bstguitar...@gmail.com; Phil Karn k...@ka9q.net Cc: amsat-bb@amsat.org Sent: Sunday, July 27, 2014 8:17 PM Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] I want this. I want that. Here comes another FM LEO sat. I would also vote AO40

Re: [amsat-bb] I want this. I want that. Here comes another FM LEO sat.

2014-07-27 Thread Andre
Op 27-07-14 om 20:17 schreef Floyd Rodgers: Was there a backup bird built of the same design that just might be flyable if we could find a ride? Not a backup for phase 3d but a satelite with simular spaceframe and capabiletie to get in the same orbit, phase 3e is capable of being flight test

Re: [amsat-bb] I want this. I want that. Here comes another FM LEO sat.

2014-07-26 Thread Phil Karn
On 07/22/2014 12:26 AM, Bryce Salmi wrote: By usher in he was clearly referring to gaining technical abilities as a group to attack more complex satellites. That's not how I read it. In any event, AMSAT has already built far more complex satellites; remember AO-40? (Maybe that one was *too*

Re: [amsat-bb] I want this. I want that. Here comes another FM LEO sat.

2014-07-26 Thread Bryce Salmi
Ao40 was not too complex. I work in the space industry, I've already have my electronics fly to orbit (not AMSAT), it's awesome and scary all In one. Watching it launch not too long ago was gut wrenching, the entire system is complex but I trusted in my testing, I trusted my coworkers testing, and

Re: [amsat-bb] I want this. I want that. Here comes another FM LEO sat.

2014-07-26 Thread Bryce Salmi
Nativity = autocorrect of being naive :) sorry about that On Saturday, July 26, 2014, Bryce Salmi bstguitar...@gmail.com wrote: Ao40 was not too complex. I work in the space industry, I've already have my electronics fly to orbit (not AMSAT), it's awesome and scary all In one. Watching it

Re: [amsat-bb] I want this. I want that. Here comes another FM LEO sat.

2014-07-22 Thread Brenton Salmi
In addition most cubsats just buy prebut of commercial modules (clydespace...) so those teams have to do little actual engineering. Those teams however are limited I. Their scope for the future whereas AMSAT-NA is developing the basic building blocks of heir own platform to build on. I. Addition

Re: [amsat-bb] I want this. I want that. Here comes another FM LEO sat.

2014-07-22 Thread Clayton Coleman
Hi Phil, The new era I speak of is AMSAT-NA's foray into CubeSats. Certainly FM birds are nothing new. I'd like to see more efficient modes and methods in the future. Perhaps leverage a smartphone interface for the roving digital operator? I am a firm believer in the direction of

Re: [amsat-bb] I want this. I want that. Here comes another FM LEO sat.

2014-07-22 Thread John Becker
I dont keep up with these things at all but what happen to the others? failed, dropped out of orbit, what? One day someone is going to be saying sorry, ghost rider the pattern is full JAB ___ Sent via AMSAT-BB@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are

Re: [amsat-bb] I want this. I want that. Here comes another FM LEO sat.

2014-07-22 Thread Paul Stoetzer
Off the top of my head: AO-51 - Battery failure (Problem fixed in Fox series - shorted batteries will be cut loose from the circuit and the satellite will operate when in the sun) AO-27 - Likely radiation damaged memory (Problem fixed in Fox series - IHU failure will cause it to become a dumb FM

Re: [amsat-bb] I want this. I want that. Here comes another FM LEO sat.

2014-07-22 Thread Phil Karn
On 07/22/2014 06:49 AM, Clayton Coleman wrote: Hi Phil, The new era I speak of is AMSAT-NA's foray into CubeSats. Well, I guess I could read that as when all you have is lemons, make lemonade. AMSAT used to make spacecraft that, while small by commercial/military/scientific standards, dwarfed

Re: [amsat-bb] I want this. I want that. Here comes another FM LEO sat.

2014-07-22 Thread Bryce Salmi
Phil, You're missing the point. Do I personally think Fox-1 is pushing the bleeding edge of technology? No. Buts it's a great step to building a good foundation. I think your frustration with the lack of digital birds is overcoming an understanding of where AMSAT currently is and where it's going.

Re: [amsat-bb] I want this. I want that. Here comes another FM LEO sat.

2014-07-22 Thread Jerry Buxton
On 7/22/2014 9:21 AM, Paul Stoetzer wrote: Off the top of my head: AO-51 - Battery failure (Problem fixed in Fox series - shorted batteries will be cut loose from the circuit and the satellite will operate when in the sun) This is an original conops for Fox-1 that did not make it to reality.

Re: [amsat-bb] I want this. I want that. Here comes another FM LEO sat.

2014-07-22 Thread Paul Stoetzer
Jerry, Thanks for the clarification. It is unfortunate that it got removed, but understandable. Hopefully the batteries will last the entire 11 year lifetime of the orbit and, if not, that newer and better satellites will continually be launched! Is the feature that allows the FM transponder to

Re: [amsat-bb] I want this. I want that. Here comes another FM LEO sat.

2014-07-22 Thread Bryce Salmi
Being involved in the power system, I personally am hoping to get this included in the near future on some of the next Fox's. We will see! On Tue, Jul 22, 2014 at 10:19 AM, Jerry Buxton am...@n0jy.org wrote: On 7/22/2014 9:21 AM, Paul Stoetzer wrote: Off the top of my head: AO-51 - Battery

Re: [amsat-bb] I want this. I want that. Here comes another FM LEO sat.

2014-07-22 Thread M5AKA
They simply don't realize how much more could be done with 21st century technology. That's what I'm trying to change, so far without much success. Phil, the technology you describe could equally well be used in cross-band terrestrial transponders. Has anyone yet developed it for terrestrial

Re: [amsat-bb] I want this. I want that. Here comes another FM LEO sat.

2014-07-22 Thread Phil Karn
On 07/22/2014 04:06 PM, M5AKA wrote: Phil, the technology you describe could equally well be used in cross-band terrestrial transponders. Has anyone yet developed it for terrestrial use ? Sure, there are several digital schemes now appearing for ham VHF/UHF voice use, such as D*Star

[amsat-bb] I want this. I want that. Here comes another FM LEO sat.

2014-07-21 Thread Clayton Coleman
I am pleased that AMSAT-NA is going to move forward with a LEO CubeSat, single channel, analog FM transponder. If successful, it will be immensely popular worldwide. My hope is that it will help usher in a new, improved series of satellites with more advanced payloads. There is great potential

Re: [amsat-bb] I want this. I want that. Here comes another FM LEO sat.

2014-07-21 Thread Phil Karn
On 07/21/2014 05:36 PM, Clayton Coleman wrote: It's very easy to be a pessimist or a cynic. Very little risk is involved. It doesn't take any cojones to sit in a comfy chair and email snarky comments. If you are optimistic about a project and it fails, your peers may see your actions as a