[amsat-bb] Re: 22% votes

2012-09-21 Thread Daniel Schultz
Amsat is living in a brave new world where launches are fully commercialized and nobody gets a free ride anymore. We will either adapt to that paradigm shift or we will cease to exist. Things were a lot different in the 1960's and 70's. In 1961 an Air Force general had enough authority to allow

[amsat-bb] Re: 22% votes

2012-09-21 Thread pughkeithd
Amen, Dan! Keith, W5IU -Original Message- From: Daniel Schultz n8...@usa.net To: amsat-bb amsat-bb@amsat.org Sent: Fri, Sep 21, 2012 1:05 am Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: 22% votes Amsat is living in a brave new world where launches are fully commercialized and nobody gets a free ride

[amsat-bb] Re: 22% votes

2012-09-21 Thread John Spasojevich
-bb] Re: 22% votes Amsat is living in a brave new world where launches are fully commercialized and nobody gets a free ride anymore. We will either adapt to that paradigm shift or we will cease to exist. Things were a lot different in the 1960's and 70's. In 1961 an Air Force general had

[amsat-bb] Re: 22% votes

2012-09-21 Thread Dale Hershberger
Very well said. Thanks Dan. Dale-KL7XJ On 9/20/2012 9:48 PM, Daniel Schultz wrote: Amsat is living in a brave new world where launches are fully commercialized and nobody gets a free ride anymore. We will either adapt to that paradigm shift or we will cease to exist. Things were a lot

[amsat-bb] Re: 22% votes

2012-09-21 Thread Bob- W7LRD
deal. Checking my lottery ticket. 73 Bob W7LRD - Original Message - From: Daniel Schultz n8...@usa.net To: amsat-bb@amsat.org Sent: Thursday, September 20, 2012 10:48:22 PM Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: 22% votes Amsat is living in a brave new world where launches are fully

[amsat-bb] Re: 22% votes

2012-09-21 Thread i8cvs
- Original Message - From: Gus 8P6SM 8p...@anjo.com To: i8cvs domenico.i8...@tin.it Sent: Thursday, September 20, 2012 7:40 AM Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] Re: 22% votes On 09/19/2012 11:58 PM, i8cvs wrote: - Original Message - From: Gus 8P6SM8p...@anjo.com To:amsat-bb@amsat.org

[amsat-bb] Re: 22% votes

2012-09-21 Thread i8cvs
- Original Message - From: Daniel Schultz n8...@usa.net To: amsat-bb@amsat.org Sent: Friday, September 21, 2012 7:48 AM Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: 22% votes Those of you who are lapsed Amsat members and will not rejoin until a HEO is launched really should reconsider. The membership dues

[amsat-bb] Re: 22% votes

2012-09-19 Thread Daniel Schultz
Did all of the people who complain about AMSAT and the lack of this or that satellite or feature or they way they are built or when do we get another HEO or how someone failed once, did they all vote? The complainers need to do more than vote, they need to run for office themselves. All

[amsat-bb] Re: 22% votes

2012-09-19 Thread John Spasojevich
I agree. But its easier to sit on your butt and point fingers. If you actually do something you have to take responsibility for the failure not just the success. I wish the folks who long for the HEO's would solve two problems. Where the money will come from to build it and where the money will

[amsat-bb] Re: 22% votes

2012-09-19 Thread John Becker
I sent this direct first but was rejected because I'm not on his approved list. Ken I really think that there are a large number like myself waiting to see what is going to happen for a replacement for AO40. From people that I have talked to with a license calls above tech and more then a HT

[amsat-bb] Re: 22% votes

2012-09-19 Thread John Becker
At 04:23 PM 9/19/2012, you wrote: I'm sorry, but I'm not understanding the connection between the two. not need to try to explain then. ___ Sent via AMSAT-BB@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to

[amsat-bb] Re: 22% votes

2012-09-19 Thread John Spasojevich
The reason for my thinking is simple. I was 10 when Gene Cernan walked on the moon. In case you forgot, he was the LAST an to walk on the moon. I've been waiting 38 years for it to happpen again. So rather then wait for P3E or AO-40 part deux I would rather have something up there than nothing at

[amsat-bb] Re: 22% votes

2012-09-19 Thread John Spasojevich
The way I understand this age old train of thought and I get it a lot from my local hams when I do a hamfest for AMSAT in my area is that, just like in many ham clubs, there are a group of people who feel that they are real hams. Whether it's because they had to pass a harder test ( as in the old

[amsat-bb] Re: 22% votes

2012-09-19 Thread Gus 8P6SM
On 09/19/2012 06:09 PM, John Spasojevich wrote: If you are going to push education, it's not real easy to sell someone like NASA who has launchers available, that their interest in education is served by launching an AO-40 replacement when it'll be full of real hams and little opportunity for

[amsat-bb] Re: 22% votes

2012-09-19 Thread i8cvs
- Original Message - From: Gus 8P6SM 8p...@anjo.com To: amsat-bb@amsat.org Sent: Thursday, September 20, 2012 5:30 AM Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: 22% votes Judging by these satellites, the phrase carries an amateur radio payload really means usurps amateur radio frequencies for non

[amsat-bb] Re: 22% votes

2012-09-19 Thread John
Gus, I understand what you are saying I share the same thoughts on the use of the frequencies. Maybe by their use of them it keeps them active. I don't presume to have the answers or the money. I just wish I knew what a real ham is or was because no matter what part of the hobby I stick my

[amsat-bb] Re: 22% votes

2012-09-19 Thread Bob- W7LRD
Hi Gus...a bit painful to read, however I agree with about 99.9% if it. The truth hurts. 73 Bob W7LED - Original Message - From: Gus 8P6SM 8p...@anjo.com To: amsat-bb@amsat.org Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2012 8:30:50 PM Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: 22% votes On 09/19/2012 06:09 PM

[amsat-bb] Re: 22% votes

2012-09-18 Thread Daniel
The numbers are low, was there an option to vote on line? That may be something to look at for next year or something like it * Dan ___ Sent via AMSAT-BB@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to

[amsat-bb] Re: 22% votes

2012-09-18 Thread Ken Ernandes
I disagree with the principle of prodding apathetic people to vote. If somebody isn't willing to do the research, fill out a card, and mail it back, then why should we go out of our way to get a vote they themselves apparently don't care about. I'm more interested in the opinions of those who

[amsat-bb] Re: 22% votes

2012-09-18 Thread n4csitwo
Hey! Thats an interesting idea! Dave, AA4KN - Original Message - From: Daniel kf1...@gmail.com To: amsat-bb@amsat.org Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2012 4:22 PM Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: 22% votes The numbers are low, was there an option to vote on line? That may be something to look