Re: [Amsn-devel] 0.95 release

2005-12-11 Thread Youness Alaoui
Oh.. and we need the website to have a 'donation' advertisement somewhere... KKRT On Mon, 12 Dec 2005 01:20:04 -0500, Youness Alaoui <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Hello everyone, thanks for helping me getting through with this... Here is the update : (look at the mail below) in short 1 needs

Re: [Amsn-devel] 0.95 release

2005-12-11 Thread Youness Alaoui
Hello everyone, thanks for helping me getting through with this... Here is the update : (look at the mail below) in short 1 needs to be done and tested by someone, 2 needs to be tested, 8 still waiting for an answer... KKRT On Sun, 11 Dec 2005 18:50:55 -0500, Youness Alaoui <[EMAIL PROTECT

Re: [Amsn-devel] 0.95 release

2005-12-11 Thread Youness Alaoui
:'( lol, I know, I get it.. the thing is if you want to change your language, you go to the 'languages' window, there, you have the list of installed languages, and the language manager... you DO GO THERE... that's the thing, it's in a tab, it's not in a totally different window, that's why

Re: [Amsn-devel] 0.95 release

2005-12-11 Thread Jérôme Gagnon-Voyer
Because people don't go there naturally and surely because WE WON'T CHANGE THAT!!! WE SHOULD RELEASE, NOT CHANGE !!! Thanks :D Le 05-12-12 à 00:53, Youness Alaoui a écrit : ok, seems it's best to leave the langlist as it is, with the deleted languages... I agree to it.. secondly, look at t

Re: [Amsn-devel] 0.95 release

2005-12-11 Thread Youness Alaoui
ok, seems it's best to leave the langlist as it is, with the deleted languages... I agree to it.. secondly, look at the language chooser, it has a tab "language manager", it is really nice... why in that case do we have to include all languages with a release (1.2MB) if we can so easily dow

Re: [Amsn-devel] 0.95 release

2005-12-11 Thread Youness Alaoui
Is the langlist file up to date ??? KKRT On Sun, 11 Dec 2005 23:09:35 -0500, Youness Alaoui <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Hi, sorry Lee, you're totally right, I did mean "so we can tag the CVS as being the source for the release"... the public release will be done much later, once packages are

Re: [Amsn-devel] 0.95 release

2005-12-11 Thread Youness Alaoui
Hi, sorry Lee, you're totally right, I did mean "so we can tag the CVS as being the source for the release"... the public release will be done much later, once packages are built and website up and running... thanks for correctnig me.. p.s.: it seems Lee answered to me directly, so others on the

Re: [Amsn-devel] IRC channel, WHERE THE HELL IS EVERYONE!

2005-12-11 Thread GrdScarabe
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 My university block the IRC ports ... is there a web client somewhere for this network ? GrdScarabe Karol Krizka wrote: > On Sunday 11 December 2005 16:39, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > >>Hi guys, >>Its nice there is an IRC channel.. it's not nice

Re: [Amsn-devel] Proposal for aMSN's future

2005-12-11 Thread GrdScarabe
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 >> I personally don't care about any other protocol except Jabber. This >> would bring Jabber. Also, it would bring instant Farsight support to >> aMSN. >> > > same here, and also, from what I understood we would only use telepathy > for the new syst

Re: [Amsn-devel] Proposal for aMSN's future, round 2

2005-12-11 Thread GrdScarabe
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Nuno Agapito wrote: > Well, if you rewrite the protocol in C or C++, I would like to help! > It's always two more hands coding > > Agapito +1 ... even if it is another programing language program ... The thing is I am totally new and even if I

Re: [Amsn-devel] Proposal for aMSN's future, round 2

2005-12-11 Thread Nuno Agapito
Well, if you rewrite the protocol in C or C++, I would like to help! It's always two more hands coding AgapitoOn 12/12/05, [EMAIL PROTECTED] < [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:Here is another thread about the subject. *PLEASE DON'T REPLY TO THIS THREAD UNLESS IT IS RELEVANT. I DON'T WANT TOHEAR A

Re: [Amsn-devel] Proposal for aMSN's future, round 2

2005-12-11 Thread Jérôme Gagnon-Voyer
As I said, I'm very interested in that project. I dunno how and where I will be implicated but count me as a member :PLe 05-12-11 à 20:27, Youness Alaoui a écrit : which makes it into 6 teams... Here are the current assignments : 1 - everyone 2 - Youness 3 - Karol 4 - ? 5 - Youness 6 - Tom Anyone

Re: [Amsn-devel] Proposal for aMSN's future, round 2

2005-12-11 Thread Youness Alaoui
On Sun, 11 Dec 2005 19:34:53 -0500, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Here is another thread about the subject. perfect * PLEASE DON'T REPLY TO THIS THREAD UNLESS IT IS RELEVANT. I DON'T WANT TO HEAR ABOUT C++ vs JAVA HERE! LET US KEEP IT CLEAN OTHERWISE IT IS USELESS TO HAVE A THREAD. IF YOU

Re: [Amsn-devel] Proposal for aMSN's future

2005-12-11 Thread Youness Alaoui
On Sun, 11 Dec 2005 19:15:54 -0500, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Hey, Hi, thanks for answering, it covered most of the things I wanted to say... What would amsn gain from the porting to Telepathy? Lots of protocols. We already have MSN, the most complete out there I think (in terms of fun

Re: [Amsn-devel] IRC channel, WHERE THE HELL IS EVERYONE!

2005-12-11 Thread burgerman
> > Hi guys, > > Its nice there is an IRC channel.. it's not nice that no one idles > > there. Do you guys actually turn off your computers when you go to > > sleep ? > Yeah, it's too loud. But I'm on the channel when it's turned on :) Mine is very loud, I have exactly 3 case fans, 2 fans on my

Re: [Amsn-devel] IRC channel, WHERE THE HELL IS EVERYONE!

2005-12-11 Thread Thomas Martinsen
I'm on the chan when I'm on freenode! But, I'm not on freenode all the time so.. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi guys, Its nice there is an IRC channel.. it's not nice that no one idles there. Do you guys actually turn off your computers when you go to sleep ? Please, people, come on #amsn, and

Re: [Amsn-devel] IRC channel, WHERE THE HELL IS EVERYONE!

2005-12-11 Thread Karol Krizka
On Sunday 11 December 2005 16:39, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Hi guys, > Its nice there is an IRC channel.. it's not nice that no one idles > there. Do you guys actually turn off your computers when you go to > sleep ? Yeah, it's too loud. But I'm on the channel when it's turned on :) > Please,

[Amsn-devel] IRC channel, WHERE THE HELL IS EVERYONE!

2005-12-11 Thread burgerman
Hi guys, Its nice there is an IRC channel.. it's not nice that no one idles there. Do you guys actually turn off your computers when you go to sleep ? Please, people, come on #amsn, and just sit there and don't say or do anything. Just stay connected 24h as to create a useful channel. It's usel

Re: [Amsn-devel] 0.95 release

2005-12-11 Thread Karol Krizka
Done the easy ones: 5 & 6. On Sunday 11 December 2005 15:50, Youness Alaoui wrote: > Hello friends, > I will need help, I was supposed to finish up 0.95 and release it, it > seems I'm lacking some time... > can someone please finish up my TODO list so we can release 0.95 monday or > MAX wednesday.

[Amsn-devel] Proposal for aMSN's future, round 2

2005-12-11 Thread burgerman
Here is another thread about the subject. * PLEASE DON'T REPLY TO THIS THREAD UNLESS IT IS RELEVANT. I DON'T WANT TO HEAR ABOUT C++ vs JAVA HERE! LET US KEEP IT CLEAN OTHERWISE IT IS USELESS TO HAVE A THREAD. IF YOU HAVE SOMETHING RELATED BUT NOT DIRECTLY RELATED START A NEW THREAD * So

Re: [Amsn-devel] Proposal for aMSN's future

2005-12-11 Thread burgerman
Hey, > What would amsn gain from the porting to Telepathy? Lots of protocols. We > already have MSN, the most complete out there I think (in terms of > functionality, not code quality). We would be willing to implement Jabber... > Well, i think it's A LOT easier to clean a little bit our curren

Re: [Amsn-devel] 0.95 release

2005-12-11 Thread Jérôme Gagnon-Voyer
Le 05-12-11 à 18:50, Youness Alaoui a écrit :1 - change the reflector connection timeout to a more appropriate value, 2secs or 5secs.. AND make sure it doesn't make amsn freeze.. if it does, a 2sec freeze is not that bad... needs to be tested.. lines to change : search for '-timeout' in msncam.tcl

Re: [Amsn-devel] clearing trackers ??

2005-12-11 Thread Karol Krizka
On Sunday 11 December 2005 14:38, Alvaro J. Iradier wrote: > Hi, sorry for the delay. Now done, I hope it works now. I can't verify > ownership, as I can't ls in /tmp/persistent > Well, too late now. Yves is already almost done trac on his servers. But thanks for doing it, will be useful in the fu

Re: [Amsn-devel] Proposal for aMSN's future

2005-12-11 Thread Joao Victor
2005/12/11, Youness Alaoui <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > no, tcl/tk is easy to install for linux, there are rpms everywhere and > most systems already have it.. with a JRE, you need to install it > manually, not always easy, because it's a 'non-open-source' product... > for windows, we can bundle tcl/tk i

[Amsn-devel] 0.95 release

2005-12-11 Thread Youness Alaoui
Hello friends, I will need help, I was supposed to finish up 0.95 and release it, it seems I'm lacking some time... can someone please finish up my TODO list so we can release 0.95 monday or MAX wednesday... I'll try to sacrifice some time and do it myself if it's not already done.. I'm just

Re: [Amsn-devel] 0.95 taged and released

2005-12-11 Thread Karol Krizka
On Wednesday 07 December 2005 12:18, Boris Faure (billiob) wrote: > 2005/12/7, Karol Krizka <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > On Tuesday 06 December 2005 11:12, Boris Faure (billiob) wrote: > > > 2005/12/6, Karol Krizka <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > > > On Monday 05 December 2005 18:46, Jérôme Gagnon-Voyer wrote

Re: [Amsn-devel] Proposal for aMSN's future

2005-12-11 Thread Youness Alaoui
On Sun, 11 Dec 2005 17:36:53 -0500, Joao Victor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: 2005/12/11, Youness Alaoui <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: yes, but C++ is also a powerful language, if you know how to use it of course.. if not, then we're in deep shit... Java is also great, I really love java, only problem is I

Re: [Amsn-devel] Proposal for aMSN's future

2005-12-11 Thread Thomas Martinsen
Well, I'm not a developer so I dunno if I count. :-P Anyways, I feel it would be wrong to just start with all this now. Isn't this project a MSN client? Would feel wrong to me heh :) Alberto Diaz wrote: (WARNING: This is a long, boring mail :P) Well, maybe I am the only one who doesn't feel it

Re: [Amsn-devel] Proposal for aMSN's future

2005-12-11 Thread Alberto Diaz
(WARNING: This is a long, boring mail :P) Well, maybe I am the only one who doesn't feel it like a totally postitive thing... First of all, aMSN is far from being stable on its own. Maybe it's better to polish what we currently have than coming up with a new core and adapting some pieces of our

Re: [Amsn-devel] Proposal for aMSN's future

2005-12-11 Thread Youness Alaoui
lol, it might be something like that too... :P On Sun, 11 Dec 2005 17:25:44 -0500, Karol Krizka <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On Sunday 11 December 2005 14:22, Youness Alaoui wrote: ll translatin would be 'it rocks potatoes'... ahh, french expressions... lol According to Altavista's babelfi

Re: [Amsn-devel] Proposal for aMSN's future

2005-12-11 Thread Karol Krizka
On Sunday 11 December 2005 12:19, Youness Alaoui wrote: > waiting for me I think, I just can't do much today... I want to finish the > TODO list I have (few things, change the timeout, test it), wait for list > maintainers to give their 'ok' and tag 0.95, release, make all the > packages... > but I

[Amsn-devel] [Fwd: small amsn feature request]

2005-12-11 Thread Alvaro J. Iradier
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 - Original Message Subject:small amsn feature request Date: Thu, 8 Dec 2005 14:02:26 +0100 From: Alb!n <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hello ! first, I want to thank you for developping amsn, great job !

Re: [Amsn-devel] clearing trackers ??

2005-12-11 Thread Alvaro J. Iradier
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi, sorry for the delay. Now done, I hope it works now. I can't verify ownership, as I can't ls in /tmp/persistent Greets. Karol Krizka wrote: > On Sunday 27 November 2005 16:34, Youness Alaoui wrote: > >>I suggest trac only, have roadmaps, timeline

Re: [Amsn-devel] Proposal for aMSN's future

2005-12-11 Thread Joao Victor
2005/12/11, Youness Alaoui <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > yes, but C++ is also a powerful language, if you know how to use it of > course.. if not, then we're in deep shit... > Java is also great, I really love java, only problem is I do not want amsn > to depend on a JRE... Yes... but oh well, right now

Re: [Amsn-devel] Proposal for aMSN's future

2005-12-11 Thread Jérôme Gagnon-Voyer
Le 05-12-11 à 17:31, Youness Alaoui a écrit : think about one thing... who wants to learn Objective-C ? Me ;-)That's the primary language for a native-application on Mac OS X, with CocoaBut I totally understand why we wouldn't us that on a multiplatform project ;-)I personally don't.. I remember I

Re: [Amsn-devel] Proposal for aMSN's future

2005-12-11 Thread Youness Alaoui
On Sun, 11 Dec 2005 17:12:06 -0500, Harry Vennik <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Op zondag 11 december 2005 22:42, schreef Joao Victor: I think Java is cool; runs on it all, has the C++ syntax but much more simplified, no need to worry about garbage collection, has lots of developers, and so it go

Re: [Amsn-devel] Proposal for aMSN's future

2005-12-11 Thread Karol Krizka
On Sunday 11 December 2005 14:22, Youness Alaoui wrote: > ll > translatin would be 'it rocks potatoes'... ahh, french expressions... > lol > According to Altavista's babelfish it is: that rock'n'rolls of potatos! :P > On Sun, 11 Dec 2005 16:25:46 -0500, Jérôme Gagnon-Voyer > > <[EMAIL PROTECTE

Re: [Amsn-devel] Proposal for aMSN's future

2005-12-11 Thread Youness Alaoui
yes, but C++ is also a powerful language, if you know how to use it of course.. if not, then we're in deep shit... Java is also great, I really love java, only problem is I do not want amsn to depend on a JRE... also, java doesn't integrate well with other code... (which means, C++ code can eas

Re: [Amsn-devel] Proposal for aMSN's future

2005-12-11 Thread Youness Alaoui
ll translatin would be 'it rocks potatoes'... ahh, french expressions... lol On Sun, 11 Dec 2005 16:25:46 -0500, Jérôme Gagnon-Voyer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: My god :| Le 05-12-11 à 16:20, GrdScarabe a écrit : ça rocks des patates ! -- KaKaRoTo -

Re: [Amsn-devel] Proposal for aMSN's future

2005-12-11 Thread Youness Alaoui
You're basically talking about the 'normal' way to do things ? from my experience, this will never be done amongst amsn devels :p but we could give it a try... I'm willing to help on the doc for that thing... KaKaRoTo On Sun, 11 Dec 2005 16:11:37 -0500, Harry Vennik <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrot

Re: [Amsn-devel] Proposal for aMSN's future

2005-12-11 Thread Youness Alaoui
Hi, sorry if I say things already said, I didn't have time to read the mails sent after this one... On Sun, 11 Dec 2005 16:00:25 -0500, Harry Vennik <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Okay, my first thought when reading Burgers' post was: Ooops, this seems to interfere quite much with the 'sepa

Re: [Amsn-devel] Proposal for aMSN's future

2005-12-11 Thread Harry Vennik
Op zondag 11 december 2005 22:42, schreef Joao Victor: > I think Java is cool; runs on it all, has the C++ syntax but much more > simplified, no need to worry about garbage collection, has lots of > developers, and so it goes. Java has C++ syntax??? Fortunately not! I know, there are a lot of simi

Re: [Amsn-devel] Proposal for aMSN's future

2005-12-11 Thread Thomas Martinsen
C is a real good lowlevel language. So is Perl if you need highlevel stuff :) Joao Victor wrote: Not a developer, just my 2 cents... i wouldn't go for C++. First because the language is so full of details and complicated/sofisticated stuff, and second because it'll make it harder to make a libr

Re: [Amsn-devel] Proposal for aMSN's future

2005-12-11 Thread Joao Victor
Not a developer, just my 2 cents... i wouldn't go for C++. First because the language is so full of details and complicated/sofisticated stuff, and second because it'll make it harder to make a library that doesn't break ABI, since C++ has some ABI breakage problems (see: http://autopackage.org/apb

Re: [Amsn-devel] Proposal for aMSN's future

2005-12-11 Thread Karol Krizka
On Sunday 11 December 2005 13:31, Harry Vennik wrote: > Wasn't there some talk about a plugin using dbus some time ago? > Yeah, but it uses the commandline programs provided by dbus. I'm not sure how well that would work on windows. Also it dosn't support sending any messages. > Op zondag 11 dec

Re: [Amsn-devel] Proposal for aMSN's future

2005-12-11 Thread Jérôme Gagnon-Voyer
Yeah, I just added it inside amsn-extras http://cia.navi.cx/stats/project/amsn Le 05-12-11 à 16:31, Harry Vennik a écrit : Wasn't there some talk about a plugin using dbus some time ago? Op zondag 11 december 2005 22:07, schreef Karol Krizka: Me too, I could work on the dbus implementation in

Re: [Amsn-devel] Proposal for aMSN's future

2005-12-11 Thread Harry Vennik
Wasn't there some talk about a plugin using dbus some time ago? Op zondag 11 december 2005 22:07, schreef Karol Krizka: > Me too, I could work on the dbus implementation in Tcl. Sounds like an > interesting project. --- This SF.net email is spo

Re: [Amsn-devel] Proposal for aMSN's future

2005-12-11 Thread Jérôme Gagnon-Voyer
My god:|Le 05-12-11 à 16:20, GrdScarabe a écrit : ça rocks des patates !

Re: [Amsn-devel] Proposal for aMSN's future

2005-12-11 Thread GrdScarabe
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Karol Krizka wrote: > On Sunday 11 December 2005 13:13, Jérôme Gagnon-Voyer wrote: > >>That's why I said we need a serious project with serious doc and >>serious goals FIRST ;-) >> > > How about setting a time aside when everyone is free and discussi

Re: [Amsn-devel] Proposal for aMSN's future

2005-12-11 Thread GrdScarabe
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi, I don't know if I am my word in this thread as I'm not really well versed in aMSN (not yet) ... but I think it is globally a good idea to use telepathy as "framework" for all the others protocols. > But: using C++ is really a bad plan. I have neve

Re: [Amsn-devel] Proposal for aMSN's future

2005-12-11 Thread Karol Krizka
On Sunday 11 December 2005 13:13, Jérôme Gagnon-Voyer wrote: > That's why I said we need a serious project with serious doc and > serious goals FIRST ;-) > How about setting a time aside when everyone is free and discussing it on the IRC channel/MSN in realtime? > Le 05-12-11 à 16:11, Harry Venni

Re: [Amsn-devel] Proposal for aMSN's future

2005-12-11 Thread Jérôme Gagnon-Voyer
That's why I said we need a serious project with serious doc and serious goals FIRST ;-)Le 05-12-11 à 16:11, Harry Vennik a écrit :Let's watch out we're not going too fast! This thing needs quite some time of brainstorming before we will need the  amsn2 module. There are a lot of ideas. Some might

Re: [Amsn-devel] Proposal for aMSN's future

2005-12-11 Thread Karol Krizka
One thing I don't undersand is how this will work in terms of programs needed tp be running. Will the core part be a totalyl seperate program from amsn? Like will it run it the background, getting input and output not caring what sends those messages? On Sunday 11 December 2005 11:44, [EMAIL PR

Re: [Amsn-devel] Proposal for aMSN's future

2005-12-11 Thread Harry Vennik
Let's watch out we're not going too fast! This thing needs quite some time of brainstorming before we will need the amsn2 module. There are a lot of ideas. Some might not blend, and should be dropped eventually. We will disappoint people by removing things they created if we do not decide about

Re: [Amsn-devel] Proposal for aMSN's future

2005-12-11 Thread Karol Krizka
On Sunday 11 December 2005 12:30, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Hey dude, > > > that's a very interesting idea, but I'm not too sure about it... I mean, > > it's really great and we should go with it, BUT I don't think it should > > be for 0.96 or even 1.0... I think it would be a whole new thing... I

Re: [Amsn-devel] Proposal for aMSN's future

2005-12-11 Thread Harry Vennik
Okay, my first thought when reading Burgers' post was: Ooops, this seems to interfere quite much with the 'separate GUI and Protocol through events'-plans, but after some more reading, I have to admit this might be a good idea despite of that ;-) But: using C++ is really a bad plan. I have neve

Re: [Amsn-devel] Proposal for aMSN's future

2005-12-11 Thread Jérôme Gagnon-Voyer
It answers my questions... So I supose I'll wait for a kind of and then see how I can personally contribute for that project. Don't hesitate to use the Wiki to add documentation and describe all the plan. I'll try to reach developers at Adium too. As an Admin of aMSN, I aprove creating a

Re: [Amsn-devel] small patch to TeXIM

2005-12-11 Thread Jérôme Gagnon-Voyer
Thanks, done. Le 05-12-09 à 17:05, Boris Faure (billiob) a écrit : Hi! This patch changes a sentence in the config window. Could native english speakers check my english ? And it changes the behaviour of a button in the Preview window. The plugininfo.xml should be updated, but i don't know how t

Re: [Amsn-devel] Proposal for aMSN's future

2005-12-11 Thread burgerman
Hi, > You said it's compatible with OS X. > D-Bus compatible with OS X? How does it work on OS X? Yes there are some patches to make d-bus work with macosx and it will be mainstream soon. > > > > The thing is, we don't want to use Gaim's MSN protocol as a connection > > manager for telepathy. > W

Re: [Amsn-devel] Proposal for aMSN's future

2005-12-11 Thread Youness Alaoui
Yes, of course... and some people are already serious about that... Burger forked from us and made Farsight and he worked like a devil on this... Tom also forked from us and is working on his mega widgets... Some other people worked on the event system and made the new CL list working pretty

Re: [Amsn-devel] Proposal for aMSN's future

2005-12-11 Thread burgerman
Hey dude, > that's a very interesting idea, but I'm not too sure about it... I mean, > it's really great and we should go with it, BUT I don't think it should be > for 0.96 or even 1.0... I think it would be a whole new thing... I would > suggest the protocol goes into C++ code... I've alway

Re: [Amsn-devel] Proposal for aMSN's future

2005-12-11 Thread burgerman
Hey guys, Thomas, aMSN has always talked about supporting Jabber. We are open source loving people and want to advertise and proliferate open standards as much as possible. aMSN always had a big advantage was it's GUI and it's similarity to MSNs Messenger. Alot of new Linux users would feel at hom

Re: [Amsn-devel] Proposal for aMSN's future

2005-12-11 Thread Youness Alaoui
On Sun, 11 Dec 2005 15:00:32 -0500, Karol Krizka <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On Sunday 11 December 2005 11:55, Le Philousophe - Phil wrote: Very interesting !! a communication system !! We won't have to write it !! But what is bad with libgaim for Telepathy ?? A D-BUS extension shouldn't be t

Re: [Amsn-devel] Proposal for aMSN's future

2005-12-11 Thread Jérôme Gagnon-Voyer
Yeah well this needs to be a serious project. We said this kind of propositions before on the mailling list but it was always..."later...when we will get time...to rewrite everything...blabla". It needs to be serious and have a real plan.I would work on that if there's a serious plan. Le 05-12-11 à

Re: [Amsn-devel] Proposal for aMSN's future

2005-12-11 Thread Jérôme Gagnon-Voyer
Le 05-12-11 à 14:44, [EMAIL PROTECTED] a écrit : Hi guys, This will be a big email, and I hope it can generate a lot of talk. This is a proposal for the future of aMSN that benefits several parties : aMSN, Telepathy and Farsight. Now you all know Farsight, and you all know aMSN. You mig

Re: [Amsn-devel] Proposal for aMSN's future

2005-12-11 Thread Youness Alaoui
waiting for me I think, I just can't do much today... I want to finish the TODO list I have (few things, change the timeout, test it), wait for list maintainers to give their 'ok' and tag 0.95, release, make all the packages... but I think, what's really slowing us down now is that the websit

Re: [Amsn-devel] Proposal for aMSN's future

2005-12-11 Thread Youness Alaoui
Hi burger, that's a very interesting idea, but I'm not too sure about it... I mean, it's really great and we should go with it, BUT I don't think it should be for 0.96 or even 1.0... I think it would be a whole new thing... I would suggest the protocol goes into C++ code... I've always been

Re: [Amsn-devel] Proposal for aMSN's future

2005-12-11 Thread Karol Krizka
On Sunday 11 December 2005 12:08, Jérôme Gagnon-Voyer wrote: > And what are we waiting for? > I have no idea what's happening. > Le 05-12-11 à 14:56, Karol Krizka a écrit : > > we need 0.95 out of the door first. -- Karol Krizka pgpaIDs11Fpa1.pgp Description: PGP signature

Re: [Amsn-devel] Proposal for aMSN's future

2005-12-11 Thread Jérôme Gagnon-Voyer
And what are we waiting for? Le 05-12-11 à 14:56, Karol Krizka a écrit :we need 0.95 out of the door first.

Re: [Amsn-devel] At mercury's forums

2005-12-11 Thread Karol Krizka
On Sunday 11 December 2005 12:01, Youness Alaoui wrote: > haha,m I've been reading the posts.. it seems that this guy thinks mercury > is above other IM clients because it si developper by ONE developper so it > goes 'fast'... I am SO tempted to insult him at will, criticize each of > his sayings a

Re: [Amsn-devel] Proposal for aMSN's future

2005-12-11 Thread Karol Krizka
On Sunday 11 December 2005 11:55, Le Philousophe - Phil wrote: > Very interesting !! > a communication system !! We won't have to write it !! But what is bad with > libgaim for Telepathy ?? A D-BUS extension shouldn't be too hard to do ! > But if we want to rewrite all to made it saparated we shoul

Re: [Amsn-devel] At mercury's forums

2005-12-11 Thread Youness Alaoui
haha,m I've been reading the posts.. it seems that this guy thinks mercury is above other IM clients because it si developper by ONE developper so it goes 'fast'... I am SO tempted to insult him at will, criticize each of his sayings and give him a link to gmane on this thread KaKaRoTo

Re: [Amsn-devel] Proposal for aMSN's future

2005-12-11 Thread Karol Krizka
Added to wiki: http://amsn.sourceforge.net/wiki/tiki-index.php?page=telepathy Sounds like a good idea, but we need 0.95 out of the door first. On Sunday 11 December 2005 11:44, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Hi guys, > >     This will be a big email, and I hope it can generate a lot of talk. > This i

Re: [Amsn-devel] Proposal for aMSN's future

2005-12-11 Thread Le Philousophe - Phil
Very interesting !! a communication system !! We won't have to write it !! But what is bad with libgaim for Telepathy ?? A D-BUS extension shouldn't be too hard to do ! But if we want to rewrite all to made it saparated we should maybe switch to C++ or any other language not interpreted !! (Maybe

Re: [Amsn-devel] Proposal for aMSN's future

2005-12-11 Thread Thomas Martinsen
Wouldn't this be beyond the projects goal? I mean, the name is 'aMSN'. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi guys, This will be a big email, and I hope it can generate a lot of talk. This is a proposal for the future of aMSN that benefits several parties : aMSN, Telepathy and Farsight. Now you all kn

[Amsn-devel] Proposal for aMSN's future

2005-12-11 Thread burgerman
Hi guys, This will be a big email, and I hope it can generate a lot of talk. This is a proposal for the future of aMSN that benefits several parties : aMSN, Telepathy and Farsight. Now you all know Farsight, and you all know aMSN. You might not have heard of Telepathy. It's a project funded by

Re: [Amsn-devel] At mercury's forums

2005-12-11 Thread Youness Alaoui
woman... ? Tom :@ On Sun, 11 Dec 2005 14:44:53 -0500, Tom Jenkins <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Le Philousophe - Phil wrote: He lives in netherlands. Ask to Sander !!! *googles for 'cheap flights to netherlands + flamethrowers'* I am sure he will be proud to burn this code ste

Re: [Amsn-devel] At mercury's forums

2005-12-11 Thread Tom Jenkins
Le Philousophe - Phil wrote: He lives in netherlands. Ask to Sander !!! *googles for 'cheap flights to netherlands + flamethrowers'* I am sure he will be proud to burn this code stealer But isn't Youness a witch ?? :p A witch was somebody who made alchemy, etc... Youness does code alc

Re: [Amsn-devel] At mercury's forums

2005-12-11 Thread Le Philousophe - Phil
He lives in netherlands. Ask to Sander !!! I am sure he will be proud to burn this code stealer But isn't Youness a witch ?? :p A witch was somebody who made alchemy, etc... Youness does code alchemy with its reverse engineering !! :p Phil Le Sunday 11 December 2005 20:35, Tom Jenkins a écrit

Re: [Amsn-devel] At mercury's forums

2005-12-11 Thread Tom Jenkins
I can find out where he lives ;) Youness Alaoui wrote: LOOOL Tom, you're scary :o On Sun, 11 Dec 2005 14:29:17 -0500, Tom Jenkins <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Youness Alaoui wrote: Hey guys, we CAN sue him.. I mean, we already talked about that with Ole Andre, because even if he o

Re: [Amsn-devel] At mercury's forums

2005-12-11 Thread Youness Alaoui
LOOOL Tom, you're scary :o On Sun, 11 Dec 2005 14:29:17 -0500, Tom Jenkins <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Youness Alaoui wrote: Hey guys, we CAN sue him.. I mean, we already talked about that with Ole Andre, because even if he obfuscates code, it doesn't mean we can't do anything..

Re: [Amsn-devel] At mercury's forums

2005-12-11 Thread Tom Jenkins
Youness Alaoui wrote: Hey guys, we CAN sue him.. I mean, we already talked about that with Ole Andre, because even if he obfuscates code, it doesn't mean we can't do anything.. if we sue him, the government or whatever will force him to reveal the code (to government agents only) in order

Re: [Amsn-devel] At mercury's forums

2005-12-11 Thread Youness Alaoui
Hey guys, we CAN sue him.. I mean, we already talked about that with Ole Andre, because even if he obfuscates code, it doesn't mean we can't do anything.. if we sue him, the government or whatever will force him to reveal the code (to government agents only) in order to compare the two produ

Re: [Amsn-devel] At mercury's forums

2005-12-11 Thread Lz
I thought he was that kind of guy... I personally tried Mercury, but didn't like it because he may put in any malicious code that i'll never find out... I just wanted to remember those ol' days when we decided to do "small releases" every 3 months or so. I also like amsn the way it is because i d

Re: [Amsn-devel] At mercury's forums

2005-12-11 Thread burgerman
Yo, In any case, I wouldn't give it too much thought. This guy is going nowhere fast... His program offers nothing that other open source alternatives don't offer, therefore people will usually pick the open source version. On top of it, it's java, and we all know how slow java GUI apps are. No on

Re: [Amsn-devel] At mercury's forums

2005-12-11 Thread Le Philousophe - Phil
Le Dimanche 11 Décembre 2005 19:39, Joao Victor a écrit : > 2005/12/11, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > Hey guys, > > > >You should all go read the GPL a bit. There are laws against this. > > Someone can sue him. > > The problem is proving it... i've noticed he obfuscates the jar of

Re: [Amsn-devel] At mercury's forums

2005-12-11 Thread Joao Victor
2005/12/11, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > Hey guys, > >You should all go read the GPL a bit. There are laws against this. > Someone can sue him. The problem is proving it... i've noticed he obfuscates the jar of the app. Cheers, J.V. --

Re: [Amsn-devel] At mercury's forums

2005-12-11 Thread burgerman
Hey guys, You should all go read the GPL a bit. There are laws against this. Someone can sue him. Laterz, Burger On Sun, 11 Dec 2005 19:32:31 +0100 Le Philousophe - Phil <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Le Dimanche 11 Décembre 2005 19:04, Youness Alaoui a écrit : > > Well, yeah, maybe he's right

Re: [Amsn-devel] At mercury's forums

2005-12-11 Thread Le Philousophe - Phil
Le Dimanche 11 Décembre 2005 19:04, Youness Alaoui a écrit : > Well, yeah, maybe he's right, but don't forget something, this is because > of two reasons : > 1 - when we assign something to someone, it's because we can't do it > ourself because we don't have time.. and if that other person took one

Re: [Amsn-devel] At mercury's forums

2005-12-11 Thread Joao Victor
2005/12/11, Youness Alaoui <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > [...] *Exactly*. You've hit the nail on the head. Cheers, J.V. --- This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. Do you grep through log files for problems? Stop! Download the new AJAX searc

Re: [Amsn-devel] At mercury's forums

2005-12-11 Thread Boris Faure (billiob)
2005/12/11, Youness Alaoui <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > Well, yeah, maybe he's right, but don't forget something, this is because > of two reasons : > 1 - when we assign something to someone, it's because we can't do it > ourself because we don't have time.. and if that other person took one > week to do

Re: [Amsn-devel] At mercury's forums

2005-12-11 Thread Youness Alaoui
Well, yeah, maybe he's right, but don't forget something, this is because of two reasons : 1 - when we assign something to someone, it's because we can't do it ourself because we don't have time.. and if that other person took one week to do it, it's because he doesn't have time... in our cas

Re: [Amsn-devel] At mercury's forums

2005-12-11 Thread Joao Victor
The guy have wrong ideas about open-source developing. I've tried telling him why he should open it, but he was just rude... hope this other guy gets him to open it. My opinions on what he said: Why does he need 2 versions of Mercury - one closed and one open? Just do it the open way, one single

Re: [Amsn-devel] At mercury's forums

2005-12-11 Thread Jérôme Gagnon-Voyer
This guy is anti-opensource...because he doesn't understand control system. I have him on my list and often he asked me how do we manage to work multiple persons on the same code.Anyway...he would surely need someone to re-write his GUI because Mercury is so bloated of many options that you get los

Re: [Amsn-devel] At mercury's forums

2005-12-11 Thread Alvaro J. Iradier
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 yeah, he's totally right. I'll kick all of you out of the amsn team and start working just myself. I hope to have 0.95 ready in 5 years instead of only 1 year... just joking. I guess this man doesn't know much about version control systems ("I would

[Amsn-devel] At mercury's forums

2005-12-11 Thread Lz
I just read this: "the releasing it to a developer team has been one of my ideas at first, but the downside of that is that it will slow me down, if I want to rewrite the entire filetransfer handling, I would have to check with everyone to see if they are ok with it, I would have to sync every tim