ok, ok everyone, relax... I already said in a previous email that I had a
plan to organize all this and that it would be (partially) based on the
system we use at my job.. with the difference that it would take into
consideration that it is no professional product and we do this in our
free
damn, you're all answering too fast for me to keep up, I'm not even able
to answer each of your propositions... let me write my answer slowly..
please..
KKRT
On Mon, 12 Dec 2005 23:52:28 -0500, GrdScarabe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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>> I would appreciate your help in documentation. Once I have more time
>> to get things organized, I would like to start assigning documentation
>> tasks, but until then, we need to clean up what we currently have on
>> the wiki and other places.
I
On 12/12/05, GrdScarabe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> >>Personnally I'd like to work on libmsn with Youness if everybody agree ...
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> * aMSN Team (amsn1 ?).(everyone)
> * aMSN2 Team (amsn2)
> - libmsn team ...
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>>Personnally I'd like to work on libmsn with Youness if everybody agree ...
* aMSN Team (amsn1 ?).(everyone)
* aMSN2 Team (amsn2)
- libmsn team (Youness, GrdScarabe)
- D-bus for Tcl team .(Ka
On 12/12/05, Karol Krizka <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Monday 12 December 2005 18:11, GrdScarabe wrote:
> > As the (dolorous) problem of languages is fixed with a "huis-clos" (who
> > are the 8 ? :) ) ... what about discussing about the groups and the
> > global organization ...
> >
> > I think
On Monday 12 December 2005 18:11, GrdScarabe wrote:
> As the (dolorous) problem of languages is fixed with a "huis-clos" (who
> are the 8 ? :) ) ... what about discussing about the groups and the
> global organization ...
>
> I think those points are more important because :
> - the organization w
Same thing hereThe Get More plugins should be on another lineLe 05-12-12 à 21:18, Youness Alaoui a écrit :11 - plugins window doesn't seem to work correctly for Karol because of his default debian fonts...
Hello hello...
new updated list..
we still need to test the 'make rpm'!!! I asked Taj Morton for more info,
but he's not the only one with that problem, who else is able to test that
?
here are new items that popped up :
10 - make the notes window smaller (yeah :S) in order to fit in 800x600
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As the (dolorous) problem of languages is fixed with a "huis-clos" (who
are the 8 ? :) ) ... what about discussing about the groups and the
global organization ...
I think those points are more important because :
- the organization will be the key o
perfecto chica, I'll apply the fix, thanx :)
I think I'll use 3 secs, it's probably more than enough and if the
connection is slower than that, then anyways transfering webcam will be
hell...
also, IN CASE it freezes amsn in some other way, the damage won't be
noticable...
Thanks Vivia,
K
thank you, works perfect...
one little suggestion though...
pwc driver should be the number one item, and it shouldn't say 'it won't
segfault anymore...you can't use high resolution'.. make it more
official... 'those of you who are using this driver should know that this
driver is incomplete
On Monday 12 December 2005 10:57, Youness Alaoui wrote:
> 100% agree... who can do it ? simple fix ? I will tonight if not done
>
Sander already did it and I uploaded the webcamfaw.php file on the sf.net
servers.
> On Mon, 12 Dec 2005 10:58:15 -0500, Jérôme Gagnon-Voyer
>
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wr
> did you try being offline ? you need to be sure that it will timeout and
> it will USE all those 5 seconds... if you were online, you would get it
> to unfreeze in less than a second, once it's able to connect to the
> reflector... maybe not offline also... maybe offline will make it return
by the way, last time, I added myself in the release todo list, the entry
that says we should give at least a one week notice for language
maintainers before releasing a new version...
KKRT
On Mon, 12 Dec 2005 17:29:12 -0500, Vivia Nikolaidou
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
On Mon, 12 Dec 2
Hi,
sorry guys for troubling you, I know language managers are busy and I
can't do much about those new keys I added.. I tried using already
existing keys, but none was clear enough.. I do not request any work from
you on this matter for now, I mean, don't try to free the language queue
in
>On 12/12/05, Vivia Nikolaidou <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> On Mon, 12 Dec 2005, Youness Alaoui wrote:
>
> [...]
> > sorry, I lost track of this mail, forgot to complete it and send it... in
> > short, don't worry about it, I don't want to put even more pressure on
> you,
> > keep it as it is, if
On Mon, 12 Dec 2005, Youness Alaoui wrote:
[...]
> sorry, I lost track of this mail, forgot to complete it and send it... in
> short, don't worry about it, I don't want to put even more pressure on you,
> keep it as it is, if you can translate, then great, but don't feel it's part
> of the things
Hello,
totally my fault, I just fixed the plugins selector which needed a "get
more plugins" button, and the autosart for windows is also something we've
been trying to get for a while, it just had to be added...
I talked about this with other devels on IRC, and we said that we had no
choice
On Mon, 2005-12-12 at 14:25 -0600, Lee Olson wrote:
> For all of those considering java, an interesting read is found here:
>
> http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/java-trap.html
>
> Maybe some of you don't follow liscense issues closely, but it's
> definately something to consider if you want to keep
For all of those considering java, an interesting read is found here:
http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/java-trap.html
Maybe some of you don't follow liscense issues closely, but it's
definately something to consider if you want to keep aMSN accessible
in the future.
~Lee
On 12/12/05, Le Philouso
Hey,
I had an idea !!
1) Make the separation of the GUI and the Core
2) We create a libmsn for telepathy based on our current code
3) We can create a protocol plugin for aMsn to make it communicate with
Telepathy !!
Like that all is done progressively...
Phil
Le Monday 12 December 2005 16:53, Grd
Le Monday 12 December 2005 20:18, Boris Faure (billiob) a écrit :
> 2005/12/12, Youness Alaoui <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> > if you go to msnp2p.tcl or gui/protocol.tcl.. trust me, you'll become
> > suicidal :D
>
> Yes, i do !
>
> My point of view : this looks very good and a bit "the project of year".
2005/12/12, Youness Alaoui <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> if you go to msnp2p.tcl or gui/protocol.tcl.. trust me, you'll become
> suicidal :D
Yes, i do !
My point of view : this looks very good and a bit "the project of year".
Like Jerome, i just learnt TCL by reading aMSN's code. I know a bit C,
and can
You're right..
we're discussing this in the IRC channel.. I think C++ is out of the
way... it leaves Tcl and Java...
I still am a little doubtful about java.. but Tcl is not OO at all.. it's
a huge problem, but it has other advantages (we already provide tcl/tk
interpreter, we already have c
no, that's because Tcl is procedurable and you looked at aMSN code which
is a total mess... but look at other simple, modular code, you'll find it
eaiser to read..
maybe try remote.tcl or chatwindow.tcl.. you'll see clear code
if you go to msnp2p.tcl or gui/protocol.tcl.. trust me, you'll beco
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And personally, for what I saw since I am present on this list I think
you do a pretty good job...
So, I don't know if my vote is important but I support you ...
Now, for the drawbacks (sorry but critics are positive :S ), ... from
what I saw, I thin
Hi,
very good !!
I think we need an organisation because IMO it's too messy !!
You only have to look at this thread !!
Everybody speaks and everybody deviates from the initial topic !!
Some people who will never code wants to impose their point of view !
Enough
I say one thing ! Discuss on
100% agree... who can do it ? simple fix ? I will tonight if not done
On Mon, 12 Dec 2005 10:58:15 -0500, Jérôme Gagnon-Voyer
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
The FAQ Webcam button in the webcam wizard open a link to the wiki..May
be we should make a link to
amsn.sourceforge.net/webcam.php or som
I already tried! It seems easy! When we work with a bunch o languages, theres not a language hard to learn!
But there is languages that are more readabel than others
Write a API in java or C++ with no comments and say in what language
it's more easy to understand what the API does, C++ or Java
hehe, I get your point, differene is :
if you could use whatever client you want, would you go with jabber or
amsn ? especially if you're someone with a mac/linux AND windows OS...
and I'm saying if you have the choice!
now, we're doing this from scratch, so let's choose the best thing we can
Hi,
I've been getting more and more professional experience and I know how
importnat it is for a project to be documented and correctly managed...
I will be willing to manage it, in the same way I'm begining to slwoly do
it for amsn1.. up until now, it was a 'free-for-all', or 'shoot-them-all'
On 12/12/05, Youness Alaoui <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Ok, ok stop that...first, java has great javadoc support where the doc is in your source,excelent, C#, noone wants M$ crap!!! and it's NOT multiplatform... mono isan implementation where they 'try to make it work'... I prefer to use the
real th
Ok, ok stop that...
first, java has great javadoc support where the doc is in your source,
excelent, C#, noone wants M$ crap!!! and it's NOT multiplatform... mono is
an implementation where they 'try to make it work'... I prefer to use the
real thing, the same goes for java, that's why I don
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Harry Vennik wrote:
> Op maandag 12 december 2005 18:10, schreef GrdScarabe:
>
>>Humm... it is not that simple ...
>>
>>Several studies have shown that it is totally possible to have an as
>>good management and control of the development process as fo
Op maandag 12 december 2005 18:10, schreef GrdScarabe:
> Humm... it is not that simple ...
>
> Several studies have shown that it is totally possible to have an as
> good management and control of the development process as for
> "profesional developments" (I mean mostly proprietary) if the tasks a
Only bugfixes should be done to 0.95 now.
Bugfixes won't generate new keys.
But not everyone seems to stick to that.
I just check now and see new keys BAD!
Harry
Op maandag 12 december 2005 12:22, schreef Vivia Nikolaidou:
> Hello,
>
> I see new keys to be translated being constantly add
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Humm... it is not that simple ...
Several studies have shown that it is totally possible to have an as
good management and control of the development process as for
"profesional developments" (I mean mostly proprietary) if the tasks are
splitted in sm
It has to work this time, and it can. If anyone just wants to code at some
moment, there is amsn1 to work on!
Op zondag 11 december 2005 23:18, schreef Youness Alaoui:
> You're basically talking about the 'normal' way to do things ?
> from my experience, this will never be done amongst amsn deve
No option, C# is just M$'s trick to kill Java, we shouldn't approve such by
using it.
Op maandag 12 december 2005 17:15, schreef Nuno Agapito:
> I propose one solution(don't no if it work's): C#
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I think that does not concern aMSN as whole, but just libmsn ... if I've
followed everything :s
GrdScarabe
Jérôme Gagnon-Voyer wrote:
> What the hell is going on here? C#
>
> I think many people lost the track here, we're not talking about
> restar
Hmm? Did you ever try to learn TCL or you just say that without
knowledge?
ALL the developers here learnt TCL just by reading current aMSN code.
As I did. That's so easy. The easiest language to learn may be. Come
on , don't say TCL is hard, you never tried.
Le 05-12-12 à 11:15, Nuno Agapi
What the hell is going on here? C#
I think many people lost the track here, we're not talking about
restarting aMSN in a new language. This discussion is coming back
every 3months and this is NOT what we are talking about here.
Le 05-12-12 à 11:15, Nuno Agapito a écrit :
I propose one sol
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I've tried C# when Microsoft compiler was just released and ... one
think that I found just excellent was that we were able to comment the
source with xml and then extract it to generate a good doc (not a fake
one as with doxygen or whatever).
For thi
(WARNING: This is a long, boring mail :P)
Well, maybe I am the only one who doesn't feel it like a totally postitive
thing... First of all, aMSN is far from being stable on its own. Maybe it's
better to polish what we currently have than coming up with a new core and
adapting some pieces of our
Dear all,
First of all, I like to thank Jerome for moving my plugin to
amsn-extras CVS modules of aMSN :)
And also for fixing a bug in it I couldn't find after quite some
debugging (which made my learn some tcl so it was nice to do).
I would like to discuss the future of my plugin with you, as I
Youness is right... Java it's not a good solution for this project...
It's very slow, compile it kills me and the integration with non-java
applications. speaks for it self!
C++ has the problem of slow development for inexperienced
programmers!!! For experienced, it's easy too go on... but eve
The FAQ Webcam button in the webcam wizard open a link to the
wiki..May be we should make a link to
amsn.sourceforge.net/webcam.php or something like that and then
redirect to the wiki? In case we change the link of the wiki or
something like that.
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Just about telepathy, I guess that you all have already seen that link
... but just in case it can be usefull ... or for the archives :p
http://telepathy.freedesktop.org/spec.html
GrdScarabe
Youness Alaoui wrote:
> The problem with C++ is that it w
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I've read both threads again cause I thought I saw a link to the wiki to
talk about this but I cannot find it, so 2 solutions :
- There is a link and I have to buy new glasses,
- There is no link and I have to sleep cause I have hallucinations .
did you try being offline ? you need to be sure that it will timeout and
it will USE all those 5 seconds...
if you were online, you would get it to unfreeze in less than a second,
once it's able to connect to the reflector...
maybe not offline also... maybe offline will make it return immediatl
The problem with C++ is that it was made to be backward compatible with
C, which made the design have a lot of compromises... the problem with it
is that the code can get real messy, development is slow compared to java,
memory leaks,seg faults are such an easy thing to get, if the programme
> > 4 - change the plugins/Notes window to be a little bit bigger...
> >
> DONE along with wrapping for the author name + a 'get more plugins' button
The notes window was made smaller for people that have their resolution set
to 800x600 I now can not access the buttons at the bottom. At least some
> 1 - change the reflector connection timeout to a more appropriate value, 2secs
> or 5secs.. AND make sure it doesn't make amsn freeze.. if it does, a 2sec
> freeze is not that bad... needs to be tested..
> lines to change : search for '-timeout' in msncam.tcl
I remember that it doesn't freeze,
On Sun, 2005-12-11 at 17:31 -0500, Youness Alaoui wrote:
> think about one thing... who wants to learn Objective-C ? I personally
> don't.. I remember I downloaded once some program in Obj-C, it took mo so
> much just to get the compilers and compile it correctly with all its weird
> dependen
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