Re: [android-beginners] ATTENTION: Android-Beginners will be permanently disabled on August 9 2010
Il giorno mar, 03/08/2010 alle 14.49 -0400, Mark Murphy ha scritto: For those who find StackOverflow to be ineffective, or find the behavior of volunteers there to be morally reprehensible, or whatever, use the [android-developers] Google Group. The dividing line between that group and this one has been extremely blurry over the past 9-12 months. The problem with Stackoverflow, IMVHO, is that it is a QA site, not a discussion place. You ask something, someone replies. Hadrly I found even a simple thread discussing different ways to do something. Plus, I find it unusable for a casual visitor. You visit it if you have a question, search for it, maybe post a request. But it is hard to browse through a topic, or just read some messages to discover things you didn't even think where possible. This list has the right amount of traffic for casual reading during work pauses. Android-developers is way too big (1000 messages a day? I end up marking them all as read) As for searching info, I prefer Google to Stackoverflow. This way I also find blog posts, newsgroup posts, forums and this mailing list. There are other support resources as well (JavaRanch, anddev.org, etc.). I do not try to participate in all of them, as I would never get any sleep. :-) Too many, I agree, but this one was official, and was easily usable, being a mailing list. I would prefer a NNTP newsgroup, but a ml is good too. A forum or a website? Not so... If this list is discontinued, for the near term, I will be focusing on StackOverflow and [android-developers], and we will see where things go from there. I understand your position. Thanks to you and the others who bothered to help us newbies. I too will continue to read android-developers and see how it goes. As for stackoverflow, maybe google will find it sometimes. :) Bye. -- Alessandro Pellizzari -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Beginners group. ATTENTION: Android-Beginners will be permanently disabled on August 9 2010. For more information about this change, please read [http://goo.gl/xkfl] or visit the Group home page. Try asking and tagging your question on Stack Overflow at http://stackoverflow.com/questions/tagged/android To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-beginners+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-beginners?hl=en
Re: [android-beginners] ATTENTION: Android-Beginners will be permanently disabled on August 9 2010
If there are so many regrets about the closing of this list isn't it possible for anyone to create a mailing list with Google Groups? Let's call it android-for-beginners or whatever. Anyone? -- Kostya Vasilyev -- http://kmansoft.wordpress.com 04.08.2010 20:39 пользователь Alessandro Pellizzari a...@amiran.it написал: Il giorno mar, 03/08/2010 alle 14.49 -0400, Mark Murphy ha scritto: For those who find StackOverflow to be ineffective, or find the behavior of volunteers there to... The problem with Stackoverflow, IMVHO, is that it is a QA site, not a discussion place. You ask something, someone replies. Hadrly I found even a simple thread discussing different ways to do something. Plus, I find it unusable for a casual visitor. You visit it if you have a question, search for it, maybe post a request. But it is hard to browse through a topic, or just read some messages to discover things you didn't even think where possible. This list has the right amount of traffic for casual reading during work pauses. Android-developers is way too big (1000 messages a day? I end up marking them all as read) As for searching info, I prefer Google to Stackoverflow. This way I also find blog posts, newsgroup posts, forums and this mailing list. There are other support resources as well (JavaRanch, anddev.org, etc.). I do not try to partic... Too many, I agree, but this one was official, and was easily usable, being a mailing list. I would prefer a NNTP newsgroup, but a ml is good too. A forum or a website? Not so... If this list is discontinued, for the near term, I will be focusing on StackOverflow and [andro... I understand your position. Thanks to you and the others who bothered to help us newbies. I too will continue to read android-developers and see how it goes. As for stackoverflow, maybe google will find it sometimes. :) Bye. -- Alessandro Pellizzari -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Beginners g... -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Beginners group. ATTENTION: Android-Beginners will be permanently disabled on August 9 2010. For more information about this change, please read [http://goo.gl/xkfl] or visit the Group home page. Try asking and tagging your question on Stack Overflow at http://stackoverflow.com/questions/tagged/android To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-beginners+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-beginners?hl=en
Re: [android-beginners] ATTENTION: Android-Beginners will be permanently disabled on August 9 2010
2010/8/4 Kostya Vasilyev kmans...@gmail.com If there are so many regrets about the closing of this list isn't it possible for anyone to create a mailing list with Google Groups? Let's call it android-for-beginners or whatever. Anyone? On Tue, Aug 3, 2010 at 12:52 PM, Greg Donald gdon...@gmail.com wrote: I don't see any reason why we can't have one that's not moderated by Google: http://groups.google.com/group/android-for-beginners Moderator volunteers please contact me after joining. - TreKing http://sites.google.com/site/rezmobileapps/treking - Chicago transit tracking app for Android-powered devices -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Beginners group. ATTENTION: Android-Beginners will be permanently disabled on August 9 2010. For more information about this change, please read [http://goo.gl/xkfl] or visit the Group home page. Try asking and tagging your question on Stack Overflow at http://stackoverflow.com/questions/tagged/android To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-beginners+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-beginners?hl=en
Re: [android-beginners] ATTENTION: Android-Beginners will be permanently disabled on August 9 2010
I agree with everyone else that has commented on this thread. I have personally receive a fare amount of help from this group. I also have attempted to answer a couple questions. I really feel the loss of this group will be a large set back for new developers. On Mon, Aug 2, 2010 at 4:37 PM, Roman N (Google Employee) romannu...@google.com wrote: Hi all, Next week, on Monday, August 9th, 2010 at 9am PDT, this Google Group and associated email alias will be permanently disabled and placed into archive mode. All new messages and replies will be automatically rejected. Existing messages and threads will still be available online at http://groups.google.com/group/android-beginners, but closed to further discussion. Please direct your questions to other discussion forums, as per these recommendations: - All new, beginner-level questions related to Android application development should be posted on Stack Overflow: Android questions: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/tagged/android Stack Overflow FAQ: http://stackoverflow.com/faq Ask a question: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/ask For more background on Android and Stack Overflow, please see this blog post: http://android-developers.blogspot.com/2009/12/hello-stack-overflow.html - All existing, unanswered questions on Android-Beginners, that are directly related to Android application development, should be posted to Stack Overflow. Please read the Stack Overflow FAQ and look at examples of popular questions on the site before posting. - All new, advanced questions related to Android application development should be posted to either Stack Overflow or the Android- Developers group: http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers - As before, all new Android questions not directly related to Android application development should be posted to the Android-Discuss group: http://groups.google.com/group/android-discuss Please reply to this thread if there are any questions or concerns. Thanks, Roman Nurik Android Developer Relations -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Beginners group. NEW! Try asking and tagging your question on Stack Overflow at http://stackoverflow.com/questions/tagged/android To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-beginners+unsubscr...@googlegroups.comandroid-beginners%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-beginners?hl=en -- Kevin Proverbs 21:6 -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Beginners group. ATTENTION: Android-Beginners will be permanently disabled on August 9 2010. For more information about this change, please read [http://goo.gl/xkfl] or visit the Group home page. Try asking and tagging your question on Stack Overflow at http://stackoverflow.com/questions/tagged/android To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-beginners+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-beginners?hl=en
Re: [android-beginners] ATTENTION: Android-Beginners will be permanently disabled on August 9 2010
On Tue, Aug 3, 2010 at 12:36 PM, Kevin Brooks bear35...@gmail.com wrote: I agree with everyone else that has commented on this thread. I don't see any reason why we can't have one that's not moderated by Google: http://groups.google.com/group/android-for-beginners Moderator volunteers please contact me after joining. -- Greg Donald destiney.com | gregdonald.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Beginners group. ATTENTION: Android-Beginners will be permanently disabled on August 9 2010. For more information about this change, please read [http://goo.gl/xkfl] or visit the Group home page. Try asking and tagging your question on Stack Overflow at http://stackoverflow.com/questions/tagged/android To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-beginners+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-beginners?hl=en
Re: [android-beginners] ATTENTION: Android-Beginners will be permanently disabled on August 9 2010
I have joined it as well, and will continue to provide support and help on that list... Hopefully a few of the other major contributors will join and help out as well. -- There are only 10 types of people in the world... Those who know binary and those who don't. -- On Tue, Aug 3, 2010 at 11:59 AM, Kevin Brooks bear35...@gmail.com wrote: I just joined the new group. Hopefully Mark Murphy will decide to join as well an Volunteer to be a Moderator. On Tue, Aug 3, 2010 at 12:52 PM, Greg Donald gdon...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Aug 3, 2010 at 12:36 PM, Kevin Brooks bear35...@gmail.com wrote: I agree with everyone else that has commented on this thread. I don't see any reason why we can't have one that's not moderated by Google: http://groups.google.com/group/android-for-beginners Moderator volunteers please contact me after joining. -- Greg Donald destiney.com | gregdonald.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Beginners group. ATTENTION: Android-Beginners will be permanently disabled on August 9 2010. For more information about this change, please read [ http://goo.gl/xkfl] or visit the Group home page. Try asking and tagging your question on Stack Overflow at http://stackoverflow.com/questions/tagged/android To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-beginners+unsubscr...@googlegroups.comandroid-beginners%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-beginners?hl=en -- Kevin Proverbs 21:6 -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Beginners group. ATTENTION: Android-Beginners will be permanently disabled on August 9 2010. For more information about this change, please read [http://goo.gl/xkfl] or visit the Group home page. Try asking and tagging your question on Stack Overflow at http://stackoverflow.com/questions/tagged/android To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-beginners+unsubscr...@googlegroups.comandroid-beginners%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-beginners?hl=en -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Beginners group. ATTENTION: Android-Beginners will be permanently disabled on August 9 2010. For more information about this change, please read [http://goo.gl/xkfl] or visit the Group home page. Try asking and tagging your question on Stack Overflow at http://stackoverflow.com/questions/tagged/android To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-beginners+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-beginners?hl=en
Re: [android-beginners] ATTENTION: Android-Beginners will be permanently disabled on August 9 2010
On Tue, Aug 3, 2010 at 1:59 PM, Kevin Brooks bear35...@gmail.com wrote: I just joined the new group. Hopefully Mark Murphy will decide to join as well an Volunteer to be a Moderator. Personally, I would recommend people use StackOverflow. For those who find StackOverflow to be ineffective, or find the behavior of volunteers there to be morally reprehensible, or whatever, use the [android-developers] Google Group. The dividing line between that group and this one has been extremely blurry over the past 9-12 months. There are other support resources as well (JavaRanch, anddev.org, etc.). I do not try to participate in all of them, as I would never get any sleep. :-) If this list is discontinued, for the near term, I will be focusing on StackOverflow and [android-developers], and we will see where things go from there. -- Mark Murphy (a Commons Guy) http://commonsware.com | http://github.com/commonsguy http://commonsware.com/blog | http://twitter.com/commonsguy Android Development Wiki: http://wiki.andmob.org -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Beginners group. ATTENTION: Android-Beginners will be permanently disabled on August 9 2010. For more information about this change, please read [http://goo.gl/xkfl] or visit the Group home page. Try asking and tagging your question on Stack Overflow at http://stackoverflow.com/questions/tagged/android To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-beginners+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-beginners?hl=en
Re: [android-beginners] ATTENTION: Android-Beginners will be permanently disabled on August 9 2010
I have been providing help on this group for well over a year now... The only reason I am really able to do this is because it is a mailing list... I get an email for every post on this group and I do my best to answer every one that I can. Is there a similar functionality with StackOverflow? I looked when using StackOverflow was officially announced on this group but couldn't find anything. If this functionality does not exist in StackOverflow then the only way I will be able to provide help for new users is when I myself have a question and happen to come across a question I know the answer to while searching for an answer to my question... Not that I think the loss of my help is particularly disastrous to the Android Beginners out there (some would probably say that it is actually a blessing, really) but I have enjoyed answering questions and I don't feel I will be able to provide the same level of help on StackOverflow. Why is this list getting disabled but the others are not? Are the others going to be disabled at some later point? Thanks, Justin -- There are only 10 types of people in the world... Those who know binary and those who don't. -- On Mon, Aug 2, 2010 at 3:37 PM, Roman N (Google Employee) romannu...@google.com wrote: Hi all, Next week, on Monday, August 9th, 2010 at 9am PDT, this Google Group and associated email alias will be permanently disabled and placed into archive mode. All new messages and replies will be automatically rejected. Existing messages and threads will still be available online at http://groups.google.com/group/android-beginners, but closed to further discussion. Please direct your questions to other discussion forums, as per these recommendations: - All new, beginner-level questions related to Android application development should be posted on Stack Overflow: Android questions: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/tagged/android Stack Overflow FAQ: http://stackoverflow.com/faq Ask a question: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/ask For more background on Android and Stack Overflow, please see this blog post: http://android-developers.blogspot.com/2009/12/hello-stack-overflow.html - All existing, unanswered questions on Android-Beginners, that are directly related to Android application development, should be posted to Stack Overflow. Please read the Stack Overflow FAQ and look at examples of popular questions on the site before posting. - All new, advanced questions related to Android application development should be posted to either Stack Overflow or the Android- Developers group: http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers - As before, all new Android questions not directly related to Android application development should be posted to the Android-Discuss group: http://groups.google.com/group/android-discuss Please reply to this thread if there are any questions or concerns. Thanks, Roman Nurik Android Developer Relations -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Beginners group. NEW! Try asking and tagging your question on Stack Overflow at http://stackoverflow.com/questions/tagged/android To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-beginners+unsubscr...@googlegroups.comandroid-beginners%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-beginners?hl=en -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Beginners group. ATTENTION: Android-Beginners will be permanently disabled on August 9 2010. For more information about this change, please read [http://goo.gl/xkfl] or visit the Group home page. Try asking and tagging your question on Stack Overflow at http://stackoverflow.com/questions/tagged/android To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-beginners+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-beginners?hl=en
