As the author of smali/baksmali (which apktool uses in the background)
I wanted to chime in on this thread. I personally in no way condone
using my tools for piracy, although I obviously can't restrict them
from being used for that purpose. As many people in this thread have
pointed out, there are
On 13 Mai, 19:17, Jay Gischer j...@gischer.net wrote:
Let's say then, that someone comes out with a really nice way to
handle some ui issues. It's very likely that they spent quite a bit
of time evolving those ideas, trying things and throwing away a lot of
things that didn't work. Sure,
On 13 Mai, 20:21, Greg Donald gdon...@gmail.com wrote:
So when someone gets murdered with a gun, you blame the gun manufacturer?
American civil law system allows you to do this. Not sure though
there was some
success
When someone breaks into your house, you blame the window manufacturer
On May 14, 6:38 am, Kumar Bibek coomar@gmail.com wrote:
Good USE !!! that was funny... lol
Bad people think that every person is similar to them, so they just
don't believe anyone could do some good thing. This is your problem.
lololololol...
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On Fri, May 14, 2010 at 1:39 AM, ko5tik kpriblo...@yahoo.com wrote:
It depends on promisses of window manufacturer. It this was
shatterproof
window designed to stand bazooka then I will blame manufacturer
Exactly.. Java is compiled to bytecode with zero promises of being
protected against
On May 14, 2:10 pm, Greg Donald gdon...@gmail.com wrote:
Exactly.. Java is compiled to bytecode with zero promises of being
protected against decompilation, and as I already mentioned in this
thread, it also fully supports reflection.
Yeah, I am terrified of all these Eclipse, Netbeans and
This whole thread is making me see red, thanks to people spouting off
without knowing what they're talking about. I guess it's just an
emotional topic.
I was going to make the same point as you about Reengineering itself
is an illegal use.
But since you beat me to it, I'll point out that there
Ryszard
You should rethink, whether there is really any sense in stealing
something from your app. Ideas, design and appearance could be
stolen by just looking at it. Algorithms? It is really hard to
analyze simple loop in smali code - it's asm, you know. If you really
want to not let other
2010/5/12 Ryszard Wiśniewski brut.a...@gmail.com
Hi,
I'm a maker of this apktool toolchain.
I want to know, what, do you think, someone could steal from your
apps? Some great algorithms? From phone app? Layouts? Localization
strings?
I'm not against decompilers and have no problem with
Yeah, I understand. What I wanted to say is Android wasn't designed to
be secure. Most of things that apktool gives you are doable without it
and within a reasonable time.
Logos, you say? Just unzip apk file, replace some images, pack it,
resign and that's it. Strings are harder, but as long as
On Thu, May 13, 2010 at 12:17 PM, Jay Gischer j...@gischer.net wrote:
With this tool, you could take an existing app that took perhaps
months to develop and in a day or two, change all the logos and
cosmetics, and resell it as your own work.
So when someone gets murdered with a gun, you blame
I understand why developers like Jay G. are upset but ultimately this
problem lies with Google, not authors of decompilers. If the app is not
encrypted on the device, hacking is dead simple. Keep in mind, DRM is
patented encumbered so getting one on the device could easily drive up the
cost of a
I think a better analogy would be an anti-aircraft missile, you don't
go deer hunting with a Stinger or SA-8, you use it to shoot down
aircraft. Since this tool really has only one real purpose, to allow
people to pirate code, I think the gun analogy is a bit off.
On the other hand, if this
On Thu, May 13, 2010 at 2:34 PM, Maps.Huge.Info (Maps API Guru)
cor...@gmail.com wrote:
Since this tool really has only one real purpose
This tool has multiple uses. Go back and read the thread.
For the tool to simply exist is not a crime no matter how much you
want it to be. The tool itself
An anti-aircraft missile has multiple purposes as well. It can be used
as a hammer or paperweight, can be a really nice conversation piece in
the living room or an auction item on e-bay. None of those are the
real purpose though, sort of like this tool.
-John Coryat
On May 13, 2:46 pm, Greg
On Thu, May 13, 2010 at 2:56 PM, Maps.Huge.Info (Maps API Guru)
cor...@gmail.com wrote:
An anti-aircraft missile has multiple purposes as well. It can be used
as a hammer or paperweight, can be a really nice conversation piece in
the living room or an auction item on e-bay. None of those are
You have an interesting analogy, though just because *you* say that
the proper use for this tool is pirating code - doesn't mean it is. A
missle is designed to travel, hit a target and deliver a payload. Of
course you could use it as a hammer, but that's not it's purpose.
Reengineering can be a
On May 13, 9:34 pm, Maps.Huge.Info (Maps API Guru)
cor...@gmail.com wrote:
I think a better analogy would be an anti-aircraft missile, you don't
go deer hunting with a Stinger or SA-8, you use it to shoot down
aircraft. Since this tool really has only one real purpose, to allow
people to
Bytecode is not possible to be secured, but there's always NDK and I
really doubt someone could decompile successfully a -O2 compiled
library.
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Good USE !!! that was funny... lol
On May 14, 2:46 am, Ryszard Wiśniewski brut.a...@gmail.com wrote:
On May 13, 9:34 pm, Maps.Huge.Info (Maps API Guru)
cor...@gmail.com wrote:
I think a better analogy would be an anti-aircraft missile, you don't
go deer hunting with a Stinger or SA-8, you
On 11 Mai, 18:00, Nathan critter...@crittermap.com wrote:
Baloney. Reengineering itself is an illegal use. There is no GOOD
purpose it should be used for. It is a piracy tool pure and simple.
It depends on your jurisdiction. German common law actually allowsit
in some cases
( to be honest
Did you guys notice anything about ProGuard actually supporting
encryption? Nope. It just says obfuscator.
Hence why I put 'obfuscator', had I meant encryption I would have
written that.
Its pretty standard practice in the 'real world' to obfuscate byte
code. Yes, it isn't encrypted, I have
On Tue, May 11, 2010 at 12:00 PM, Nathan critter...@crittermap.com wrote:
It is a tool for reengineering 3rd party, closed, binary Android
apps.
It is NOT intended for piracy and other non-legal uses. It could be
used for localizing, adding some features or support for custom
platforms and
Hi,
I'm a maker of this apktool toolchain.
I want to know, what, do you think, someone could steal from your
apps? Some great algorithms? From phone app? Layouts? Localization
strings? Also we shouldn't forget about the fact, that anyone could
just download any app from Market and place it on
On May 11, 11:00 am, Nathan critter...@crittermap.com wrote:
I don't know, but I find the summary of it interesting. .
SNIP
Baloney. Reengineering itself is an illegal use. There is no GOOD
purpose it should be used for. It is a piracy tool pure and simple.
Nathan
I disagree.
Reverse
I don't know, but I find the summary of it interesting. .
It is a tool for reengineering 3rd party, closed, binary Android
apps.
It is NOT intended for piracy and other non-legal uses. It could be
used for localizing, adding some features or support for custom
platforms and other GOOD purposes.
Interesting that it's hosted on google as well!
On May 11, 6:00 pm, Nathan critter...@crittermap.com wrote:
I don't know, but I find the summary of it interesting. .
It is a tool for reengineering 3rd party, closed, binary Android
apps.
It is NOT intended for piracy and other non-legal
Has anyone tried using an obfuscator on their app before apk'ing it?
Something like http://proguard.sourceforge.net/
I'm going to give it a try and then try to reverse engineer it to see
if it helps.
Don't like the idea of people reverse engineering our code either...
On May 11, 12:00 pm,
That looks good. But I have no idea how to use it?
I've been trying to find a tutorial for it. Have you found that?
-André
On May 11, 6:09 pm, pacoder sove...@gmail.com wrote:
Has anyone tried using an obfuscator on their app before apk'ing it?
Something likehttp://proguard.sourceforge.net/
Proguard make it a bit harder to RE, but it'll still possible (and the
APKtool gives you possibility to debug which is a really powerful RE
tool), moreover you cannot use all of proguard optimization because
you will not be able to convert classes to dex, in fact you can only
use shrink and
On Tue, May 11, 2010 at 1:03 PM, André pha...@hotmail.com wrote:
That looks good. But I have no idea how to use it?
I've been trying to find a tutorial for it. Have you found that?
Did you guys notice anything about ProGuard actually supporting
encryption? Nope. It just says obfuscator.
or... the surest way to prevent anyone from copying your code is to
write such a crappy app that nobody will want it.
In the JavaScript world, where I usually live, code piracy is a way of
life. Just accept it as a compliment and move on.
-John Coryat
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