[android-developers] Re: Android market hiding apps with bluetooth permissions from Android 1.5 and 1.6

2010-07-16 Thread Sam
On a lighter note it's nice we don't have these two: or On Jul 16, 6:32 am, Robert Green wrote: > Thank you guys for posting this!  I dropped my first game with > bluetooth controller support which is designed to go back to 1.5 and I > freaked out for a minute when it didn't show up.  All i

[android-developers] Re: Android market hiding apps with bluetooth permissions from Android 1.5 and 1.6

2010-07-15 Thread Robert Green
Thank you guys for posting this! I dropped my first game with bluetooth controller support which is designed to go back to 1.5 and I freaked out for a minute when it didn't show up. All is well now. On Jul 15, 9:31 am, Pent wrote: > > Of course make sure you test on the the minimum SDK you defi

[android-developers] Re: Android market hiding apps with bluetooth permissions from Android 1.5 and 1.6

2010-07-15 Thread Pent
> Of course make sure you test on the the minimum SDK you define - to > check your app behavior and check you haven't used any APIs that were > introduced in later versions. That is an advantage of working with the matching SDK version of course... But anyway, looks like it's going to work, thank

Re: [android-developers] Re: Android market hiding apps with bluetooth permissions from Android 1.5 and 1.6

2010-07-15 Thread Samuel Lawson
Actually it is nicely explained here: http://developer.android.com/guide/topics/manifest/uses-sdk-element.html On Thu, Jul 15, 2010 at 10:08 PM, Samuel Lawson wrote: > When you compile you won't be able to use any APIs introduced after > your target SDK. > > It won't prevent your app from appear

Re: [android-developers] Re: Android market hiding apps with bluetooth permissions from Android 1.5 and 1.6

2010-07-15 Thread Samuel Lawson
When you compile you won't be able to use any APIs introduced after your target SDK. It won't prevent your app from appearing on earlier devices, that's purely down to the your minimum SDK chosen. Of course make sure you test on the the minimum SDK you define - to check your app behavior and chec

[android-developers] Re: Android market hiding apps with bluetooth permissions from Android 1.5 and 1.6

2010-07-15 Thread Pent
> Why don't you just set your target sdk higher? > I think this may be a 'doh' moment and going slightly off topic. I've been building the cupcake version of my app with the project target 3 because if I build it with a higher target eclipse shows a big red cross there when going to install it on

[android-developers] Re: Android market hiding apps with bluetooth permissions from Android 1.5 and 1.6

2010-07-15 Thread Sam
Why don't you just set your target sdk higher? On Jul 15, 6:38 pm, Pent wrote: > > At any rate, the correct thing for an app developer to do is > > explicitly state which features they care about, and you can there use > > android:required="false" to tell Market not to filter your app based on it

Re: [android-developers] Re: Android market hiding apps with bluetooth permissions from Android 1.5 and 1.6

2010-07-15 Thread Samuel Lawson
Why don't you just set your target sdk higher? On Thu, Jul 15, 2010 at 6:38 PM, Pent wrote: >> At any rate, the correct thing for an app developer to do is >> explicitly state which features they care about, and you can there use >> android:required="false" to tell Market not to filter your app b

[android-developers] Re: Android market hiding apps with bluetooth permissions from Android 1.5 and 1.6

2010-07-15 Thread Pent
> At any rate, the correct thing for an app developer to do is > explicitly state which features they care about, and you can there use > android:required="false" to tell Market not to filter your app based on it. I put this in my manifest: Building against the cupcake or donut SDK in

[android-developers] Re: Android market hiding apps with bluetooth permissions from Android 1.5 and 1.6

2010-07-14 Thread Joe
Also the bluetooth documentation does not mention "features" at all - only permissions: http://developer.android.com/guide/topics/wireless/bluetooth.html#Permissions Could also do with an update, thanks On Jul 15, 3:41 am, Dianne Hackborn wrote: > Market does not filtering based on permission.

[android-developers] Re: Android market hiding apps with bluetooth permissions from Android 1.5 and 1.6

2010-07-14 Thread Joe
It would help if the documented list of features included bluetooth: http://developer.android.com/guide/topics/manifest/uses-feature-element.html On Jul 15, 3:41 am, Dianne Hackborn wrote: > Market does not filtering based on permission.  There is no need to follow > that line of thought (an

[android-developers] Re: Android market hiding apps with bluetooth permissions from Android 1.5 and 1.6

2010-07-14 Thread Joe
Thanks for the solution! On Jul 15, 3:41 am, Dianne Hackborn wrote: > Market does not filtering based on permission.  There is no need to follow > that line of thought (and it is no argument for wanting the feature that was > brought up here). > > The aapt tool is starting to infer features based

Re: [android-developers] Re: Android market hiding apps with bluetooth permissions from Android 1.5 and 1.6

2010-07-14 Thread Jonas Petersson
On 07/15/2010 12:37 AM, Dianne Hackborn wrote: We are not having optional permissions any time soon. Oh well, at least I know now what to tell those who keep nagging me about it. And no, these are not the same thing, permissions are about security and the other tags are about compatibility.

Re: [android-developers] Re: Android market hiding apps with bluetooth permissions from Android 1.5 and 1.6

2010-07-14 Thread Dianne Hackborn
We are not having optional permissions any time soon. And no, these are not the same thing, permissions are about security and the other tags are about compatibility. And hey... "5 new stars in the last 24 hours..." You've been telling people to star this bug because you associated it with a co

Re: [android-developers] Re: Android market hiding apps with bluetooth permissions from Android 1.5 and 1.6

2010-07-14 Thread Jonas Petersson
On 07/14/2010 09:41 PM, Dianne Hackborn wrote: [...] At any rate, the correct thing for an app developer to do is explicitly state which features they care about, and you can there use android:required="false" to tell Market not to filter your app based on it. Let's see, to summarize the mani

[android-developers] Re: Android market hiding apps with bluetooth permissions from Android 1.5 and 1.6

2010-07-14 Thread piemm...@googlemail.com
Just to (hopefully!) help others out here (I don't really post, but as Diannes comments on messages in the past have saved me *lots* of time - thankyou!), here is what the majority of you are probably looking for: If your app doesn't need Bluetooth to work, but it is a nice feature, then you'll

Re: [android-developers] Re: Android market hiding apps with bluetooth permissions from Android 1.5 and 1.6

2010-07-14 Thread Dianne Hackborn
Market does not filtering based on permission. There is no need to follow that line of thought (and it is no argument for wanting the feature that was brought up here). The aapt tool is starting to infer features based on permissions, to prevent old applications from being delivered on devices th

[android-developers] Re: Android market hiding apps with bluetooth permissions from Android 1.5 and 1.6

2010-07-14 Thread Joe
Exactly why it's a problem when they up date Bluetooth File Transfer app and it disappears for pre android 2 devices This only affects updates. On Jul 14, 5:26 pm, "Jonas Petersson" wrote: > On 07/14/2010 10:54 AM, Joe wrote: > > > I can see why Google wouldn't want to complicate the permiss

Re: [android-developers] Re: Android market hiding apps with bluetooth permissions from Android 1.5 and 1.6

2010-07-14 Thread Jonas Petersson
On 07/14/2010 10:54 AM, Joe wrote: I can see why Google wouldn't want to complicate the permissions for a user. I am not suggesting they let the user choose which permissions to allow. An obvious issue with doing that is that users could "break" your app by crippling the permissions, and then co

[android-developers] Re: Android market hiding apps with bluetooth permissions from Android 1.5 and 1.6

2010-07-14 Thread Joe
I can see why Google wouldn't want to complicate the permissions for a user. I am not suggesting they let the user choose which permissions to allow. An obvious issue with doing that is that users could "break" your app by crippling the permissions, and then complain it doesn't work and give you a

[android-developers] Re: Android market hiding apps with bluetooth permissions from Android 1.5 and 1.6

2010-07-13 Thread DonFrench
Ok, I clicked the star and added my support. On Jul 13, 12:17 pm, "Jonas Petersson" wrote: > On 07/13/2010 09:05 PM, DonFrench wrote: >  > > [Joe's app ] > > > So Bluetooth is not necessary to benefit from using your app but those > > whose phones support it can reap the additional Bluetooth bene

Re: [android-developers] Re: Android market hiding apps with bluetooth permissions from Android 1.5 and 1.6

2010-07-13 Thread Kostya Vasilyev
To original poster: I am guessing you are already using reflection to use Android 1.5 Bluetooth APIs vs. 2.0 APIs, similar to this: http://code.google.com/p/backport-android-bluetooth If that's the case, seems like you don't have to rely on Market to only make your app available to phones w

Re: [android-developers] Re: Android market hiding apps with bluetooth permissions from Android 1.5 and 1.6

2010-07-13 Thread Michael MacDonald
Seems like a work-around for that would be to have a base app that only requests the base permissions, and have it on-demand install an optional add-on that requests the additional permissions. The base app calls into the add-on to do the additional functionality. On 07/13/10 15:17, Jonas Peterss

Re: [android-developers] Re: Android market hiding apps with bluetooth permissions from Android 1.5 and 1.6

2010-07-13 Thread Jonas Petersson
On 07/13/2010 09:05 PM, DonFrench wrote: > > [Joe's app ] So Bluetooth is not necessary to benefit from using your app but those whose phones support it can reap the additional Bluetooth benefits that you so thoughtfully added, is that it?. Since your app is still valuable even without Bluetoot

[android-developers] Re: Android market hiding apps with bluetooth permissions from Android 1.5 and 1.6

2010-07-13 Thread DonFrench
So Bluetooth is not necessary to benefit from using your app but those whose phones support it can reap the additional Bluetooth benefits that you so thoughtfully added, is that it?. Since your app is still valuable even without Bluetooth functionality, people with pre-2.0 phones should not be pr

[android-developers] Re: Android market hiding apps with bluetooth permissions from Android 1.5 and 1.6

2010-07-13 Thread Pent
I posted on this week or so ago, guess it will affect more and more developers with time. Pent -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Android Developers" group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from thi

[android-developers] Re: Android market hiding apps with bluetooth permissions from Android 1.5 and 1.6

2010-07-13 Thread Joe
Actually even though pre 2.0 devices don't support bluetooth fully - you can make your apps backward compatible. Which of course my apps are. It's a mistake by Google to now filter them from the market for 1.5 and 1.6 devices. The apps require the bluetooth permissions - they do not require the bl

[android-developers] Re: Android market hiding apps with bluetooth permissions from Android 1.5 and 1.6

2010-07-12 Thread DonFrench
I guess the lack of API support for Bluetooth is the reason Google doesn't show Bluetooth-capable apps for pre-2.0 devices? Out of curiosity, what are you doing to get around the lack of Bluetooth support in the APIs prior to 2.0? On Jul 10, 5:33 am, Joe wrote: > Hi > > I released updates of my