Why extend ListActivity? extend Activity class.
Thanks and Regards,
Kumar Bibek
On Apr 5, 2:43 pm, Nubh nubh.bharg...@gmail.com wrote:
Hi,
I am newbie in Android Application Development. I am trying to invoke
a list in spinner can anyone tell me where I am having trouble. Please
help. Here
Not sure why you say not Android. Android has supported SPP Bluetooth
since API level 5 (Android 2.0). Check out the BluetoothChat
example. You might need to change the UUID to
1101--1000-8000-00805F9B34FB but otherwise it works fine.
On Apr 3, 4:36 am, Holston holsto...@googlemail.com
Brill, thanks for comment. using your approach, do you run a DEBUG
build on a real device and still succeed in map api?
my apk has no problem telling itself if it is running on emulator or
not, because running on emulator an apk should always assume itself a
debug build. my release build has no
Certainly not obvious what you are doing or why it doesn't work. Can
you boil this down to a short example that causes the problem so we
can see the code rather than just a long logcat?
On Apr 5, 8:30 am, Jason LeBlanc jasonalebl...@gmail.com wrote:
Is there an obvious reason why I am able to
I don't have an answer yet. This has happened to me and at least one
other person on this list.
I sent the Device Seeding address an email on Thursday and have not
heard back yet (I figure it may take them time to respond, since it
has only been 1 day really).
Mine arrived empty and I had to
On Mon, Apr 5, 2010 at 12:39 PM, Brill Pappin br...@pappin.ca wrote:
My solution was a little bit of code that checks to see if your running in
the emulator or not.
Running in the emulator IS NOT the same as running in debug. You can run a
release APK on the emulator (and you should be for
Thanks for the response. I was wondering whether there was a way to
use the camcorder app without having to download the whole source code
into my app, since the app is already in the phone. Downloading it
separately for my app would cause redundancy. However, if that is the
only solution, we
You can try to put your splash screen logic in the onStart method.
It is triggered everytime your activity is shown.
Yahel
On 5 avr, 12:04, kavitha kavith...@gmail.com wrote:
Hi Kumar,,
I guess Dror520 is doing same,,even i am using same,,,
But OnCreate() method is not called at all upon
You server side script like PHP :
http://www.mysite.com/index.php?Variable=myvalue
And use php to make the selected item in your select depend on the
value in Variable.
Yahel
On 5 avr, 17:06, giuseppe giuma...@gmail.com wrote:
I use webview app to open a web page (url). This web page has a
Try this: close the emulator and eclipse, kill adb (adb kill-server) and
start over.
On Mon, Apr 5, 2010 at 6:56 AM, Umer Farooq uu_far...@hotmail.com wrote:
[2010-04-05 11:43:21 - Notepadv2] --
[2010-04-05 11:43:21 - Notepadv2] Android Launch!
[2010-04-05 11:43:21
Yup, onStart is a good option. :)
Thanks and Regards,
Kumar Bibek
On Apr 5, 11:56 pm, Yahel kaye...@gmail.com wrote:
You can try to put your splash screen logic in the onStart method.
It is triggered everytime your activity is shown.
Yahel
On 5 avr, 12:04, kavitha kavith...@gmail.com
[2010-04-05 11:44:26 - Notepadv2] Failed to upload Notepadv2.apk on
device 'emulator-5554'
[2010-04-05 11:44:26 - Notepadv2] java.io.IOException: Unable to
upload file: timeout
Try again. Simple.
If it happens everytime, try shutting resetting your emulator and
eclipse.
Thanks and Regards,
thanks and have a nice lunch :)
On Apr 5, 11:55 am, ~ TreKing treking...@gmail.com wrote:
On Mon, Apr 5, 2010 at 12:39 PM, Brill Pappin br...@pappin.ca wrote:
My solution was a little bit of code that checks to see if your running in
the emulator or not.
Running in the emulator IS NOT the
I've been fighting with styling on ExpandableListView as well (an area
that could use some improvement in a future release).
The problem with the current implementation is in the selector element
for the group expander. It can be found in expander_group.xml and
looks like this:
selector
On Mon, Apr 5, 2010 at 4:43 AM, Nubh nubh.bharg...@gmail.com wrote:
I am trying to invoke a list in spinner can anyone tell me where I am
having trouble.
What, exactly, is the problem you're having?
Also, you probably shouldn't call your class Spinner - this is just going
to lead to
On Sun, Apr 4, 2010 at 2:23 AM, justin justinnrroeb...@gmail.com wrote:
Is their a way to browse/edit the phones files via usb?
If you mean the files stored locally on the phone, no, you can't browse or
edit these.
It's downright crazy. I don't think it's all the Android Market
department's fault, as they relay on Google Checkout to handle
payment, but the checkout folks will not allow a Canadian address or
account information as a seller (I was able to buy my N1 through the
market without any problem
Hello,
thanks for your answer. Meanwhile I found a very satisfying solution.
In my layout xml I used scaled-independend pixels:
?xml version=1.0 encoding=utf-8?
LinearLayout xmlns:android=http://schemas.android.com/apk/res/
android
android:orientation=vertical
Is there a way for a background thread to determine if an activity
within the same process is the current activity?
I have a subscription based application with a trial period that
periodically updates information on a background thread. If the
background thread detects that the trial period has
Hi,
AndFTP provides intents for third party applications to transfer files/
folders to any FTP, SFTP or FTPS server from sdcard. Here is a sample
for upload:
Intent intent = new Intent();
intent.setAction(Intent.ACTION_PICK);
// FTP URL (Starts with ftp://, sftp:// or ftps:// followed by
Looks like I spoke too soon. I must not have tried the combination
before, but specifying:
android:inputType=number
android:digits=
does exactly what I need. I get the symbols soft keyboard and it is
free form input with the characters I specify in android:digits. It
isn't what I expected,
Hello,
I set up my Eclipse as it is described on
http://source.android.com/using-eclipse.
But how can I run the Email app on my device? An run as... on the
source folder miss the Android simulator. When I use the Email sources
to build a Android project, it miss a lot of dependencies.
Ralph
Allright, I'll give it a try, thanks
Simone
On 5 Apr, 08:43, ani anish198519851...@gmail.com wrote:
You can use audiomanager apis to do what you are trying to do...
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I figured this out. Just generate a random string (using Java UUID)
and save it in Settings. That's enough to distinguish each user :)
On Mar 27, 5:49 pm, Anna PS annapowellsm...@googlemail.com wrote:
Yes, I really wanted to avoid TelephonyManager because it has
particularly scary-looking
onCreate will be called whenever your activity is being run and the
system has no currently running instance of your app (say they run
your app yesterday and between then and now they run Browser, Gmail,
and a couple games--chances are the memory allocated to your app has
been freed so the games
On Mon, Apr 5, 2010 at 3:30 PM, Anna PS annapowellsm...@googlemail.com wrote:
I figured this out. Just generate a random string (using Java UUID)
and save it in Settings. That's enough to distinguish each user :)
Wouldn't re-installing the app change it though?
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didn't bother opening/using it since i was
hoping for a nexus one.
Hahahaha you are so spoiled! Want to mail me your Droid? ;-)
it seems that only droids have been sent out
so far..
I think they sent Nexus Ones to Europe and Droids to the States.
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I'm intending to release my application through the Android Market and
I want to make sure I can deploy new releases of the app and the users
will be able to be notified of these and upgrade to them as soon as
they can.
The Android documentation states that, appart from the
android:versionCode
Would onStart be a better place to do View manipulation than onResume?
What is the benefit of onStart over onResume in this context?
Thanks,
Nick
On Apr 5, 12:19 pm, Kumar Bibek coomar@gmail.com wrote:
Yup, onStart is a good option. :)
Thanks and Regards,
Kumar Bibek
On Apr 5, 11:56
First off, consider that Google Navigation Beta comes free on all
Android phones inside of the Maps app... And it's an exquisite
navigation program and is already integrated with the Car Mode app
thingie and all. Do you see yours being that much better that user's
will see a reason to switch from
There is a fair amount of sometimes conflicting information about
this. Here are some previous threads.
http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers/browse_thread/thread/cbc9d4cad48a7fb7/42aceb303e8b42f6?#42aceb303e8b42f6
It's only happened to me once, so I had to recreate the project only
once and it's not happened since.
On Mar 29, 3:17 pm, Pinheiro rui.c.pinhe...@gmail.com wrote:
I'm having the same problem and found the same solution but it's very,
very annoying.
It seems like some file has a date somewhere
Hi All
Is possible integrate remail with android app. or some similar
Thanks
David
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On Mon, Apr 5, 2010 at 3:44 PM, Eurig Jones eurigjo...@gmail.com wrote:
I'm intending to release my application through the Android Market and I
want to make sure I can deploy new releases of the app and the users will be
able to be notified of these and upgrade to them as soon as they can.
Indeed we are not able to push continuously to a server - both because
of network availability and also the power consumption is probably
much higher than saving it and sending in bulk.
I think we will indeed aim for the 3 level approach and try to put as
little as possilbe on the main memory
Hi,
have an application that is going to be shipping on devices with
varying font support in several different locales. Some of them will
have the standard Android fonts on them (supporting Latin, Cyrillic,
Chinese characters, etc.), and others will have extended font support
(Thai, Hindi,
Thanks for the response. I haven't meant to spam the group, I wasn't sure if
my post were posting.
Problem Activity: LightController
Service: ConnectionService
Object within Service: Connection
Basically all I am attempting to do is start the Service (from a Splash
Screen Activity) which will
I have been looking for WSDL and Axis1.x/2 tools in general for
mobile
devices and most people have discouraged me in doing so - practically
a lot of people still view the cell phone/mobile device as a client
and not
a server. I have been successful in deploying REST services on mobiles
as well
On Apr 5, 11:42 pm, ~ TreKing treking...@gmail.com wrote:
On Mon, Apr 5, 2010 at 3:44 PM, Eurig Jones eurigjo...@gmail.com wrote:
I'm intending to release my application through the Android Market and I
want to make sure I can deploy new releases of the app and the users will be
able to
And alas this is not to be. I ended up having to try this and it
fails.
The ExpandableListView considers a collapsed group to be empty (code
indicates for performance). This means the selector will always draw
the empty version of the indicator.
It may be possible by extending ELV and
Thanks!
Robert
On Apr 5, 11:38 am, Jiri jiriheitla...@googlemail.com wrote:
See this:
http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers/browse_thread/threa...
Jiri
On 05/04/2010 15:58, Mark Murphy wrote:
Is there and accepted way to send an email in the background?
You would need
Plus it also seems like some of the packages are missing from the SDK.
I downloaded the camera.git and loaded it into eclipse but it keeps
complaining about some of the packages not being resolved for eg.,
android.os.SystemProperties;
android.provider.DrmStore;
etc etc
How do I get around this?
Hi All
I need to read Email from Gmail. exist some APIs to receive Email
programmatically
Thanks
Davud
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Well,
Running the emulator manually with parameters -dns-server and -
verbose, I found out that the emulator complains it could not resolve
the DNS server specified (which is an IP for Google DNS, or any other
dns you want).
It says it´s going to use the default DNS but seems not to find any
Sorry i missed out on your question
No, i never did get it to work using multiple ? placeholders.
What i ended up doing is taking the parameters i was trying to use in
the selectionArgs String array and used string concatenation to
create one big query string. Then I passed that new string
On Mon, Apr 5, 2010 at 3:24 PM, Gabriel Simões gsim...@gmail.com wrote:
Well,
Running the emulator manually with parameters -dns-server and -
verbose, I found out that the emulator complains it could not resolve
the DNS server specified (which is an IP for Google DNS, or any other
dns you
Does anyone know how can I use this undocumented API in normal 2.1
release?
android.media.MediaRecorder.setParameters
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Supposedly droids/nexus one randomly in the states, but it seems more like
the majority of app devs got nexus ones and the majority of forum
contributors got droids.
(Mine sold, and is on it's way to a happy vzw user. Trying to decide if I
want the -much more expensive- nexus one, or save $30 and
Hi All,
I'm having trouble using the DDMS to playback a geo-location route
that I recorded using Google's My Tracks application. My Tracks is
able to save a route in two formats (GPX and KML) to my SD Card, which
I then save onto my development computer, and try to load into my
application on my
You should ALWAYS look outside the IDE for production builds. Any IDE.
Builds should always be automateable and as automated as possible.
Including managing revision control stategy. IDEs are simply not
designed for repeatability.
However, the main part of the process is vanilla ant script
I'm afraid you'll have to remove yourself from the list; we can't do
it for you. Go to the group website and unsubscribe yourself there.
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On Apr 5, 6:56 am, Shirley Mara www.shirley75@gmail.com wrote:
não quero receber mais essas
I think that you need to find out what your DNS servers are for your
ISP. There are instructions on the internet for Window, Mac and Unix
on how to do this.
On a windows machine, you run ipconfig /all and look for nameserver or
DNS lines and copy those IP addresses.
For example, my DNS servers
Actually, the package manager would be able to check using the API.
The only thing that was at question was whether the byte sequence
included anything beyond the certificate or not. We know the API
doesn't. Actually, what I'd like to know is whether it includes the
certificate, or just the public
What are the commands that Android Eclipse plugin send to device to
run JUnit tests? I need that to automated unit testing for my hourly
build machine (CruiseControl).
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As title,
g.getWidth()/getHeight()
return this value on the emulator with an avd
320x569
Is there someone who can help me understanding why please?
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This is because your app is running in compatibility mode.
See: http://developer.android.com/guide/practices/screens_support.html
Xav
On Mon, Apr 5, 2010 at 4:50 PM, sblantipodi
perini.dav...@dpsoftware.org wrote:
As title,
g.getWidth()/getHeight()
return this value on the emulator with an
DEBUG mode doesn't factor into it and gmaps doesn't care.
AFAIK if you are simply trying to change the map key so it works on
the emulator or the device, then this is a reasonable way to do it.
So, to reiterate, it *does not* matter if you are running in debug
mode or not. The emulator uses the
Hi,
Just do document it here (as suggested by evancharlton on freenode
#android-dev), so it's googlable:
On my Debian Lenny x86_64 machine, both the eclipse plugin and the
ddms standalone application were unable to connect to the adb daemon.
adb devices showed both the emulator and my milestone,
I think Android 1.5 has a bug where it does not call onDelete. If you
are running 1.5, you should implement something in your onReceive()
that is similar to this:
final String action = intent.getAction();
if
Hello,
This is my first post here. Hope i find some help :).
So I have an application which opens file with extentions .ttk (this
extention is an example). When i browse to my site and try to open
these files by clicking on links for them, the browser download fails
saying that the file type is
Hi,
I'm trying to recreate the UI screen called 'My Places' that is used
in the Weather Channel app. I'd attach a screenshot of it but I'm not
sure if I can when posting here. It seems they're using two listviews
one on top of the other, but I'm not sure for certain. Could anybody
confirm this
I'm having trouble getting AlphaAnimation to work. Can anyone explain
why the following patch to
com.example.android.apis.graphics.AnimateDrawables.java in the
provided samples does not produce an image that fades away?
--- AnimateDrawables.java.orig 2010-04-05 12:56:45.0 -0500
+++
I can see your message.
Best regards,
Martin
2010/4/4 Xiaobaobao xiao.baoba...@hotmail.com
Hi all,
when I try to post a new topic, I received a email saying that I am
treated as spam and my message is not able to delivered. And there is
a link to dreamhost.
I believe that is a spam email
Hello,
I'm running into the exact same issue you are, I need a way to figure
out when the user finishes moving the map around so I can fetch fresh
data from a XML source. This is really easy to do using the Maps API
for Javascript, but the Android Maps API doesn't have anything like
it.
I've
My company is developing a new device that will run on Android. I'm
tasked to develop the software installation process, including
application installations and updates as well as system software
updates. I want to leverage as much as possible from the Android
SDK. I'm looking for any advice or
Hi,
I would like to see the implementation of Android Development Tool
(ADT) plugin for Eclipse, but I cannot find the sources in the
repository. Time ago, they where under [/platform/development.git] /
tools/eclipse.
Could you help me to find them? :)
Regards.
Juan.
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I don't mean to hijack this thread, but how do you import
android.bluetooth.BluetoothDevice on 1.x?
On Apr 4, 12:35 pm, DulcetTone dulcett...@gmail.com wrote:
Ok... it's ugly. Indeed, this was one of the things I found difficult
to do in the same manner in Android 1.x and Android 2.x
I
I can see your post...
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Hi all,
when I try to post a new topic, I received a email saying that I am
treated as spam and my message is not able to delivered. And there is
a link to dreamhost.
I believe that is a spam email and if
As the title says, i am trying to use a custom view i have created and
initializing the size of it using the above xml code snippet located
inside my layout folder.:
com.Resources.Gui.ScrollingText android:id=@+id/rss
android:layout_height=wrap_content
I got the Droid last week and I am in the same boat that I don't want
to sign up with Verizon. I know I can use Droid over WiFi, but I can't
use it for testing actual phone related app functionality until I sign
up with Verizon. If anyone wants to trade their N1 with Droid, please
shoot me an
Hi, All:
I am working on a app which render geometrics with VBO in NDK opengl,
it works in other phone, but in Motola Droid, it will cause the
devices reboot
The logs like next, anyone can help me?
04-05 15:36:21.609: DEBUG/dalvikvm(1320): +++ not scanning '/system/
lib/libwebcore.so' for
On Mon, Apr 5, 2010 at 11:31 AM, HeHe cnm...@gmail.com wrote:
OR, i should not run a debug build on a real device and hope map api
works...
You seem to think that there is a difference between a debug build and
a release build, when there isn't.
The code itself is always the same, whether you
They moved to sdk.git with most of the developer tools.
http://android.git.kernel.org/?p=platform/sdk.git;a=tree;f=eclipse;h=4d71e8e58e172e46a95abf8acd0c67c1ed3f66d3;hb=master
xav
2010/4/5 Juan Gómez ati...@gmail.com:
Hi,
I would like to see the implementation of Android Development Tool
thanks!
I executed your advice.
I could get a event when mouse down. great!
but, I could not to get selected Item object.
getSelectedItem,getItemAtPosition,getSelectedItemId...
These returned Null, in onScrollStateChange,onScroll.
I think a little more.
thank you.
2010/4/5 dillirao malipeddi
It looks like you are trying to access the connection before the
onBind() method is called?
You should NOT be sleeping the thread. You should be returning, and
then picking up your work once onBind() is called.
You're actually blocking the service from running until you do return,
since it needs
You don't generally have to use your ISP's DNS servers, you can use
any DNS servers you want.
I use OpenDNS myself, and ignore Comcast's.
However, occasionally some firewall or other security software will
block DNS to other servers. So this is worth a try.
On Apr 5, 4:03 pm, Brion Emde
I am trying to create a menu that slides in when it is drawn. I
created an animation in res/anim called map_toolbar_in.xml:
?xml version=1.0 encoding=utf-8?
translate xmlns:android=http://schemas.android.com/apk/res/android;
android:fromYDelta=100%
android:toYDelta=0%
Here is my onCreate(), that works:
===
// Called at the start of the full lifetime.
@Override
public void onCreate(Bundle savedInstanceState) {
super.onCreate(savedInstanceState);
setContentView(R.layout.light_control);
//
I've searched through the postings and believe this is a unique case
where it is appropriate to ask for feedback. Take the following
example:
Program contains 3 activities : A, B, C
and one service: S
The launch of the activities is as follows:
B-C
S-A
Therefore activity B and C are part of a
In addendum, B-C and A will never run at the same time.
On Apr 5, 7:41 pm, mr.winky mr0wi...@gmail.com wrote:
I've searched through the postings and believe this is a unique case
where it is appropriate to ask for feedback. Take the following
example:
Program contains 3 activities : A, B, C
1. Here's my initial thoughts (but strike that, it won't be
sufficient)
Subclass MapView, and override onTouchEvent() as well as
onTrackballEvent().
The latter to cover cases where users use the trackball to manipulate
the MapView.
A MotionEvent is passed to these methods which allows the capture
Is it possible to send an HTML email with an inline image via the SDK?
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Bob, am I taking the wrong approach here? I'm hardly satisfied that it's
just working. I'd like to fully understand what's going on here.
Thanks,
J
On Mon, Apr 5, 2010 at 8:32 PM, Jason LeBlanc jasonalebl...@gmail.comwrote:
Here is my onCreate(), that works:
===
Hmm I wonder if this is at all related to the problems I'm having with
GL lockups on the Droid at the moment. I see a resize in there, are
you flipping orientations?
On Apr 5, 6:18 pm, Louis yanglfya...@gmail.com wrote:
Hi, All:
I am working on a app which render geometrics with VBO in NDK
What´s up Bob? hehehehe
Well, adding -dns-server (my actual dns) on Eclipse doesn´t solve the
problem: I still get no network connection when I open the browser.
Using the same machine and the same network connection, everything
works great on linux. Unfortunately linux is not my main OS, hehehe.
I used to be a C/C++ programmer before getting in to android. I am not
sure how people maintain 2 versions of a program without using #ifdef
preprocessor macros. Right now I am changing the package name in
eclipse and changing the code manually, but this seems really
inefficient. Can anybody
Relating working on Google Nexus One (v 1.0.2)
Any other reports?
Also, is the UI syncronizing with the sound click well?
Thanks for your time and patience.
On 5 abr, 10:55, Gabriel Simões gsim...@gmail.com wrote:
Also, the compile once run everywhere mantra is known for itś
incompatibilities
Working on Google Nexus One (v 1.0.2) (Thanks for the feedback Bob)
Any other reports?
Also, are the UI changes (click count) syncronized with the sound
click well?
Thanks for your time and patience.
On 5 abr, 10:55, Gabriel Simões gsim...@gmail.com wrote:
Also, the compile once run
Hi
Could someone please give me a good link that teaches how to use list
view in android.
Basically I have an array with names of people which I wanna display
on the screen. The user can click and select multiple names, the
selections are to be noted down for further processing.
I googled and
Hi,
Is there anyone who can let me know whats the issue with the code
above?
Thanks Regards
Sunil
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No Yahel,,even putting splash screen code in onStart() doesnt solve the
problem.
I guess only onResume() is triggered everytime activity shown.But that is
not
right place to display splash screen.
Thanks
Kavitha
On Tue, Apr 6, 2010 at 2:15 AM, patbenatar patbena...@gmail.com wrote:
Would
Hi KK,
Can you please tell me how to decode mp3 to wav ? working with libmad
but not able to fix it.
Thanks and Regards,
Kamal
On Apr 5, 3:00 pm, KK krishnakumar.ramachand...@gmail.com wrote:
I am trying to write a streaming application. I have my own decoder
and I am playing PCM audio using
Hi Kavitha,
Did you got any decoder information ?I am also looking similar
one.Can you please share with me.
Kamal
On Apr 5, 3:06 pm, kavitha kavith...@gmail.com wrote:
could you please tell how to decode audio?
On Mon, Apr 5, 2010 at 3:30 PM, KK krishnakumar.ramachand...@gmail.comwrote:
I want fours spinners in my code so that any number I want to import in any
of the spinner should be properly done, will the same code be of any help.
Thanks in advance
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Hi Any one has any idea ?
Kamal
On Apr 5, 12:27 pm, Kamal Hasan kamal.hasa...@gmail.com wrote:
Hi,
Our application needs streaming of audio files.I have done with
streaming of mp3 files by calling the native player and passing the
url to it. Whereas the default player is not able to play the
I haven't had any issues upgrading my app through the market. In fact
I haven't had any issues at all. Once your app is on the market,
you'll have an option to upgrade it. When you do upload your upgrade,
anyone who has your app installed will get a notification
automatically. If they go to
1. Extend the Activity class
2. Put 4 spinners in the layout file.
3. Initialize them in the onCreate method
Do whatever you want after that. I am still not sure what you want.
Thanks and Regards,
Kumar Bibek.
On Apr 6, 10:06 am, nubh bhargava nubh.bharg...@gmail.com wrote:
I want fours
Thanks for suggesting Activity class again, the code worked. But let me
check it with spinners. I heard 'Myths' regarding the use of multiple
spinners, but the code or the list I need to invoke in them is much similar
so need suggestions.
Thanks Regards
NUBH
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There are few problems that are coming right now, the emulator shows these
messages dont know for which reasons
[2010-04-06 11:10:00 - HelloSpinner] ActivityManager: [1] Killed am start -D
-n c...
[2010-04-06 11:10:21 - HelloSpinner] Attempting to connect debugger to
'com.example.HelloSpinner'
Hey Androiders!
I'm running into a strange intermittent issue with my app.. Basically
every time the app resumes I check if its internal data [fetched from
a Web API] is outdated and if it is I push off to my Splash/Loader
activity while I fetch new data. This works great ALMOST all the
time...
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