Re: [android-developers] Re: Block Switch App

On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 1:58 PM, esavard wrote: > Hey, don't feed the trolls... Hey, don't think everyone who disagrees with you is a troll. -- Greg Donald http://destiney.com/ -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Android Developers" group. To post to

[android-developers] Re: Block Switch App

Hey, don't feed the trolls... On 10 déc, 17:25, Greg Donald wrote: > On Thu, Dec 10, 2009 at 4:16 PM, TreKing wrote: > > Did you even read Dianne's earlier post? She covered ALL of this ... > > Code was implemented to prevent users from making an alternate lock > app.  It wasn't some sort of acc

[android-developers] Re: Block Switch App

So what is needed to do this the right way is an addition to the platform that makes the lock screen UI customizable, but that doesn't interfere with the functionality otherwise. Like app widgets, but for the lock screen. Maybe a step more complex so that the widgets can trigger an unlock when man

[android-developers] Re: Block Switch App

I must say that I have really enjoyed reading this thread to see how both sides view this issue so passionately. As I've grown in my study and understanding of the Android platform, many of these issues HAVE frustrated the hell out of me, but I've come to just accept them. > And as far as the loc

[android-developers] Re: Block Switch App

Bottom line is that some believe and trust Google's and its engineers' motivations more than others. Not recognizing that their motivations are different (not good, not evil) from those of the community at large is ignoring and not understanding human nature. You do this at your own peril. Alex Do

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Not only is the source there, but it's pretty liberally licensed. I'm a fan of the Apache License now. On Dec 10, 12:57 pm, Jason Proctor wrote: > (btw, i have no connection with Google and IMHO Android is great but > in no way perfect. but claiming that it's not open when the source is > right

Re: [android-developers] Re: Block Switch App

"Code was implemented to prevent users from making an alternate lock app. It wasn't some sort of accident." OK, so then, no, you did not read what Dianne posted. Try that first. "Drink the koolaid, pretend Android is open source if you want." Open Source

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I see no one actually understands Dianne's post. It currently is not possible to abstract a metric $h!+ tonne of low level code from the current implementation.Like it has been said many times, If you want to do it go for it! Its there for you to mess with but don't try to get me to put it

Re: [android-developers] Re: Block Switch App

On Thu, Dec 10, 2009 at 4:16 PM, TreKing wrote: > Did you even read Dianne's earlier post? She covered ALL of this ... Code was implemented to prevent users from making an alternate lock app. It wasn't some sort of accident. Drink the koolaid, pretend Android is open source if you want. -- G

Re: [android-developers] Re: Block Switch App

Did you even read Dianne's earlier post? She covered ALL of this ... - TreKing - Chicago transit tracking app for Android-powered devices http://sites.google.com/site/rezmobileapps/treking On Thu, Dec

Re: [android-developers] Re: Block Switch App

>On Thu, Dec 10, 2009 at 3:52 PM, Jason Proctor > wrote: >> Android is not closed because Google see fit to close security holes >> in their distro. > >Not allowing some components to be swapped out is not in the true >spirit of open source. > >Claiming it to be a security hole is hypocrisy. The

Re: [android-developers] Re: Block Switch App

On Thu, Dec 10, 2009 at 3:52 PM, Jason Proctor wrote: > Android is not closed because Google see fit to close security holes > in their distro. Not allowing some components to be swapped out is not in the true spirit of open source. Claiming it to be a security hole is hypocrisy. The current lo

Re: [android-developers] Re: Block Switch App

Android is not closed because you don't feel like you have the resources to create your own distro and make it available. Android is not closed because Google see fit to close security holes in their distro. Android is not closed because Google didn't include your desired feature in their dist

Re: [android-developers] Re: Block Switch App

"Not allowing someone to change out the lock app is a choice Google made, it's not an exploit." Exactly ... therefore any app that is able to get around this restriction is exploiting a bug which is expected to be fixed it so that this cannot happen - as designed.

Re: [android-developers] Re: Block Switch App

On Thu, Dec 10, 2009 at 3:33 PM, TreKing wrote: > I think that's in the spirit of fixing exploits that were not supposed to > have been there in the first place. Not allowing someone to change out the lock app is a choice Google made, it's not an exploit. -- Greg Donald http://destiney.com/ -

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"No, it's more like "you can't do that and if you find a way I'll break your code". http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers/msg/4dfceeda40b4950c?hl=en That's not in the spirit of open source." I think that's in the spirit of fixing exploits that were *not supposed to have been there in

Re: [android-developers] Re: Block Switch App

On Thu, Dec 10, 2009 at 3:10 PM, jotobjects wrote: > When developers ask if this or that feature is available and the > Google support team says "you can't do that" they are just giving you No, it's more like "you can't do that and if you find a way I'll break your code". http://groups.google.co

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Hello Jason, I would be glad to. Let me give you a simple example that does not quite fit but should give you an approximate idea of what I mean. Gold mining is an "open" activity. Anyone can go and look for gold. An entire mythology has grown reinforcing the dream that ANYONE can go and get rich

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Preach it brother jotobjects =) - TreKing - Chicago transit tracking app for Android-powered devices http://sites.google.com/site/rezmobileapps/treking On Thu, Dec 10, 2009 at 3:10 PM, jotobjects wro

[android-developers] Re: Block Switch App

When developers ask if this or that feature is available and the Google support team says "you can't do that" they are just giving you useful information about what works and what doesn't work. Maybe they could be more sensitive and say "gee that's an interesting (dumb) idea and maybe someday we w

[android-developers] Re: Block Switch App

Nobody is stopping you from downloading the Android source, modifying it, and installing it on your own hardware. If you want to use hardware that has multiple party interest, ie carrier, hardware manufacturer, and integrated services (Google) then why are you so surprised they enforce their inter

Re: [android-developers] Re: Block Switch App

On Thu, Dec 10, 2009 at 2:57 PM, Jason Proctor wrote: > well people *have* created their own distributions, so why don't you > go ahead and tell me why it's disingenuous to claim that it's > possible? You assume a high level of resources that do not exist for most people. -- Greg Donald http:/

Re: [android-developers] Re: Block Switch App

On Thu, Dec 10, 2009 at 2:45 PM, alexdonnini wrote: > Dianne, > > You are a smart person, and should recognize that what you state as > being a fact, and inherently right is, in fact, simply your (Google's) > opinion and position and, unlike most of us, you are in the position > to enforce that op

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>Claiming, as some do, that Android is open and anyone can go and >implement his/her own distribution is somewhat disingenuous. I will >let you figure out why it is. well people *have* created their own distributions, so why don't you go ahead and tell me why it's disingenuous to claim that it's

[android-developers] Re: Block Switch App

Dianne, You are a smart person, and should recognize that what you state as being a fact, and inherently right is, in fact, simply your (Google's) opinion and position and, unlike most of us, you are in the position to enforce that opinion and position. While it is true that since Google invested

Re: [android-developers] Re: Block Switch App

Taking over the home key will not be done with a permission, period. This is way you get to take over the home key: by having an intent-filter saying you can be home, and letting the user explicitly select your app at the point where they press home. The home key is too central to the user's secu

[android-developers] Re: Block Switch App

I actually wrote my own scheduler variant once. It's frustrating how disk hungry background tasks can hose the responsiveness on most systems and easy to fix if you're willing to pass in more information from userland. There's ionice nowadays, though. Normal users do install third party anti-virus

[android-developers] Re: Block Switch App

Allowing apps like this, but requiring a permission seems like it would support the most users. Users who want a fancy toddler lock or screensaver or different unlock screen or whatever could then use those apps and would just have to agree to an extra permission when installing. Users who don't