[android-developers] Re: Google should prohibit task killers on Android Market

2010-05-07 Thread Bob Kerns
While I agree that consuming a bunch of memory has an impact -- it means apps have to be killed and restarted more often, for example -- there's no connection to GC. GC is something that happens entirely within your own process, and is not affected by memory usage by other processes. Allocating a

[android-developers] Re: Google should prohibit task killers on Android Market

2010-05-07 Thread Bob Kerns
The battery power frob is great! But I think it may already be good enough to serve for this purpose. The apps that are consuming the most battery power, and the apps that are consuming the most CPU, are typically the same set. I'm not arguing against your suggestion -- even if they were always

[android-developers] Re: Google should prohibit task killers on Android Market

2010-05-04 Thread mort
Example: suchandsuchappcrond_service.. CROND service? This is what the alarm manager is for, doing a repeated task every so often. If you are consuming memory being in the background all the time, when you could simply invoke the alarm_manager to wake you every so often, that is much better

[android-developers] Re: Google should prohibit task killers on Android Market

2010-05-04 Thread mort
Yep the problem is largely associated with services and not just random processes running.  That is why the running services UI was introduced. Trouble with that is, it doesn't show the *running* services but the *started* services. Esp. services written for 1.x might just linger around to do

[android-developers] Re: Google should prohibit task killers on Android Market

2010-05-04 Thread Tomáš Hubálek
On 4 kvě, 01:06, Eric F ericfrie...@gmail.com wrote: The solution here is a change in attitude. I don't use a task killer on my phone, never have. And my phone sports good performance for weeks on end. Agree. I have task killer but use it really rarely. Obviously the solution isn't to

[android-developers] Re: Google should prohibit task killers on Android Market

2010-05-04 Thread Tomáš Hubálek
Dianne, thanks for answers. In fact one of the problems with the API that the task killers have been abusing is that it was there for the force stop button in the UI.  This is not for killing processes.  This is for making everything about the app stop: not just its processes and services,

[android-developers] Re: Google should prohibit task killers on Android Market

2010-05-04 Thread Eric F
On May 3, 11:59 pm, mort m...@sto-helit.de wrote: And what's wrong with resource consuming? I coud cache several MB of data in a non-running service, it wouldn't matter. Android would just kick it if the memory's required, and the service would just reload the data when it's restarted. It's

[android-developers] Re: Google should prohibit task killers on Android Market

2010-05-04 Thread Tomáš Hubálek
I think that cure can be the same approach as when battery is out of power. There is button Why? and it shows major consumers of the power. I think that Google could include in Android also some tool that shows major CPU Memory eaters. Users after this info will decide whether they want such a

[android-developers] Re: Google should prohibit task killers on Android Market

2010-05-03 Thread nexbug
Too extreme :-) On Apr 30, 1:56 am, Tomáš Hubálek tom.huba...@gmail.com wrote: Hello, I'm on developer of Digital World Clock Widget (http://www.appbrain.com/app/net.hubalek.android.worldclock). I'm receiving a few emails per week with complain that my widget stopped working. In all

[android-developers] Re: Google should prohibit task killers on Android Market

2010-05-03 Thread gcstang
Way too extreme, without the Task Killers battery life on most phones would be horrible and the speed even on some phones such as the Droid would slow down too much waiting for background tasks to die on their own. Although I understand your frustration there has to be a better resolution for now

Re: [android-developers] Re: Google should prohibit task killers on Android Market

2010-05-03 Thread Greg Donald
On Mon, May 3, 2010 at 1:59 PM, gcstang gcst...@gmail.com wrote: Way too extreme, without the Task Killers battery life on most phones would be horrible and the speed even on some phones such as the Droid would slow down too much waiting for background tasks to die on their own. Not to

[android-developers] Re: Google should prohibit task killers on Android Market

2010-05-03 Thread Robert Green
Task killers are the only way I can get a mostly lag-free experience playing games. It's surprising how loaded up with services a phone gets when you install even a moderate amount of useful tools. You can see an obvious difference even on a nexus one when you cut out some of the tasks you don't

[android-developers] Re: Google should prohibit task killers on Android Market

2010-05-03 Thread Albert
As far as I know most task killer apps will kill processes only if you tap on the process itself, so your users are probably killing the process of your widget to then wonder why it has stopped working... -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android

[android-developers] Re: Google should prohibit task killers on Android Market

2010-05-03 Thread Eric F
The solution here is a change in attitude. I don't use a task killer on my phone, never have. And my phone sports good performance for weeks on end. I do, however, frequently visit manage applications - running services. And I also uninstall apps that run services that probably shouldn't be.

Re: [android-developers] Re: Google should prohibit task killers on Android Market

2010-05-03 Thread Dianne Hackborn
Yep the problem is largely associated with services and not just random processes running. That is why the running services UI was introduced. Not only does it let you see exactly what is doing this (and deal with it), but it is also the first step in making developers more accountable for (and