Re: [android-developers] Re: Nexus 2.1 one sale, WHERE is the SDK!

2010-01-10 Thread Kent Loobey
On Sunday 10 January 2010 17:32:22 nexbug wrote:
 Users reporting that the notification lights are not working as on
 earlier devices(let alone LED color customization). Have been chasing
 around trying to figure this out until i realized none of the apps are
 showing the flashing notification which we have all come to expect on
 the device. Not even SMS messages.
 
 I am sure the dog-fooders used the phone long enough to notice that
 the typical flashing notification light on top never seems to light up
 for notifications. Maybe its only to indicate charging..
 
 While the pulsing trackball is nice, it is not as noticeable, and its
 colors cannot be manipulated.
 
 (of course unless i am missing something very obvious)

http://www.google.com/support/android/bin/static.py?page=guide.csguide=27201topic=27212answer=168442#1074245

 -g
 
 On Jan 10, 8:18 am, vorcigernix vorciger...@gmail.com wrote:
  Whole idea of having google superphone and write some main parts of
  OS as closed source bits for that device is flawed from beginning.
  On other hand, if your code works on 2.01, then it should work on
  nexus (except that hw related things). I am missing some big notice on
  developers page month before, saying : There will be phone with major
  market penetration, which uses 2.01; fix your apps guys
 
  And..android was never a real opensource system. Google is kind to let
  us access parts main parts of OS, that's it.
 
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Re: [android-developers] Re: Nexus 2.1 one sale, WHERE is the SDK!

2010-01-06 Thread David Sauter
On Tue, Jan 5, 2010 at 3:12 PM, Dianne Hackborn hack...@android.com wrote:
 While I will not argue that we need to be better about getting SDKs out
 earlier, for developers the changes in 2.1 are really not that significant.

Does it raise the hard coded heap limit?

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Re: [android-developers] Re: Nexus 2.1 one sale, WHERE is the SDK!

2010-01-06 Thread David Sauter
 Reading the numerous N1 reviews over the last day, one recurring theme
 is (now that there's finally Android hardware to equal the iPhone) the
 app catalog is the major drawback to the platform. IOW, pissing off
 developers is the last thing Google should be doing right now.

Amusingly enough it's the defenses that Android has because it can
multitask that are killing high end development for it.  16MB heap
renders the phone just about useless for the high end stuff.

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Re: [android-developers] Re: Nexus 2.1 one sale, WHERE is the SDK!

2010-01-05 Thread Wayne Wenthin
This is true.  But the phones are being overnighted to people starting
today.  They have been Dogfooding it for a few weeks.   Why are the
Developers the last to see it?If this breaks apps, which it is certain
to do, they are just further infuriating the Developers that are trying to
make this a great platform.   If they continue I may just break down and buy
a Mac.   At least with Apple you know where you stand... Generally under the
foot of Jobs but at least you know it.

On Tue, Jan 5, 2010 at 1:31 PM, MrChaz mrchazmob...@googlemail.com wrote:

 From the QA

 Jason Chen:
 Q: Why was it necessary for Google to design the phone? Why couldn’t
 it just be an HTC phone running the new flavor of Android? And will
 these new features becoming to Droid?
 A: It’s inaccurate to say Google designed the phone (points to HTC
 CEO). [Google] is just merchandising it online. Everybody will get 2.1
 when it’s open source, within a couple of days

 To me that implies the SDK will be coming in a couple of days.

 On Jan 5, 8:10 pm, pcm2a reeeye...@gmail.com wrote:
  These phones are on sale with 2.1 Os on them right now.  My friend
  just ordered two with overnight shipping.
 
  How is it even remotely acceptable that people will have 2.1 in their
  hands before developers even get to touch the SDK?  I already have
  users using the Nexis-Droid 2.1 rom saying that my highly used widget
  doesn't work.  How am I supposed to test this out in advance without
  hacking our phone all up?
 
  All this does is frustrate users when apps don't work and further
  degrades the market with 1 stars because developers don't have a
  chance to update their code.
 
  Thanks google

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Re: [android-developers] Re: Nexus 2.1 one sale, WHERE is the SDK!

2010-01-05 Thread Dianne Hackborn
On Tue, Jan 5, 2010 at 1:56 PM, Wayne Wenthin wa...@fuligin.com wrote:

 This is true.  But the phones are being overnighted to people starting
 today.  They have been Dogfooding it for a few weeks.   Why are the
 Developers the last to see it?If this breaks apps, which it is certain
 to do, they are just further infuriating the Developers that are trying to
 make this a great platform.   If they continue I may just break down and buy
 a Mac.   At least with Apple you know where you stand... Generally under the
 foot of Jobs but at least you know it.


While I will not argue that we need to be better about getting SDKs out
earlier, for developers the changes in 2.1 are really not that significant.
 Pretty much all of the stuff (little that it was) that could impact
existing applications is already in 2.0.1.  2.1 adds some new APIs for
things like Live Wallpapers, but a little delay in being able to use those
won't harm anyone.

If it helps, 2.0.1 is actually a branch off of the 2.1 development with
various fixes from 2.0 that we desired for a maintenance release for Droid,
and the new APIs hidden because they weren't quite ready to be supported
yet.  Almost all of the work from 2.0.1 to 2.1 was related to new features
appearing on Nexus One.

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Re: [android-developers] Re: Nexus 2.1 one sale, WHERE is the SDK!

2010-01-05 Thread Jonas Petersson

Wayne Wenthin wrote:
[...]  If they continue I may just 
break down and buy a Mac.   At least with Apple you know where you 
stand... Generally under the foot of Jobs but at least you know it.


Heh, I already have a pretty decent MacBookPro and all I can say is that 
I much prefer running Linux on it and develop Android apps in a pretty 
open environment. Sure, there are things that could could work better 
and some things that I might prioritize differently, but it's complex 
stuff and it keeps evolving at a fast pace without breaking much backwards.


If you are into optimizing your short term money, going iPhone may be 
your better choice (or not), but to me Android is more right.


My 0.20 SEK, YMMV / Jonas
(Winner, Swedish Android Dev Competition 2009)
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Re: [android-developers] Re: Nexus 2.1 one sale, WHERE is the SDK!

2010-01-05 Thread Wayne Wenthin
Yeah Mr. Jobs would never let my app exist.   It would be too controversial.


On Tue, Jan 5, 2010 at 2:16 PM, Jonas Petersson jonas.peters...@xms.sewrote:

 Wayne Wenthin wrote:

 [...]  If they continue I may just break down and buy a Mac.   At least
 with Apple you know where you stand... Generally under the foot of Jobs but
 at least you know it.


 Heh, I already have a pretty decent MacBookPro and all I can say is that I
 much prefer running Linux on it and develop Android apps in a pretty open
 environment. Sure, there are things that could could work better and some
 things that I might prioritize differently, but it's complex stuff and it
 keeps evolving at a fast pace without breaking much backwards.

 If you are into optimizing your short term money, going iPhone may be your
 better choice (or not), but to me Android is more right.

My 0.20 SEK, YMMV / Jonas
(Winner, Swedish Android Dev Competition 2009)

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